[Harry Rex Vonner]

While Kardashian continues to garner the endorsements of the entertainment industry's legions of minks, oddballs, and amoral reprobates, Billy Graham has endorsed Romney. In a statement Rev. Graham has stated that Christians must vote for a candidate who respects and defends the value of all human life and the sanctity or marriage as being between one man and one woman.

He didn't specifically name Romney but the message was crystal clear.

I am continually amazed by the "holier than thou" group who claim to sit at "the right hand of the Father" but vote for those who mock undisputable and absolute Christian tenets. One would be correct in referring to such people as hypocrites.

[TheRealVille]

While Kardashian continues to garner the endorsements of the entertainment industry's legions of minks, oddballs, and amoral reprobates, Billy Graham has endorsed Romney. In a statement Rev. Graham has stated that Christians must vote for a candidate who respects and defends the value of all human life and the sanctity or marriage as being between one man and one woman.

He didn't specifically name Romney but the message was crystal clear.

I am continually amazed by the "holier than thou" group who claim to sit at "the right hand of the Father" but vote for those who mock undisputable and absolute Christian tenets. One would be correct in referring to such people as hypocrites.

Instead of Billy Graham, maybe Romney should flip flop over to worry about the issue 39% of women in the 12 swing states say to be a major voting issue for them. Billy might help Romney gain a few votes in the Bible Belt, of which he already "owns".
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158069/women-...ities.aspx

[tvtimeout]

While Kardashian continues to garner the endorsements of the entertainment industry's legions of minks, oddballs, and amoral reprobates, Billy Graham has endorsed Romney. In a statement Rev. Graham has stated that Christians must vote for a candidate who respects and defends the value of all human life and the sanctity or marriage as being between one man and one woman.
He didn't specifically name Romney but the message was crystal clear.

I am continually amazed by the "holier than thou" group who claim to sit at "the right hand of the Father" but vote for those who mock undisputable and absolute Christian tenets. One would be correct in referring to such people as hypocrites.

I would disagree with Mr. Graham on this issue: Marriage to me is between God, my wife, and me.

I am all for civil unions. I think we should seperate marriage and unions, unions deal with all the civic responsiblities the couples currently have, and marriage is seperate where it includes God.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I would disagree with Mr. Graham on this issue: Marriage to me is between God, my wife, and me.

I am all for civil unions. I think we should seperate marriage and unions, unions deal with all the civic responsiblities the couples currently have, and marriage is seperate where it includes God.

Well, now, your opinion would indicate that God is either not a part of your consideration or that He has very little influence on your outcome.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Instead of Billy Graham, maybe Romney should flip flop over to worry about the issue 39% of women in the 12 swing states say to be a major voting issue for them. Billy might help Romney gain a few votes in the Bible Belt, of which he already "owns".
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158069/women-...ities.aspx

Did you ever consider the fact that of the alleged 39% who consider abortion their main issue, a large number of them are anti-abortion? Many, many women will never vote for anyone who supports the premeditated killing of our most innocent. They find it unconscionable that women willingly kill their own flesh and blood. The 39% you like to claim as your own includes a large percentage who oppose your theme.

Your spin as usual, doesn't pass the truth test.

And, I would hope that more voters are influenced by Rev. Graham than by the mental pygmies, Eva Longoria and Ashley Judd. Of course, you do have your groupie dullards.

[LWC]

I agree, of that 39% stating that abortion is the biggest issue of the election, some of those will be women who are against it. I would not say it is most of the 39% but a portion at least.

[Bob Seger]

Did you ever consider the fact that of the alleged 39% who consider abortion their main issue, a large number of them are anti-abortion? Many, many women will never vote for anyone who supports the premeditated killing of our most innocent. They find it unconscionable that women willingly kill their own flesh and blood. The 39% you like to claim as your own includes a large percentage who oppose your theme.

Your spin as usual, doesn't pass the truth test.

And, I would hope that more voters are influenced by Rev. Graham than by the mental pygmies, Eva Longoria and Ashley Judd. Of course, you do have your groupie dullards.

As well as all the "cell phone mommas" who dont have a clue as to what's going on to begin with.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I agree, of that 39% stating that abortion is the biggest issue of the election, some of those will be women who are against it. I would not say it is most of the 39% but a portion at least.

Indeed. A very large portion.

[Bob Seger]

I agree, of that 39% stating that abortion is the biggest issue of the election, some of those will be women who are against it. I would not say it is most of the 39% but a portion at least.

Agreed. Saying that it is the biggest issue for them , in no way means they advocate baby killing, mearly that it is an important issue. In essence it could mean, if this candidate if for it, it means "I'm not voting for that guy".

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Well, now, your opinion would indicate that God is either not a part of your consideration or that He has very little influence on your outcome.

How?

God has everything to do with my choices that I make. I believe that is the key word though choice, you must give people the choice, and still love them even if they choose wrongly.

I believe that the U.S. was founded on the freedom of choice...especially when it comes to ideas of moral behavior.

I take a look at the morman position on marriage, a man can be married to more than one woman...kinda flies in the face of the idea of one man one woman idea doesn't it? However, I support the morman in his choice... it is a religious practice to him.

[Bob Seger]

I would disagree with Mr. Graham on this issue: Marriage to me is between God, my wife, and me.

I am all for civil unions. I think we should seperate marriage and unions, unions deal with all the civic responsiblities the couples currently have, and marriage is seperate where it includes God.

Yep, your a "demon"crat all right. And a proud one at that. Yet, I see nothing to be proud about. I can honestly say, you are repulsive in the eyes of God. You also fail to obey the scriptures, and to me are basicly a hypocrite if you advocate otherwise. Not being judgemnetal, but I read where one is known by their fruit that they bare. You just bared yours. In short a "proud hypocrite" is what I am seeing.

[Bob Seger]

How?

God has everything to do with my choices that I make. I believe that is the key word though choice, you must give people the choice, and still love them even if they choose wrongly.
I believe that the U.S. was founded on the freedom of choice...especially when it comes to ideas of moral behavior.

I take a look at the morman position on marriage, a man can be married to more than one woman...kinda flies in the face of the idea of one man one woman idea doesn't it?

Yeah, you are given choice and you can pay a harsh eternal price for making the wrong one. Obedience my friend, it's all about obedience. That's what your supposed to tell people, not screw up if you want to. You apparently are of member in good standing at the "Church of Waz Happenin Now".

[tvtimeout]

Yeah, you are given choice and you can pay a harsh eternal price for making the wrong one. Obedience my friend, it's all about obedience. That's what your supposed to tell people, not screw up if you want to. You apparently are of member in good standing at the "Church of Waz Happenin Now".

I am a member of loving my neighbor, helping the poor, not being judgemental, listening to my fellow man, and praying for them, church. Understanding that all men and women fail and that Christ died for my sins. Oh and yes I will sin again, it is part of my humanity, what can I say I am not perfect as some on here, and since I am not I will not caste the first stone.

[Bob Seger]

I am a member of loving my neighbor, helping the poor, not being judgemental, listening to my fellow man, and praying for them, church. Understanding that all men and women fail and that Christ died for my sins. Oh and yes I will sin again, it is part of my humanity, what can I say I am not perfect as some on here, and since I am not I will not caste the first stone.

So in other words, you just make your own rules up as you go.


As I said, the Bible says you are know by the fruit that you bare, and your fruit has all the apperances of having rotted on the vine. Personally I would respect you more if you were an acknowledged theif or murderer. At least there is a consistancy and honesty in that. You are a proven hypocrite that has zero convictions.

[tvtimeout]

So in other words, you just make your own rules up as you go.


As I said, the Bible says you are know by the fruit that you bare, and your fruit has all the apperances of having rotted on the vine. Personally I would respect you more if you were an acknowledged theif or murderer. At least there is a consistancy and honesty in that. You are a proven hypocrite that has zero convictions.

I respectfully disagree

[Bob Seger]

I respectfully disagree

So, you disagree with one is know by the fruits they bare, and that you are in direct opposition to the teachings of the Bible?

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I am sorry that my post was confussing... I respectfully disagree that I make up my own rules as I go.

I also need a point of clarification: are you saying that if you are for someone that opposses one of your views on bible and you vote for them, is that person a hyprocrite?

[TheRealVille]

Did you ever consider the fact that of the alleged 39% who consider abortion their main issue, a large number of them are anti-abortion? Many, many women will never vote for anyone who supports the premeditated killing of our most innocent. They find it unconscionable that women willingly kill their own flesh and blood. The 39% you like to claim as your own includes a large percentage who oppose your theme.

Your spin as usual, doesn't pass the truth test.

And, I would hope that more voters are influenced by Rev. Graham than by the mental pygmies, Eva Longoria and Ashley Judd. Of course, you do have your groupie dullards.

How do you explain that the biggest percentage of women are for Obama then? Obama leads Romney by a pretty big margin with women, and on women's issues, so that leads me to believe that a big percentage of that 39% are pro-choice, or Romney would be leading when it comes to women and women issues. We know Obama is pro-choice.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

How?

God has everything to do with my choices that I make. I believe that is the key word though choice, you must give people the choice, and still love them even if they choose wrongly.

I believe that the U.S. was founded on the freedom of choice...especially when it comes to ideas of moral behavior.

I take a look at the morman position on marriage, a man can be married to more than one woman...kinda flies in the face of the idea of one man one woman idea doesn't it? However, I support the morman in his choice... it is a religious practice to him.

Are you also familiar with the Islamic position on women?

[TheRealThing]

How do you explain that the biggest percentage of women are for Obama then? Obama leads Romney by a pretty big margin with women, and on women's issues, so that leads me to believe that a big percentage of that 39% are pro-choice, or Romney would be leading when it comes to women and women issues. We know Obama is pro-choice.

Really? I'm having a little trouble confirming that. "In every poll, we've seen a major surge among women in favorability for Romney," Democratic pollster Celinda Lake told the paper about the race after the first presidential debate. "Women went into the debate actively disliking Romney, and they came out thinking he might understand their lives and might be able to get something done for them."

In the Gallup poll Romney gets a 54 percent majority of men, while Obama takes 42 percent. The two candidates split women evenly, both earning 48 percent."
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/en...point-edge

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I am sorry that my post was confussing... I respectfully disagree that I make up my own rules as I go.

I also need a point of clarification: are you saying that if you are for someone that opposses one of your views on bible and you vote for them, is that person a hyprocrite?

In the strictest use of the term, yes. I know a lot of people who say they are both a Democrat and a Christian and that both are of equal importance. It is not my job to judge them but I would submit that they are incorrect.

[Bob Seger]

I am sorry that my post was confussing... I respectfully disagree that I make up my own rules as I go.

I also need a point of clarification: are you saying that if you are for someone that opposses one of your views on bible and you vote for them, is that person a hyprocrite?

Dont make them up as you go? I'd like to know what you call it then?

Politics is not even a point in this phase of the conversation at this time. I was talking about your declaration of support for things that are in direct opposition to scripture.

Actually TV time, I feel have have done my part. I have told you truth, and it is your choice to defy or obey the word, and you alone are personally subject to whatever judgement is determined. I am not going to sit here and argue with an intellectual bump on a log. Based on the history of everything else you post and the ensueing discussions that follow, we would all be better served to place you on our ignore lists. You're one far out there cat. You dont even have to respond to this post. Actually I would prefer you didn't. I really dont have the desire to go round and round in your meaningless circles.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

How do you explain that the biggest percentage of women are for Obama then? Obama leads Romney by a pretty big margin with women, and on women's issues, so that leads me to believe that a big percentage of that 39% are pro-choice, or Romney would be leading when it comes to women and women issues. We know Obama is pro-choice.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that a majority of the women who list abortion as the top issue are pro-abortion. However, it is not remotely near the 39% that you wanted us to believe. If we apply the percentages dealing with women voters as shown in the polls, it would be more like 23% at the most.

And, since most vote with additional issues in mind, it is safe to assume that not all would vote for Kardashian merely because he wants them to have a blank government check to bankroll them as they kill their own flesh and blood.

[TheRealThing]

I am a member of loving my neighbor, helping the poor, not being judgemental, listening to my fellow man, and praying for them, church. Understanding that all men and women fail and that Christ died for my sins. Oh and yes I will sin again, it is part of my humanity, what can I say I am not perfect as some on here, and since I am not I will not caste the first stone.

:hilarious: You just contradicted yourself three times in the same post. First you say you are not judgemental, then you wax judgemental accusing 'some on here' of either, being perfect or thinking their perfect? And then, you put yourself up on a pedestal, saying you are better than to cast the first stone, which of course, you already cast when made that unfavorable comparison of yourself and those you accused of being perfect.

[TheRealVille]

Among likely women voters, 52% favor Obama to 36% Romney. It is very likely women will decide this election.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Among likely women voters, 52% favor Obama to 36% Romney. It is very likely women will decide this election.

Indeed so. And, while I will hope that most women find killing their own flesh and blood as unconscionable, you will hope that most are selfish enough to favor killing.

Spin it all you wish. give us all that manure about "protecting" the life of the woman (S urely, we can't call them "mothers".) However, the truth is the truth and my post states the truth.

By the way, even your Kardashian suckups on MSNBC report the women vote to be much closer than your figures. Did you get yours from Axelrod?

[TheRealVille]

Indeed so. And, while I will hope that most women find killing their own flesh and blood as unconscionable, you will hope that most are selfish enough to favor killing.

Spin it all you wish. give us all that manure about "protecting" the life of the woman (S urely, we can't call them "mothers".) However, the truth is the truth and my post states the truth.

By the way, even your Kardashian suckups on MSNBC report the women vote to be much closer than your figures. Did you get yours from Axelrod?

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Romney leads Obama 56% to 41% among men (48% of likely voters). Among women (52% of likely voters), Obama leads Romney 52% to 41%.

I had the 36% percent part wrong, but you get the gist of the 52% women for Obama, right?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

I had the 36% percent part wrong, but you get the gist of the 52% women for Obama, right?

I am also aware of the ten percent margin by which men favor Romney.

The election gets down to whether there are more self-supporting taxpayers voting or more dependent freeloaders voting. If you win, you must do so with those who are, on the whole, takers and not contributors.

[TheRealVille]

I am also aware of the ten percent margin by which men favor Romney.

The election gets down to whether there are more self-supporting taxpayers voting or more dependent freeloaders voting. If you win, you must do so with those who are, on the whole, takers and not contributors.

How many more women voters are there than men is the US?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Probably a couple of million or so.