[Poseidon]

I'm sorry, but I'll never allow myself to be convinced that taking your helmet off, and beating a kid being held down is "heat of the moment". I hope no one else will allow themselves to be convinced of that either.

I totally agree that this is an act that is not excusable. I worded my response incorrectly if I made it sound as if I though it was. I meant that there are things that happen in the heat of the moment, but this is not one of them. Many murders have been committed in "the heat of the moment." The young people involved need to be disciplined and probably need anger management because if they lose control like this now, it is scary to think what they may be capable of later.

[Wideleft01]

Pathetic

[Fly By Night]

Would a moderator please eliminate the inappropriate swearing found throughout this thread?

Thanks.

[Wideleft01]

Would a moderator please eliminate the inappropriate swearing found throughout this thread?

Thanks.

Let it go. Typical eastern ky response. You wonder why the football teams act like they do.

[tomcatfan722000]

Let this reflects poorly on the coach. Lets try to not be to hard on The kids these are young men that make mistakes,I know we all have. That being said coach chapman needs to have some repercussions cause stuff like this are becoming more than isolated incidents at pike central. I know a player that plays At Ashland for coach hart,Russell for coach mcglone, JC for coach matney,ir belfry for coach Haywood would never act In such a manner. And the administration at pike central need to realize this and get control of there football team.

[Frozenbird]

"Boys will be boys" and "They are only 17" and "Others were throwing punches" are not excuses. As has been stated by others, there are consequences to actions and through consequences small children learn not to perform certain behaviors. It sounds as if these boys did not learn this when small children. I hope they are appropriately punished now so they learn that this behavior is not acceptable NOW before they kill or injure someone in the future because they were "disrespected", "got cut off while driving", or all of they other stupid reasons why someone has lost their temper and gone off and killed or seriously injured someone. As adults, the coach, school officials, KHSAA, teachers, parents, fans, etc need to set examples and expectations for their behavior and NOT make excuses!

[Mama Bear]

Let it go. Typical eastern ky response. You wonder why the football teams act like they do.

Not all football teams in Eastern Kentucky act this way. Not all players in Eastern Kentucky act this way. Your comment is as out of line as the filthy language. That was as hateful and pompous of a comment I've seen. You need to check yourself.

[Wideleft01]

Not all football teams in Eastern Kentucky act this way. Not all players in Eastern Kentucky act this way. Your comment is as out of line as the filthy language. That was as hateful and pompous of a comment I've seen. You need to check yourself.

Let those that don't act this way be the example, but this is the perception of eastern whether you like it or not.

[Mama Bear]

Let those that don't act this way be the example, but this is the perception of eastern whether you like it or not.

This is YOUR perception. You are not the voice of the state of Kentucky no matter how much you think of yourself. It would take very minimal effort to look up bad conduct from individual players throughout the state over the years. There's a name for people who judge a group based on one individual's behavior. I hope that something will happen that changes YOUR perception.

[BobcatStuckInPowell]

Fights do happen..heat of the moment, one or two swings, throwing a kid to the ground, that happens and is somewhat understandable. But holding a kid down, taking your helmet off and pounding him with it? Either that was thought out and he planned to do it, or the kid flew off the hook and got out of control, and if that's the case he shouldn't be playing a sport where he's going to be consistently hit and "pissed off". It's that simple, there's no excuse for taking your helmet off and pounding a kid with it.

Then after the same kid was hitting his own crazy self in the head with his own helmet.BTW folks;it wasn't just some little fight it was a fullout brawl.The Breathitt players that was already on the playing field was the only Breathitt players in the fight BECAUSE COACH HOLCOMB KEPT THE REST ON THE SIDELINE LIKE A GOOD COACH DOES.Cox was first grabbed by a guy in street clothes.Then HELD DOWN by on innocent Hawk while crazy boy beat him with his helmet.BTW Cox dad is a former State Cop so I bet that a couple WILL face charges.

[BluegrassHoops1972]

I heard about this yesterday while watching the Pike Co Preseason tournament at Mullins, that is just awful and embarrassing for the school, look for PC to get a new coach next season and the player with the helmet doesn't need to be suspended from football for his actions!!!

[tomcatfan722000]

Let those that don't act this way be the example, but this is the perception of eastern whether you like it or not.

This isn't the example plenty programs such as Raceland,Ashland,Russell,belfry,bell co, are respected for there sportsmanship. I am sure there are more but these are the programs i am familiar with.

[pikecountyfootball]

You have no one to blame but Pike County Central and the Pike County Board of Education. Everyone knows what a piece of trash John Chapman is. He proved that last year when he did not shake Coach Haywood's hand after the game. There is no way this man would coach my kids in anything. Pike Central needs punished and Chapman needs banned from coaching all together. REMEMBER this is not his first time he has been in trouble as we soon forget about him shuttling players across county lines to PCC.

Even from Belfry I hope that all the Breathitt players can play next week and that all the players are ready to go. The KHSAA should know if someone threw a punch at them they'd sure as hell throw one back protecting themselves.

The fight was started when a Breathitt county player intentionally hit a Pike Central player with his fist between the legs numerous times while on the bottom of a pile. This doesn't give anyone a reason to use a helmet on anyone but I can understand why the kid wanted to fight. And for a fan from Belfry-Mingo to mention players coming across county lines to play football. Well sir you live in a glass house.

[adopted purple]

What are the rules as far as assault on the field? Is that a KHSAA or a Law enforcement issue? I can understand the "heat of the moment" statement, but the kids involved have to be taught that their actions will be met with consequences and that doing things "in the heat of the moment" will get them into trouble.

The laws on the field are the same as the laws off the field. intentionally hurting a player by using a helmet is assault. No matter where it happens.

[Wideleft01]

This is YOUR perception. You are not the voice of the state of Kentucky no matter how much you think of yourself. It would take very minimal effort to look up bad conduct from individual players throughout the state over the years. There's a name for people who judge a group based on one individual's behavior. I hope that something will happen that changes YOUR perception.

It's my perception and I'm not alone. Never said it was all teams. There's more than enough though.

[BELLBOBCATS]

Let it go. Typical eastern ky response. You wonder why the football teams act like they do.

"Typical eastern ky response" I've traveled to many places throughout Kentucky, believe it or not i've heard terrible language and have seen more things away from Eastern Kentucky. I love how people get on here and try to down certain people because of the location where they live. In one word you are :lame:

[E's Army]

I have traveled to most of the schools in Eastern Kentucky and have found most of them to be respectful and hospitable. This negative stereotype is ignorant and has no basis. Remarks such as these are generally made by self righteous fools.

[Wideleft01]

If eastern ky teams swinging helmets at an opponent makes me self righteous then I accept that label.

[BELLBOBCATS]

If eastern ky teams swinging helmets at an opponent makes me self righteous then I accept that label.

No, you placed ALL of Eastern Kentucky into that statement. I've seen swinging helmets in professional football, college and high school also. Not just in Eastern Kentucky. Not saying its right to use a helmet as a weapon just as like not saying its right to place all people of a region into a category. Which in reality shows your lack of travel and knowledge of people in general. You have been labeled :flush:

[Poseidon]

Let this reflects poorly on the coach. Lets try to not be to hard on The kids these are young men that make mistakes,I know we all have. That being said coach chapman needs to have some repercussions cause stuff like this are becoming more than isolated incidents at pike central. I know a player that plays At Ashland for coach hart,Russell for coach mcglone, JC for coach matney,ir belfry for coach Haywood would never act In such a manner. And the administration at pike central need to realize this and get control of there football team.

Kids have to be held accountable for their actions, they deserve no "they are young" excuses. Coaches should also be disciplined.

[LeeCoUKFan]

If eastern ky teams swinging helmets at an opponent makes me self righteous then I accept that label.

It was a team, as one team! Not teams as in meaning more than one! I seriously don't know why you trying to make all of EKY look bad when it was just one team! It's not like these same types of incidents haven't happened anywhere else. There was an incident similar to this that made national news in Georgia. So, it makes no sense why you're trying to single out EKY unless you have something against the area.

[tomcatfan722000]

Kids have to be held accountable for their actions, they deserve no "they are young" excuses. Coaches should also be disciplined.

I agree they should be held accountable just don't drag them through the mudd on here is all.

[HawksRule]

I'll say it once again. The fact of the matter is I never said since he was 17 it was okay to swing a helmet did I? You all have labeled all players and coaches from Pike Central as rednecks, thugs, future murder, and others because of one that's retarded. Yea maybe that one kid screwed up and swung a helmet. That doesn't mean he will be locked in a pin doing life one day. You all are so quick to judge others it's not even funny. I'm sure the kids read this and you know probably feel regret and remorse for it. I don't see where it's right to label him as a future felon.

[HawksRule]

Let this reflects poorly on the coach. Lets try to not be to hard on The kids these are young men that make mistakes,I know we all have. That being said coach chapman needs to have some repercussions cause stuff like this are becoming more than isolated incidents at pike central. I know a player that plays At Ashland for coach hart,Russell for coach mcglone, JC for coach matney,ir belfry for coach Haywood would never act In such a manner. And the administration at pike central need to realize this and get control of there football team.

Never at Belfry because back when I played a guy in a red jersey a pirate on his helmet was trying to shove my face into the ground after the play.

[BlackcatAlum]

Over the years I've seen some pretty dirty players whether they where the opponent or my Blackcats. It happens everywhere, not just in EKY. I see dirty plays by professionals, college athletes, etc. I don't think what the PC player did was right, and I do believe he needs to be punished. But for anyone to act like this doesn't happen with their team is just a biased homer that thinks there team can't do no wrong.

I do believe it's time for Pike Central to move forward without coach Chapman. Not just because of this incident, but because of the amount of distractions and negativity that's come with him to that football program. He's one helluva coach, no one can deny that. But ever since he's stepped foot on that campus, there had been nothing but problems.

[tomcatfan722000]

Never at Belfry because back when I played a guy in a red jersey a pirate on his helmet was trying to shove my face into the ground after the play.

Not to say it didn't happen. But it doesn't happen on a regular basis at belfry and I'm sure coach Haywood dealt with it. Incidents happen everywhere no doubt. These are high school kids so it it inevitable. The problem is under coach chapman the pike county program is starting to get a nasty reputation. And it's one that I don't think is reflective of its fans or most players. I actually met a couple of pike county fans a few years ago during my trip to belfry an they couldn't have been nicer people. But the coach has been nothing but bad for that program.

[Strikeout King]

Guys let's keep it clean. Bashing of the kids, coaches, schools, fans, etc. etc. WILL NOT be tolerated on here by ANY ONE.

What I mean by bashing is, calling them names, cussing them out, etc. etc. If any of that happens in this thread, the thread will be closed and moved and whoever done it will be banned because it's against the rules.

If you feel someone is bashing someone, please contact one of the Admins or Mod's by PM and they will take a look at it.


This thread will be closely watched.



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[dbcooper]

This is awful. And to act like it only happens in the eastern part of the state simply reveals one to be a snob.
I lived in the northern section of this state for many years and went to many games at many schools and saw many examples of horrible behavior, including a referee being viciously assaulted with an object.
I once, in the 90s witnessed a fan wander a visiting team sidelines and call the visitors a bunch of "pathetic hillbillies." He kept trying to bait fans and players into a fight, but the visitors remained restrained and asked the police to remove him. They refused.
There's a reason a certain segment of fans up there are despised among their own neighbors and derisively known as "cake eaters." They're disliked all across the area there and known at the state title weekend as among the least respectful, most arrogant patrons of the event. They routinely confuse on-field excellence with spectator class and will never acknowledge when they've been beaten fairly, either in a debate or athletic contest.
I have been in literally hundreds of prep sporting events as an observer and dispassionate journalist and that is the one place I always cringed at going simply because the fans can't just support their team, they have to deride and belittle the others and they carry that conduct over to message boards.
instead of adding something to the discussion and help point out that young people need not behave that way and that schools have to respond in kind with discipline to this behavior, they instead prefer to generalize about a region based on the re-runs of "The Beverly Hillbillies" they've watched.
This incident is shameful and comes in an explosion in the middle of what is supposed to be fun, but don't take the social and behavioral criticism of an elitist seriously. After all, they're just "cake eaters" who cheat, recruit, and pompously deride others. That's the perception of them across the state, so it HAS to be true, right?

[jdnoble18]

The reason why I'm blaming the coaching staff is the fact that they tried to do nothing to contain the mess. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The PCC coaching staff wasn't visible anywhere during the whole thing.

Breathitt's staff was everywhere trying to keep the peace, while the PCC players were on the other side of the field pointing, yelling, waving their arms, and beating their selves in the head with their own helmets!

Does anyone NOT thing that its the duty of the coaching staff to control their own players?

[RunItUpTheGut]

If eastern ky teams swinging helmets at an opponent makes me self righteous then I accept that label.

If you only knew what we thought about NKY teams. nicker: