[Blau Vogel]

http://www.kentucky.com/2012/11/29/24254...class.html

[nky]

but it also permits more oppertunities for other teams. Would a four class system be better? Wouldn't the rich still be rich?

[30 going on 40]

but it also permits more oppertunities for other teams. Would a four class system be better? Wouldn't the rich still be rich?

Does it matter? It would just keep some schools from inflating their trophy #s. W/ 4 classes you have, in any given season:
A. Beechwood, Danville, Mayfield, NewCath, eventually Somerset
AA. Breathitt, Belfry, Central?
AAA. Bowling Green, Highlands, CovCath
AAAA. Trinity, St X.

If those teams aren't winning it all, then they are consistently playing in the final. It is the same as we have right now. You have a couple of surprises, but you would in 4 classes as well.

[region]

I think you have to ask - "Is football better in Kentucky than it was before the 6 class system?"

Answer is no.

[whackem'n'stackem']

Six classes is the best for all programs. Yes, the same ole same ole, but you have a greater number of kids playing deeper in the playoffs instead of sitting home for the most part doing nothing.

[whackem'n'stackem']

There really is no answer for what Mueller has done for the Bluebird program. It's become a monster in it's own right with no apparent end in sight. They'll be in the top 5 the next several years so no matter how you slice it, the same teams will be playing in the finals.

[charliez]

Isn't that what Kentucky's Mitch McConnell stands for?

[Bluegrasscard]

Possible option

-4 Classes

- 8 Regions per class - no districts.

- 7-8 teams per Region (if even distributed the vast majority would be 7 teams)

-All Teams play their Region during regular season - fixes 6-7 games on schedule.

-All teams make Region Tournament (a 3 week tournament).

-Seeding for 8 team Regions (very few) would be standard seeding.

-Seeding for 7 team Regions would be this in week one: 1 (bye), 6 vs 7 in one bracket, other bracket would be - 5 vs 2 and 3 vs 4. 2nd week 1 plays winner of 6/7 and winners of 5/2 and 3/4 play. 3rd week - Region Tournament Championship game.

- Winners of Regional Tournaments then move on to 'State Tournament'. 3 weeks - classic 8 team bracket, Blind draw all 8 for brackets and home/away or split into East and West and blind draw the 4 slots on each side.


Disadvantages:
Only 4 classes - fix: Play up the regional tournaments more.

6 week playoff system fix: go to 9 week schedule since all schools make playoffs or drop bye week.

Advantages

All teams make playoffs and have a post season. Current set is just simply stupid to leave out a very small minority of teams.

First week of playoffs is competitive. The 7 team bracket allows for 2 low seeded schools to play for a post season win. They would then play the #1 the 2nd week but hey at least they can have a shot a post season win the week before. The other side of the bracket would be competitive through out.

More competitive 'State Tournament' with 8 champions playing.

Freshness and something new each year with some level of blind draw in State Tournament.


I realize it probably has a snow-balls chance in a hot place. But the current system is just to predictable and the same patterns are forming every year.

[Cardfan1]

We have two national superpower teams in Highlands and Trinity.

Possibly a third with Bowling Green.

We have several teams that are up and coming. More teams playing up into november the second and third week of november. Why isn't it better?

Coach on Friday nights and notice the complexity of offenses and defenses is more advanced than it was. Is that directly due to 6A football ...probably not, but it can't hurt that teams work longer than they did before 6A classifiactions.

[E's Army]

6A is good for the very small schools and large schools. It lets the small schools not have to play schools three times as large as them. It lets the large schools stay away from the super large schools. Trinity and X would more than double a lot of schools if there were only 4 classes.

[AtlPirateFan]

I'm slightly uninformed on the alignment issued now that I live out of state. Why is the discussion always 4 or 6? Is 5 not a viable option?

[HHellBird]

I get so tired of the same old debate. who cares if we have 6 classes or not? Seriously who cares?

If we only had 4 then there would always be the same 3 teams winning 4 of the tourneys each year most of the time.

I like 6 classes because in the end it doesn't hurt anybody.

some people act like we should be competeing for the national #1 each year. Others compare us to Ohio.

We are Kentucky, let the kids play as it is and enjoy high school football period. What does it hurt having 6 classes? It doesn't. So can we please stop the same old argument?

[The_Dude]

Doesn't Tennessee force private schools to play up a class? Go to 4 or 5 classes, make privates play up one so the smallest schools are in A and that is probably as good as it could get.

[XtraIce]

You could have a system that is based on Wins. If you win your district, region, state you get points and when you reach a certain point level you are moved to the next higher class. So teams like Mayfield, Highlands, Bowling Green, Trinity would be moved up as they keep winning. When you continue to lose you would move down in class. Every 4 years you get a reset.

[toussaints]

or it could stay the way it is

I know Highlands, Trinity, Mayfield, NCC, Bowling green fans won't agreen but having the same teams in the finals almost every year gets boring. I don't like the current system, but it is what it is

[mysonis55]

Wa Wa Wa, all this crying is killing me. Same old thing each year. You guys complained when it was 4 classes because the privates were winning them all. They changed it to make it more competitive. You guys have complained every year since they did that. Quit the crying. As far as moving people up because they keep moving, that is crazy. You punish a small school team for winning because they are better. That is crazy, a small 1a school has the same number of kids so, should they not be able to win or face schools with 5 or 6 times as many kids to choose from. The only way some of you would be happy is if each year KHSAA would go around to each individual school and hand you a trophy for playing and naming you champions.

[nky]

you now have 4 more teams playing for a title that would be sitting at home. There is nothing wrong with it. The other sports should expand to permit more state championships for more teams

[birdman44]

4 is the best. do it just like in the 90s. i dont think teams that win 1 game should go to the playoffs. plus it makes for more exciting games in the state finals. It would be Highlands v BG for the 3A final if it was like that. doesn't that sound like a insta-classic state title? Is this still america?

[nky]

byes in the first round would be awesome, not let 0-10 teams in the playoff. Make teams win at least one district game

[wildthang3]

Make private schools play in their own class.

[wildthang3]

I refuse to go the state games anymore. Same teams every year winning. Use to go ever year, not been the last 5 years.

[E's Army]

The present set up is fair. It is as fair as you can get numerically. If you want to beat the Trinities and Highlands of the world you'll have to get better. There are not enough private schools to justify them playing in their own class. It has taken the top schools years to get to that level. Their success feeds on itself. It is not by accident that Mayfield has played in four straight finals. They have hired good coaches. They have support from the administration, community and parents. Their kids know that there are high expectations and they work their butts off not to disappoint. Central has built themselves into a powerhouse. There are a lot of other good schools who are very close but the above stick out right now. Bell, Belfrey, Beechwood, Cov Cath, New Cath, Boyle County and St. X have had long periods of substained success but are a little behind the above right now.

[foxbatone]

Possible option

-4 Classes

- 8 Regions per class - no districts.

- 7-8 teams per Region (if even distributed the vast majority would be 7 teams)

-All Teams play their Region during regular season - fixes 6-7 games on schedule.

-All teams make Region Tournament (a 3 week tournament).

-Seeding for 8 team Regions (very few) would be standard seeding.

-Seeding for 7 team Regions would be this in week one: 1 (bye), 6 vs 7 in one bracket, other bracket would be - 5 vs 2 and 3 vs 4. 2nd week 1 plays winner of 6/7 and winners of 5/2 and 3/4 play. 3rd week - Region Tournament Championship game.

- Winners of Regional Tournaments then move on to 'State Tournament'. 3 weeks - classic 8 team bracket, Blind draw all 8 for brackets and home/away or split into East and West and blind draw the 4 slots on each side.


Disadvantages:
Only 4 classes - fix: Play up the regional tournaments more.

6 week playoff system fix: go to 9 week schedule since all schools make playoffs or drop bye week.

Advantages

All teams make playoffs and have a post season. Current set is just simply stupid to leave out a very small minority of teams.

First week of playoffs is competitive. The 7 team bracket allows for 2 low seeded schools to play for a post season win. They would then play the #1 the 2nd week but hey at least they can have a shot a post season win the week before. The other side of the bracket would be competitive through out.

More competitive 'State Tournament' with 8 champions playing.

Freshness and something new each year with some level of blind draw in State Tournament.


I realize it probably has a snow-balls chance in a hot place. But the current system is just to predictable and the same patterns are forming every year.

Sounds like High school baskeball would befit alot form this.:eyeroll:

[mysonis55]

Thank you Foxbatone, I completely agree there should be classifications for basketball. I dont know about how many though. I was thinking maybe 3 classes for that due to the fact that you only have to have 5 players in bball versus 11 in fball. I think it is crazy that teams the size of Fulton should have to play the McCracken County's of the State to get a chance to win a state title. Yes you only need 5 players, but what is the odds of getting the right five from a school that has 100 males versus a team that has 600 or 700 males. Thats like lottery odds.

[Blau Vogel]

The present set up is fair. It is as fair as you can get numerically. If you want to beat the Trinities and Highlands of the world you'll have to get better. There are not enough private schools to justify them playing in their own class. It has taken the top schools years to get to that level. Their success feeds on itself. It is not by accident that Mayfield has played in four straight finals. They have hired good coaches. They have support from the administration, community and parents. Their kids know that there are high expectations and they work their butts off not to disappoint. Central has built themselves into a powerhouse. There are a lot of other good schools who are very close but the above stick out right now. Bell, Belfrey, Beechwood, Cov Cath, New Cath, Boyle County and St. X have had long periods of substained success but are a little behind the above right now.

Where do you get off stating the obvious? hh: The teams that win year in and year out are not appointed to play in the championship games...If there are 3 classes, 6 classes or 20 classes, those teams will earn themselves some titles.

[footballfever]

Doesn't Tennessee force private schools to play up a class? Go to 4 or 5 classes, make privates play up one so the smallest schools are in A and that is probably as good as it could get.

In Tennesse also if you receive ANY scholarship $$ even academic you cannot compete in athletics. Someone may know little more bout this but I'm sure this is how it works.

[Mayfieldsportsfan]

You know there are two things that make the very good teams good. Jimmy and Joes and COACHING. Everyone should know that all coaches are not on the same level. Some coaches just can't look at film and see what say Highland's, Trinity's, Central's or Mayfield coaches see. It really makes a hell of a difference. Some coaches are not good at in game adjustments and some are great at it and it makes a difference on the outcome of the game. I told my wife yesterday that Coach Joe at Mayfield is like his father in one respect in that they both surrounded themselves with great assistants. You have to have all the pieces of the puzzle not just one or two.