[Crossbones]

Just curious, but since Bell only lost to Central by 4, does that make them better this year?

nicker: We heard it all last year of Belfry getting beat by a closer score.

:biggrin: I can't find the little stir the pot guy.

[Do-double-gg]

What weeka$$ gets all bent out of shape over some high school football Internet junk ?? You better go get yourself a life bucko !Oh by the way did anybody tell you ..............the Champ is here !

It cracks me up how someone who is on a thread about high school football and then tells another person to get a life for getting bent out of shape over it. Looks to me like you are the one getting bent out of shape because you have more posts then any person on here. "So"......why don't you go and get a life.:lame:

[EKUAlum05]

Just curious, but since Bell only lost to Central by 4, does that make them better this year?

nicker: We heard it all last year of Belfry getting beat by a closer score.

I see your 6 points and raise you a tie at the end of regulation.nicker::biggrin:

[Do-double-gg]

Congrats to Central and congrats to Belfry on another great season.

[BoondockSaint]

Just curious, but since Bell only lost to Central by 4, does that make them better this year?

nicker: We heard it all last year of Belfry getting beat by a closer score.

Read the entire thread, that issue has been addressed by some pretty straight shooters at length, as well as a handful of completely biased posters. I'm getting a little tired of it, honestly.

EKUalum did nail it though.

[BELLBOBCATS]

You did not say which part is insane. You just echoed what I said from what I am seeing?

The part of flipping Bell to the east and Belfry to the west. It didn't happen that way this year and won't be happening that way next year. I think we are agreeing on something instead of arguing something. :biggrin:
If Bell played Belfry this year at Belfry.....Belfry wins, if at Bell, Bell wins....on a neutral site....toss up probably. I think thats how close these 2 teams are but who knows. Until they play who knows. The only thing that matters is Central is dominate in 3A.

[BELLBOBCATS]

To hopefully put a stop to this debate of Bell/Belfry......if they played 10 times on a home and home basis...each team would win at home in close games, if at a neutral site...toss up probably. I don't think if you put some of the other teams in the mix on a neutral site like Larue County or Wayne County, either team in the debate would fair much better with them. Larue and Wayne both are pretty good teams and on a neutral site would give Bell or Belfry all they would want.
Central on the other hand.....well, they showed on the road, at home or neutral site they would win......very impressive.

[red&white]

I was at the game. I'm not taking anything away from Belfry, going to the state championship game is a great accomplishment. Being 2nd in 3A is a great accomplishment year in and year out. I didn't see the game opened up from either team. It was basically a grind it out game from both sides, like i said earlier, Centrals offense wasn't as good as last years. But, the coaching staff is the same.....THEY FIND WAYS TO WIN. Centrals team works as a team. They fire off the ball with precision. On defense, awesome defense is all you can say. They fly to the ball. You won't beat them with the same old ground and pound game.
The ultimate thing that shows which team was out coached and out played.......the scoreboard. You can have all the yardage in a game that you want...I'll take the scoreboard 7 days a week as the ultimate thing that shows which team excelled imo.

You can say a team was out played or coached if they get beat down. This game was a toss up plain and simple! Execution of plays does not say coaches one way or another. Belfry did not execute pass plays when they needed to. Warren could not get a pass off and was hit at times on hand off and pitches. Speed off the ball beat Belfry not coaching. you say Central Offense was not as good this year maybe? Dont forget Belfry played with out their top running back you play with what you got. Look like last year Belfry got beat on a great play at the right time not because they were out coached. 6 to 6 at the end of regulation. Looks like Belfry had a awesome D as well against a team that has much more speed and athletes. You are trying to take away from a great Belfry Staff and team that could have won this game because you said out coached and you cant win with the run up the middle and I pointed out that Belfry ran and passed more efficient than central no they did not win but it took over time and a great play by Central to win. Great Game Central beat Belfry but it was not easy for them and it was not from a lack of coaching or because it was ground and pound only. They passed more and had more passing yards than Central.

[BELLBOBCATS]

You can say a team was out played or coached if they get beat down. This game was a toss up plain and simple! Execution of plays does not say coaches one way or another. Belfry did not execute pass plays when they needed to. Warren could not get a pass off and was hit at times on hand off and pitches. Speed off the ball beat Belfry not coaching. you say Central Offense was not as good this year maybe? Dont forget Belfry played with out their top running back you play with what you got. Look like last year Belfry got beat on a great play at the right time not because they were out coached. 6 to 6 at the end of regulation. Looks like Belfry had a awesome D as well against a team that has much more speed and athletes. You are trying to take away from a great Belfry Staff and team that could have won this game because you said out coached and you cant win with the run up the middle and I pointed out that Belfry ran and passed more efficient than central no they did not win but it took over time and a great play by Central to win. Great Game Central beat Belfry but it was not easy for them and it was not from a lack of coaching or because it was ground and pound only. They passed more and had more passing yards than Central.

Team speed is awesome if used right and coached right. The Central staff is far and above most 3A schools with the Belfry staff a close second imo, it takes coaching to get the team to play. If Central didn't have a good coaching staff then i don't care if you have Olympic sprinters on the field...you have to have the whole offense playing as one. If the line doesn't do there job then the quarterback couldn't do his as well as the running backs......the list goes on and on. So yes Central is above all 3A schools as far as coaching goes....the proof is in the trophy cases at Louisville Central High School.....go take a look at it and then tell me the coaching staff isn't that good. I'm not taking anything away from Belfry, Coach Haywood has the most wins in Kentucky High School football and is a legend imo.

[cuppett777]

I played my first two years @ Evansville where I was a two year starter transferred down & finished my degree @ KWC THAT'S STARTING TWO YEARS AT TWO DIFFERENT COLLEGES THAT MAKES A TOTAL OF 4 years. Now I had two different questions YOU have not answered.

Evansville Indiana? if so when did they ever have a football team?

[Belfry0304]

Belfry offense: 15/22 from two-deep depth chart returning
Defense: 14/22
29/44 total

Central offense: 12/21 (Right tackle Austin Taylor not listed on roster)
Defense: 13/22
25/43 total

Of course some guys for both teams are on the two deep at a couple of different positions but here's the numbers I counted up, Belfry loses more big time defensive players in Ghormley, Thacker, Mullins, Messer, and Robinson while Central returns Francis and Styles. Belfry returns entire backfield except for Robinson which is 2/2 QBs, 2/2 FBs, and 3/4 RBs

[Belfry0304]

^ Running back depth numbers not including Justin Johnson.

[Belfry0304]

Just wanted to share with you guys a comment Ty Scroggins left on one of our football players Facebook pages today.

Tyrran Scroggins To all my friends on FB that are from Belfry. So much respect for you, your program, and your coach. Ino this was a tough one. Players you worked your tail off for 365 days and it was noticed. You have no reason to hang your head. Our games will always be close. Please keep ur head up. With much respect. Ty Scroggins.

What a class act... Cannot beat that. It makes me feel a LITTLE better about not getting the win that at least I know the coach who did it a genuine guy!

[BelfryPride]

Well, first off many thanks goes out to our Seniors. We The Pond Creek Nation, thank you so much for your time and dedication to Belfry Football...you will ALWAYS be a PIRATE! As far as
the game goes...Belfry was their own worst enemy. Each and every time we would get an offensice rythym going, we would make silly mental errors that would put us in long yardage situations and eventually forcing a punt.One Belfry turnover never happened as it should have been ruled as an incomplete pass and eventually led to the and first Central TD.
Central kept jumping offsides defensively all night and was never called on it...they also played a bit dirty with some shoving and pushing after the whistle was blown and was also never called on it.
Now, as far as the OT goes, had Belfry made that one extra point. we win the game 7-6 so we should have never had an OT, especially getting the ball back on the Central 40 with 1:04 left
in the game and 3 timeouts...but the powers that be settled for overtime and I never felt good about the game going into OT at all.
But, it is what it is and thats the story. I must also give mad props to the Pond Creek Nation for a HUGE crowd once again. I also was very impressed by the amount of kind words by the Fairview fans coming out of their game wishing us well on this board as well as the many fans that travelled to Bowling Green in support.

[Crossbones]

As far as penalties the only complaint I would have would have been the block in back on the punt that would have pinned Central inside the 5 that wasn't called and the two very late hits out of bounds on Belfry side, where the running backs where thrown down, both times the official was standing there. The last one was on the 4th down play in overtime, which would have gave Belfry 1st and goal. It was very obvious the back was thrown down and way after the whistle.

[BelfryPride]

As far as penalties the only complaint I would have would have been the block in back on the punt that would have pinned Central inside the 5 that wasn't called and the two very late hits out of bounds on Belfry side, where the running backs where thrown down, both times the official was standing there. The last one was on the 4th down play in overtime, which would have gave Belfry 1st and goal. It was very obvious the back was thrown down and way after the whistle.

The refs didn't call it down the middle thats for sure...but it is what it is

[Crossbones]

The refs didn't call it down the middle thats for sure...but it is what it is

The 3 that I mentioned where very crucial IMO and would have changed game in one way or another. The last one was very blatant and the official was standing no less than 10 feet away. It would have givin Belfry 1st and goal from around the 5. Big difference.

[Belfry0304]

Playing for overtime was probably safer than trying to drive and score with less than a minute left. Sani had gotten rocked a few times dropping back.

[MtnHSFootballFan]

Well, first off many thanks goes out to our Seniors.

I follow and root for Belfry every year and my thanks also to the Seniors, their parents, the coaches and every one who has helped Belfry PLAY FOOTBALL. You've made the seasons very exciting.

God Bless You in all you do!

[red&white]

Team speed is awesome if used right and coached right. The Central staff is far and above most 3A schools with the Belfry staff a close second imo, it takes coaching to get the team to play. If Central didn't have a good coaching staff then i don't care if you have Olympic sprinters on the field...you have to have the whole offense playing as one. If the line doesn't do there job then the quarterback couldn't do his as well as the running backs......the list goes on and on. So yes Central is above all 3A schools as far as coaching goes....the proof is in the trophy cases at Louisville Central High School.....go take a look at it and then tell me the coaching staff isn't that good. I'm not taking anything away from Belfry, Coach Haywood has the most wins in Kentucky High School football and is a legend imo.

I still say Belfry could not match the speed of Centrals D off the ball. I aint even saying Belfry has the best coaches in 3A What Garrard co last year and Bourbon co coached have done with those programs takes good coaches.Central has great coaches and even more so the athletes to work with. I will leave it at this Haywood and his staff are lucky to have one or two players with the speed of half of Centrals. Central is a great team no doubt but I have to give it to the athletes they have year in and out.

[charlie22]

The refs didn't call it down the middle thats for sure...but it is what it is

I'm sure that's the way you saw it, but I did the KHSAA radio broadcast of the game and not being a "fan" of either team (although respecting both programs), I think I saw the game more impartially than you probably did. It wasn't the perfectly refereed game. Then again, it wasn't the perfectly played or the perfectly coached game by either squad either. None are. I thought it was a very fairly refereed game from my perspective.

[Micro-Brew]

From a Defensive guy, Great great game. Both teams played their tail off. My thoughts on this game are yes it could've went either way. Centrals D is so fast. Plays that would've went for 12, 15 , 20 yard gains against most teams were 3-4 yards. Belfry had to work very very hard for first downs. They needed to play completely mistake free football. On the flip side Belfry's D is so well coached and disciplined that it made it very tough on Central to bust that big play which they rely so heavily on. BTW great adjustment to get Messer prepared for the crack sweep that Central ran early with some success. It is no doubt that Central has a second to none coaching staff and also I loved the digs, but when you eyeball these two teams ( I like Colin Cowherd am a huge eyeball test guy) you would think Belfry has no shot. The athleticism of Central is unbelievable. That is a testiment to the Belfry Coaching staff. Of course I am a Belfry homer but what Coach Haywood and staff do is pretty remarkable. I look for these 2 to see each other again next year. I thought Belfry would win this one, I really did. They could've. But could've would've should've dont get ya far. Congrats Central on getting it done again!!! Good teams tend to do that. Belfry has no reason to hang their heads. we are all very proud of you. Keep working hard and give it another shot next year. Seniors take great pride in the fact that you were in 3 straight title games. Never been done before at Belfry. Make the most of your future.

[EKUAlum05]

I'm sure that's the way you saw it, but I did the KHSAA radio broadcast of the game and not being a "fan" of either team (although respecting both programs), I think I saw the game more impartially than you probably did. It wasn't the perfectly refereed game. Then again, it wasn't the perfectly played or the perfectly coached game by either squad either. None are. I thought it was a very fairly refereed game from my perspective.

There were only a couple questionable calls I can remember..one was a block in the back which IMO needed to be called and the other was a late hit that was purely a judgement call that was an official's discretion...I thought by and large the officials did a good job of keeping a flow to the game. It was clear they werent going to call everything and didnt want to have a hair trigger on big calls. I dont mind that.

One missed block in the back as the only explicit example of a missed call IMO is pretty good for a HS game as physical and as intense as this one. Officiating in my opinion played no role on the outcome.

[red&white]

I'm sure that's the way you saw it, but I did the KHSAA radio broadcast of the game and not being a "fan" of either team (although respecting both programs), I think I saw the game more impartially than you probably did. It wasn't the perfectly refereed game. Then again, it wasn't the perfectly played or the perfectly coached game by either squad either. None are. I thought it was a very fairly refereed game from my perspective.

I do not believe the refs played a role in the outcome,but you cant say that when Carr was thrown down well after the wistle as well as Robinson was thrown down out of bounds well after the wistle and 5 yards out of bounds were good no calls.

[pirateforlife]

Let me start by saying I'm a huge Belfry fan but at the end of a game of that magnitude, you do not make that call unless a player was trying to hurt another player and he was not. You make both teams earn it and if that call would have been made Belfry would have almost been guaranteed to score becuase that would have gave them 4 more downs. And that play would have never took place if the ball wasn't fumbled to begin with. Both teams were just playing hard and with lots of emotion. I honestly feel it was a good no call both ways. Ask yourself this: Would you feel the same way if it had been Belfry doing that to one of Central's players? There was no bad calls against either team in my opinion. Just like the pass interferance being called when the Central player pushed off in the end zone on the td in the 1st quarter. Now if that wouldn't have been called, then yeah you could say that was a bad call, but it was called. Another thing I've wondered is why didn't Austin Hatfield get any carries in OT? He already had over 100 yards and there's not one person who could convince me that he couldn't have gotten 10 yards in 4 carries. Just wondering why Coach Haywood didn't give him that ball in that situation?

[Crossbones]

I disagree. The call should have been made. It was too obvious not to be. Reguardless of when in the game it happened, it should have been called. If one of Belfry's players did it, I would expect it to be called. As I said, those where the only three calls or no calls that I had complaint about.

[BELLBOBCATS]

I still say Belfry could not match the speed of Centrals D off the ball. I aint even saying Belfry has the best coaches in 3A What Garrard co last year and Bourbon co coached have done with those programs takes good coaches.Central has great coaches and even more so the athletes to work with. I will leave it at this Haywood and his staff are lucky to have one or two players with the speed of half of Centrals. Central is a great team no doubt but I have to give it to the athletes they have year in and out.

I agree with what you are saying. I think Coach Haywood and his staff are pretty close to the Central staff.....imo, the rest of 3A is lacking in coaching staff and I will leave it at that.
But Congrats to Belfry and Central both.....that was a heck of a game and both teams played their hearts out and left it out on the field.

[Belfry0304]

On the Robinson play, a guy behind me said "Throw the flag!" and I turned and said "they make that call they'll get chased outta here.." you don't throw it, because if ya do, the game will be forever remembered for it.

[pirateforlife]

You're right 0304. Trust me, if that call is made then Julian Tackett (KHSAA commissioner) would have had a few choice words for whoever made that call. Trust me, he was there and he has meetings with each crew before each game and makes sure you fully understand to let the players decide the game, especially toward the end of a game with the score what it was. In a game like that you can forget about getting a holding call or block in the back unless it would be a game deciding call. The way I look at it is Belfry had there chance on the 3rd and five play when the fumble happen. If the pitch was made then Robinson walks in for the score. You let the players decide it on the field and let the game be remembered as a great game, not as a great game that was ruined over a bad call. If that call would have been made, I would have felt sorry for the line judge on the opposite side of the field because I'm sure Coach Scroggins would have had lost it! The referees for the all 6 games Friday and Saturday are the best out of the best in the state. Not just anyone is elected to ref one of them games. And all 6 crews called a regional final game and a state semi-final game together as well so this wasn't there first big game they've ever called.

[Crossbones]

Still disagree. They are paid to call the game all the way through. If it is a penalty, throw the flag. Just because it is a close game does not mean for them to not do there job.Julian Tackett (KHSAA commissioner) should be upset that they were not calling penalties when they should have instead of being upset over calling it. It does not matter if Coach Scroggins would be upset or not. A penalty is a penalty. If Belfry would have done it I would have exspected a flag. As I said, I thought they done a good job and only missed 3 calls that I mentioned. All 3 should have been called. They were too obvious to not be. They game was played and the best team won, I watched a great ballgame and do not blame the lose on the officals.