[Pulp Fiction]

By a 5-4 decision....

In a landmark ruling for gay rights, the Supreme Court on Wednesday struck down the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), the 1996 law blocking federal recognition of same-sex marriages.

12 states plus Washington D.C. already allow same-sex marriage.

[Pulp Fiction]

(Now this post is only meant for us that believe in The Bible and Know Jesus as our Savior.)

I know the "knee jerk" reaction is to be upset and aggervated at the Supreme Court and the whole "Gay Rights" movement.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. (KJV)

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (KJV)

The best thing we can do is say a prayer for those that choose that life style.
Say a prayer for the Justices and leaders of our Nation.
Say a prayer for anybody that doesn't know that homosexuality is wrong that they will be shown what they are doing is an abomination.

[Pulp Fiction]

2 Chronicles 7:14 - If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)

[TheRealVille]

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[TheRealVille]

Maybe now that the high court has cleared the way for that abomination, you guys can start focusing on some more of the abominations that people do, that you have been so quiet on.

[Wildcatk23]

(Now this post is only meant for us that believe in The Bible and Know Jesus as our Savior.)

I know the "knee jerk" reaction is to be upset and aggervated at the Supreme Court and the whole "Gay Rights" movement.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. (KJV)

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (KJV)

The best thing we can do is say a prayer for those that choose that life style.
Say a prayer for the Justices and leaders of our Nation.
Say a prayer for anybody that doesn't know that homosexuality is wrong that they will be shown what they are doing is an abomination.

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads." -- Leviticus 19:27

"When a woman has a discharge of blood, which is her regular discharge from her body, she shall be in her impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening." -- Leviticus 15:19-20

When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand." -- Deuteronomy 25:11-12

"Do not go around as a gossiper among your people..." -- Leviticus 19:16

[TheRealThing]

(Now this post is only meant for us that believe in The Bible and Know Jesus as our Savior.)

I know the "knee jerk" reaction is to be upset and aggervated at the Supreme Court and the whole "Gay Rights" movement.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. (KJV)

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (KJV)

The best thing we can do is say a prayer for those that choose that life style.
Say a prayer for the Justices and leaders of our Nation.
Say a prayer for anybody that doesn't know that homosexuality is wrong that they will be shown what they are doing is an abomination.

All true. And yet, the church has been relatively quiet on the matter for a long time. By yielding to the leadership of the Holy Spirit, we become the salt (preserver) and the light (exposer) or wrong. Part of which means we are to speak out against sin. This doesn't mean we have any authority to actually do anything about things like homosexual relationships other than using God's Word to speak out against the practice, and pray for them. I have said on here that every Christian must vote with the knowledge that they will be held responsible for their votes and their voting record will necessarily exclude them, or include them in the legacy of the damned.

Christians must steer clear of candidates that openly support the gay agenda and the pro choice agenda or suffer the consequences both here and at the judgment.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

This decision is really no surprise and not as monumental as the homosexual community would want you to believe.

The decision makes marriage an issue to be decided under the Tenth Amendment. In other words, each state decides for itself. Marriage is not under the absolute jurisdiction of the federal government.

Actually, all true conservatives are strong supporters of the Tenth Amendment. It is the States Rights Amendment which supports local rule rather than federal rule.

As I have posted before, I am a officially domiciled in Kentucky but also spend a portion of the year in South Carolina. Both of these states are staunchly in support of the sacredness of traditional marriage. Neither is likely to change. Neither, by this ruling, is required to recognize homosexual marriages.

[TheRealVille]

I wish Christians would work on that pork abomination. As much as I love it, that stuff can kill you.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Now in regard to the California case, the Court ruled that the party appealing from the lower court decision had no standing to do so. Thus, the action was dismissed and the decision of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals became the governing decision. Located in San Francisco and often called the "Ninth Circus" because of its "unusual" decisions, the Ninth Circuit is the most reversed circuit in our federal legal system.

So, in truth, the US Supreme Court tended to "punt" on this issue and used a technicality to dismiss the appeal.

Who was the proper party to appeal the Ninth Circuit decision? The State of California through its attorney general. However, since both the attorney general and the governor supported homosexual marriages, the state did not defend the appeal. This action rebutted the vote of 60% of California voters who had overwhelmingly supported traditional marriage.

Therefore, we can conclude that the vote and beliefs of the majority of the people can be ignored by governors as well as presidents.

[TheRealVille]

Here's a whole list of abominations that you guys can work on.


http://www.openbible.info/topics/abomination

[TheRealVille]

Now in regard to the California case, the Court ruled that the party appealing from the lower court decision had no standing to do so. Thus, the action was dismissed and the decision of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals became the governing decision. Located in San Francisco and often called the "Ninth Circus" because of its "unusual" decisions, the Ninth Circuit is the most reversed circuit in our federal legal system.

So, in truth, the US Supreme Court tended to "punt" on this issue and used a technicality to dismiss the appeal.

Who was the proper party to appeal the Ninth Circuit decision? The State of California through its attorney general. However, since both the attorney general and the governor supported homosexual marriages, the state did not defend the appeal. This action rebutted the vote of 60% of California voters who had overwhelmingly supported traditional marriage.

Therefore, we can conclude that the vote and beliefs of the majority of the people can be ignored by governors as well as presidents.

In new polls several years after the vote, the majority of CA voters favor same sex marriage.

[TheRealThing]

Here's a whole list of abominations that you guys can work on.


http://www.openbible.info/topics/abomination

I got all that covered along with every other believer. Here's something for you to work on.


John 6:35-38 (KJV)
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

[TheRealVille]

I got all that covered along with every other believer. Here's something for you to work on.


John 6:35-38 (KJV)
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

So, gays that believe aren't covered?

I'm not a believer.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

In new polls several years after the vote, the majority of CA voters favor same sex marriage.

Of course the outcome of any poll depends upon how a question is worded and where the poll is taken. Polls, in either direction, are meaningless other than as political fodder.

My point is that we have reached a time where the executive officer of a state or of the nation can overrule the will of the people. Whether a liberal or a conservative, I would think that one would find this troubling and destructive.

[TheRealVille]

This decision is really no surprise and not as monumental as the homosexual community would want you to believe.

The decision makes marriage an issue to be decided under the Tenth Amendment. In other words, each state decides for itself. Marriage is not under the absolute jurisdiction of the federal government.

Actually, all true conservatives are strong supporters of the Tenth Amendment. It is the States Rights Amendment which supports local rule rather than federal rule.

As I have posted before, I am a officially domiciled in Kentucky but also spend a portion of the year in South Carolina. Both of these states are staunchly in support of the sacredness of traditional marriage. Neither is likely to change. Neither, by this ruling, is required to recognize homosexual marriages.

Since the court effectively ruled that the federal government can't define marriage as one man, one woman, doesn't that open the door to suing states that try to define it that way?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I regard to polls, I am amused all these polls indicating that Obama is losing support from the populace. Since he won't be running anymore, I'm sure he doesn't care whether the majority likes what he is doing or not. He really doesn't have to answer to the people. He can do, and is doing, what he pleases.

The real game changers, as I see them, are the 2014 Election and the USSC. If Obama gets control of the House of Representatives in 2014, there is nothing to stop him or to rein him in as he "transforms" the country. And, if he ever gets to replace one of the usually conservative members of the Court with another of his stringent liberals, the Court will do his bidding. He has four rubber stamp votes. He just needs one more.

If either or both of these happen, we won't need to be concerned about who eats pork. There will likely be no pork for anyone.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Since the court effectively ruled that the federal government can't define marriage as one man, one woman, doesn't that open the door to suing states that try to define it that way?

I suppose so. Anyone with standing can file a law suit over anything. However, the Tenth Amendment, at least at present, rules the day. Of course, give Obama a chance to replace a conservative justice with one of his own and all bets are off.

I regularly tell my law students that the US Constitution merely says what five of the nine justices say that it says as any given time. Original intent has been lost along the way.

[TheRealThing]

So, gays that believe aren't covered?

I'm not a believer.

I know you're not a believer. Yet, even without the guidance of the Holy Spirit to enlighten you, how you could read Lev 20:13, and ask if gays are covered is beyond logic. Here it is again from the New Testament spelled out in detail;

Romans 1:19-32 (KJV)
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



First bold - God has showed His truth to all men

2nd - Therefore all men are without excuse

3rd - because men choose not to recognize God in their lives, He therefore gives them over to all kinds of lust, particularly grievous is the sin of homosexuality where men will dishonor their own bodies between themselves

4th - God turned them over to 'vile affections' that are against nature. Women together with women and, men abandoning the natural 'use' of the woman, will commit vile sexual acts with other men which do not make sense.

5th - God will judge all who live out the homosexual lifestyle



As I have said. Homosexuality dates back at least as far as the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. So, allowing the so-called gays to live and let live as we always have is one thing. But, when any nation whose government officially recognizes and validates homosexual behavior by legalizing that lifestyle is treading upon the authority of God Himself.

Anybody at all who has a problem with that is in conflict with God, and their argument is with Him. Not to seem flip about that but, since He has already proclaimed that He has revealed Himself to every man and that they are therefore without excuse, IMO men who support homosexuality are by choice in open rebellion to Him. This isn't a matter of making mistakes or misunderstanding God's Word. This is where men rise up and challenge His authority. God help us.

[TheRealVille]

So, when I was a believer, and studied bible on a higher education level, then went to non believer, all that I learned was negated and lost in my mind? Again, Jesus blood covers some things God calls an abominations, yet not other abominations? Your arrogence astounds me.

[TheRealVille]

I like how some believers can be covered by Jesus on things God hates, that they like, yet others can't, if those things God hates coincides with man's hate. The Law is the Law, and all things God hates, he hates equally. If some believers are covered on the abominations, then all believers are. If Christians claim that gays have to turn from their sin by not performing acts God call abominations, then Christians have to turn from their sin by not performing the other abominations. You can't pick and choose, according to your likes, which abominations are covered by the blood.

[TheRealVille]

I suppose so. Anyone with standing can file a law suit over anything. However, the Tenth Amendment, at least at present, rules the day. Of course, give Obama a chance to replace a conservative justice with one of his own and all bets are off.

I regularly tell my law students that the US Constitution merely says what five of the nine justices say that it says as any given time. Original intent has been lost along the way.

According to legal analysts that have discussed the decision wording, they say it is not because of a states rights reason, but because of equal protection.

[TheRealThing]

So, when I was a believer, and studied bible on a higher education level, then went to non believer, all that I learned was negated and lost in my mind? Again, Jesus blood covers some things God calls an abominations, yet not other abominations? Your arrogence astounds me.

The fact that you think it's possible to go from being a believer to a non believer is proof enough how fog bound your heart and mind on the matter really is. When one comes to an understanding about what would happen should he fall off a 10 story building, he believes that if he falls, he will die. He could never lapse into unbelief on the matter as long as he was in his right mind.

It is possible to gain an intellectual knowledge of the scriptures without actually being a believer. As John said;

1 John 2:19 (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

[TheRealThing]

I like how some believers can be covered by Jesus on things God hates, that they like, yet others can't, if those things God hates coincides with man's hate. The Law is the Law, and all things God hates, he hates equally. If some believers are covered on the abominations, then all believers are. If Christians claim that gays have to turn from their sin by not performing acts God call abominations, then Christians have to turn from their sin by not performing the other abominations. You can't pick and choose, according to your likes, which abominations are covered by the blood.

To come to Him in repentance, one must be able to forsake the sin that "doth so easily beset us". The drunk must be in a frame of mind to quit drinking and honor God from that day forward with his life. Same thing with the woman at the well who had a bent for men;
John 4:18 (KJV)
18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

If you truly believe you argument is that clever I suppose you can try and pose it to the Lord when you face Him at the judgment. However, the scripture is clear;
James 2:10 (KJV)
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

It is impossible to keep the law and that is why Jesus had to pay the sin debt for all men when he offered His body a living sacrifice on the cross. Through His gift all who believe on Him will be saved. Talking your way out of responsibility before Him is not possible and no amount of rationalization is ever going to impress the One who had to but speak the universe into existence. So, you me and all men, have only two options. Bow before Him in repentance, accepting the gift of salvation through His voluntary substitutionary death on the cross, of face eternity separated from Him and everything that is good.

[Panther Thunder]

I guess it is just the big issue for the time, but I just hate hearing everyone talk about it and their reasoning is that it is a sin. These are the same people who wouldn't say a word to those partaking in premarital sex or promiscuity. I would just ask that if you fight against something because it is a sin, then don't pick and choose which ones, fight against all sins. Don't be okay with one thing because more people you know do it, and not be okay with something that is not as common.

I am sure if you go through my post and find hypocritical stuff, and that is fine, I am a hypocrite. Just how it is, but I felt it needed to be said.

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

As long as it is left up to the states I am cool with it. I feel like the states can better represent their people than the feds.

[TheRealVille]

The fact that you think it's possible to go from being a believer to a non believer is proof enough how fog bound your heart and mind on the matter really is. When one comes to an understanding about what would happen should he fall off a 10 story building, he believes that if he falls, he will die. He could never lapse into unbelief on the matter as long as he was in his right mind.

It is possible to gain an intellectual knowledge of the scriptures without actually being a believer. As John said;

1 John 2:19 (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Wow, I didn't know he appointed you the authority on whether one could go from believer to non believer, or not.

[SKINNYPIG]

I guess it is just the big issue for the time, but I just hate hearing everyone talk about it and their reasoning is that it is a sin. These are the same people who wouldn't say a word to those partaking in premarital sex or promiscuity. I would just ask that if you fight against something because it is a sin, then don't pick and choose which ones, fight against all sins. Don't be okay with one thing because more people you know do it, and not be okay with something that is not as common.

I am sure if you go through my post and find hypocritical stuff, and that is fine, I am a hypocrite. Just how it is, but I felt it needed to be said.

I don't understand. You mention premarital sex and promiscuity, yet I know of no supreme court ruling, legislation or "legalization" pertaining to either. Who on here do you think condones those, while not condoning same sex marriage?

Please excuse my ignorance if I misunderstood your post.

Personally, I can't go along with government legalizing sin of any kind. I don't like it but, I can live with it. I don't condone any of my own sins, why should I condone the sins of others?

We all sin, every last one of us but, it appears that the same sex crowd are the only ones wanting/demanding acceptance for theirs.

[TheRealThing]

Wow, I didn't know he appointed you the authority on whether one could go from believer to non believer, or not.

I'm sorry. Did the scripture I posted seem vague or too far over your head? Think about it for a second. John said if they had been of us they would have no doubt continued but, their leaving, exposed the fact that they were not actually saved and therefore demonstrably not "of them". I don't know of a single example in scripture of a man going from believer to nonbeliever. New Testament believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit at the time of their conversion.

[Wildcatk23]

I don't understand. You mention premarital sex and promiscuity, yet I know of no supreme court ruling, legislation or "legalization" pertaining to either. Who on here do you think condones those, while not condoning same sex marriage?

Please excuse my ignorance if I misunderstood your post.

Personally, I can't go along with government legalizing sin of any kind. I don't like it but, I can live with it. I don't condone any of my own sins, why should I condone the sins of others?

We all sin, every last one of us but, it appears that the same sex crowd are the only ones wanting/demanding acceptance for theirs.

So your against divorce? And you think you should not be able to have a divorce?

And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." —Mark 1:1-12

I dont hear people on here going on about divorce?


Has a women ever spoken in your church?

"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)


Know any long haired Christians?

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" (l Corinthians 11:14)


My wifes preacher was talking about this today.

Said he used to let this bother him and make him angry. What the government does and allows. Said he no longer lets it bother him. He ended with this.

When I am afraid, I will trust in you. In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me?