[TheRealVille]

by the way how long was Martin's hands left in the open before they were secured?(bagged as evidence?)

I didn't bag his hands, you'll have to ask the examiner. I have heard of people being pulled from underneath water, after being there for awhile, and still have DNA on them? Are you looking for justice, or a way out for Zimmerman?

[TheRealVille]

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Why link the youtube video, and not the quoted words?

[nky]

I didn't bag his hands, you'll have to ask the examiner. I have heard of people being pulled from underneath water, after being there for awhile, and still have DNA on them? Are you looking for justice, or a way out for Zimmerman?

looking at what the jury is hearing and seeing if there's reasonable doubt

[nky]

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http://bewytchme.com/george-zimmerman-le...t-holster/


In the video he says he didn't know where Martin came from, but another time he said he came from behind a tree.

was this presented in court?

[Hoot Gibson]

According to the medical examiner, Martin was 71 inches tall. Did you just make up the "well over 6 feet tall"? Bold: Post #170.

You are the one who just makes stuff up routinely and routinely gets caught doing so. Martin's height was widely reported as being between 6 feet and 6'3" before the medical examiner testified. I am not glued to the TV. Martin's own family was quoted by CBS saying that he was 6'2".

[INDENT]How do Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman compare in terms of body size?
There is some inconsistency in reports of Martin and Zimmerman's height and weight. In the original police report, Martin is described as being 6' tall and weighing 160 pounds. But his family told CBS News that he was 6' 2" and between 140-150 pounds. Zimmerman is described in the police report as standing 5' 9" tall, with no weight listed. In a 2005 police report, Zimmerman's ex-fiance describes him as 5' 7" and according to the Miami Herald he weighs about 200 pounds.
[/INDENT]

[Hoot Gibson]

Why link the youtube video, and not the quoted words?

I posted an excerpt from the transcript. If you doubt the transcript's accuracy, then you can watch it again. I don't think that it's worth 51 minutes of my time.

[TheRealVille]

^ Back to the Zimmerman "on top" discussion, the first witness(the one on the phone with Treyvon) heard Martin say "get off".

[TheRealVille]

You are the one who just makes stuff up routinely and routinely gets caught doing so. Martin's height was widely reported as being between 6 feet and 6'3" before the medical examiner testified. I am not glued to the TV. Martin's own family was quoted by CBS saying that he was 6'2".

Maybe you don't have as much insight into the trial then?

[Hoot Gibson]

^ Back to the Zimmerman "on top" discussion, the first witness(the one on the phone with Treyvon) heard Martin say "get off".

Trayvon's girlfriend, who was caught lying after the incident. Do you really believe that conflicting testimony about who screamed in the distance for help trumps an eyewitness testifying that Martin was beating up Zimmerman, combined the fact that Zimmerman required first aid treatment at the scene? Did you believe that OJ was innocent?

[Hoot Gibson]

Maybe you don't have as much insight into the trial then?

Maybe I don's see watching a trial that should never have been held, and which if it was held, should never have been a national news story, worth my time. I understand what reasonable doubt is when I see it. You are tying yourself in knots trying to explain away the obvious fact that the prosecution has a poor case. As Harry said, if Zimmerman is convicted it will only be because the judge, jury, and prosecutor have been successfully intimidated. The jury will face a choice of sending a most likely innocent man to prison, or possibly seeing rioters kill some other innocent person or persons.

[TheRealVille]

Trayvon's girlfriend, who was caught lying after the incident. Do you really believe that conflicting testimony about who screamed in the distance for help trumps an eyewitness testifying that Martin was beating up Zimmerman, combined the fact that Zimmerman required first aid treatment at the scene? Did you believe that OJ was innocent?

Guilty as hell. You see, I don't let race, or party lines affect what I think in this. If Martin stalked and killed Zimmerman, I'd be calling for his head. If Zimmerman didn't want to be on trial for murder, and face a jury, he should have listened to police, and not followed Martin.

[Hoot Gibson]

Guilty as hell. You see, I don't let race, or party lines affect what I think in this. If Martin stalked and killed Zimmerman, I'd be calling for his head. If Zimmerman didn't want to be on trial for murder, and face a jury, he should have listened to police, and not followed Martin.

We don't live in a police state yet, RV. A dispatcher has absolutely no right to tell any American that they cannot engage in legal behavior. Harry and others have explained this basic fact of civil liberty to you repeatedly, but you do not seem to be paying attention. Besides, "we don't need you to do that" does not constitute the kind of "order" that you keep implying was given. From the time that Al Sharpton and Barack Obama joined forces to racialize this case and the media repeatedly showed Martin's photo as a 12 or 13-year old kid, you have been demonizing Zimmerman and ignoring the abundant evidence that has supported Zimmerman's version of events.

[TheRealVille]

We don't live in a police state yet, RV. A dispatcher has absolutely no right to tell any American that they cannot engage in legal behavior. Harry and others have explained this basic fact of civil liberty to you repeatedly, but you do not seem to be paying attention. Besides, "we don't need you to do that" does not constitute the kind of "order" that you keep implying was given. From the time that Al Sharpton and Barack Obama joined forces to racialize this case and the media repeatedly showed Martin's photo as a 12 or 13-year old kid, you have been demonizing Zimmerman and ignoring the abundant evidence that has supported Zimmerman's version of events.

Zimmerman's version of events has changed more than once. As posted above, one version he reported doesn't hold water, because it was proven improbable in parts, and and impossible in others. Which Zimmerman version are you standing by?

[Hoot Gibson]

Zimmerman's version of events has changed more than once. As posted above, one version he reported doesn't hold water, because it was proven improbable in parts, and and impossible in others. Which Zimmerman version are you standing by?

The one where he required treatment at the scene because of injuries sustained in a scuffle with Martin. The one in which an eyewitness testifying for the prosecution identified Zimmerman as the man on the bottom and on the receiving end of Martin's fists. The defense has not even begun putting on its case and the prosecution has already established reasonable doubt - which is all that an acquittal requires. This is a criminal trial, not a civil trial, and the evidence does not warrant a conviction for second-degree murder. Despite your repeated characterization of this as being a case of a young black man being stalked and murdered for no reason, despite doctored 911 recordings attempting to portray Zimmerman as a racist, despite media attempts to burn the image of a 13-year old boy into the minds of prospective jurors, the facts did not warrant a murder charge.

[TheRealVille]

At least we know Zimmerman's thoughts on a few things, thankfully to Hannity. It was "God's will" that he shot Martin, and that he has no regrets whatsoever, and would change nothing about that day.

[TheRealVille]

The one where he required treatment at the scene because of injuries sustained in a scuffle with Martin. The one in which an eyewitness testifying for the prosecution identified Zimmerman as the man on the bottom and on the receiving end of Martin's fists. The defense has not even begun putting on its case and the prosecution has already established reasonable doubt - which is all that an acquittal requires. This is a criminal trial, not a civil trial, and the evidence does not warrant a conviction for second-degree murder. Despite your repeated characterization of this as being a case of a young black man being stalked and murdered for no reason, despite doctored 911 recordings attempting to portray Zimmerman as a racist, despite media attempts to burn the image of a 13-year old boy into the minds of prospective jurors, the facts did not warrant a murder charge.

The judge disagrees with your professional assessment. Mining engineer, computer guy, now lawyer?

[Hoot Gibson]

At least we know Zimmerman's thoughts on a few things, thankfully to Hannity. It was "God's will" that he shot Martin, and that he has no regrets whatsoever, and would change nothing about that day.

If the events unfolded as he claims, he should have no regrets.

[TheRealVille]

If the events unfolded as he claims, he should have no regrets.

Like I said, which claim?

[Hoot Gibson]

Like I said, which claim?

Asked and answered. You can read the answer above. Martin had no right to assault Zimmerman just because he thought that Zimmerman was a "crazy ass cracker." There is no law against neighborhood watch groups patrolling their own neighborhoods, or even asking people questions.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

The judge disagrees with your professional assessment. Mining engineer, computer guy, now lawyer?

I already told you, in advance, why the judge would deny the emotion to dismiss. If there is a scintilla of evidence for the prosecution, the judge will always let it go to the jury. In this case there is no more than a scintilla. That is how judges work and that is how the system works.

And, I will repeat my statements that the judge has repeatedly ruled in favor of the prosecution in regard to procedural and evidential matters. That is highly unusual. Judges always lean in favor of the accused in this type of trial.

Why the deviation from the norm? I told you in the last paragraph of post number 177. Coercion and the threat of violence.

[TheRealVille]

The screams stopped immediately after the gunshot. Who does that lead you to believe the screamer was. Most likely, if it was Zimmerman screaming, adrenaline would carry his screams on a bit longer. But, these screams stopped immediately.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

The screams stopped immediately after the gunshot. Who does that lead you to believe the screamer was. Most likely, if it was Zimmerman screaming, adrenaline would carry his screams on a bit longer. But, these screams stopped immediately.

Are you now a psychiatrist or just a psychologist? In either case, you are grasping at straws and further indicating that you have no real interest in justice.

The prosecution called his mother and his half brother. Why didn't it call his father? Do you suppose it was because his father, when he first heard the tape, stated that it was not his son's voice?

The other two had been redefined and coached by the prosecution. They were reminded that it was vitally important for them to testify that it was Martin screaming. And, true to form, they followed the script. Now, in respect to the father, after his original statement he couldn't be "rehabilitated". He would have been destroyed on cross.

[TheRealVille]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/05/zi...own-death/

[Hoot Gibson]

The screams stopped immediately after the gunshot. Who does that lead you to believe the screamer was. Most likely, if it was Zimmerman screaming, adrenaline would carry his screams on a bit longer. But, these screams stopped immediately.

:hilarious:A guy is getting his head banged against the pavement and removes the cause of his pain by shooting his attacker, so in your world - that proves that the guy who was allegedly doing the head slamming was the one who had been screaming for help? If Zimmerman had been the man on top, controlling Martin without using his gun, does it make sense to you that he would have pulled that gun and shot Martin dead? If Zimmerman had left his truck with the intent of murdering Martin, then would he not have simply shot him without letting himself be bloodied? Nothing about your theory makes any sense but it is on par with most of your arguments.

[Hoot Gibson]

Are you now a psychiatrist or just a psychologist? In either case, you are grasping at straws and further indicating that you have no real interest in justice.

The prosecution called his mother and his half brother. Why didn't it call his father? Do you suppose it was because his father, when he first heard the tape, stated that it was not his son's voice?

The other two had been redefined and coached by the prosecution. They were reminded that it was vitally important for them to testify that it was Martin screaming. And, true to form, they followed the script. Now, in respect to the father, after his original statement he couldn't be "rehabilitated". He would have been destroyed on cross.

Nobody on the Martin side believes that a "crazy ass cracker" got the best of Martin in a fight. If racism was involved in this case, it motivated Martin to attack Zimmerman for following him.

[TheRealVille]

Nobody on the Martin side believes that a "crazy ass cracker" got the best of Martin in a fight. If racism was involved in this case, it motivated Martin to attack Zimmerman for following him.

Zimmerman was the MMA style trained fighter.

[TheRealThing]

:hilarious:A guy is getting his head banged against the pavement and removes the cause of his pain by shooting his attacker, so in your world - that proves that the guy who was allegedly doing the head slamming was the one who had been screaming for help? If Zimmerman had been the man on top, controlling Martin without using his gun, does it make sense to you that he would have pulled that gun and shot Martin dead? If Zimmerman had left his truck with the intent of murdering Martin, then would he not have simply shot him without letting himself be bloodied? Nothing about your theory makes any sense but it is on par with most of your arguments.

:Thumbs: My thoughts exactly. It isn't about the discovery of, or adherence to truth, with these goofs. They want what they perceive to be their side to win so badly, they are more than willing to parrot the plausible line of rationale du-jour, over the obvious truth as their default position on every cause the liberals get behind. It's funny but then, they have always been the butt of scorn for all but the lemming corps.

[Hoot Gibson]

Zimmerman was the MMA style trained fighter.

Yeah, and lots of people "trained in the martial arts" have had their asses kicked by younger, more athletic men who are in better condition. Then there is the prosecution's eyewitness who testified that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman...reasonable doubt is all that is needed to acquit Zimmerman and it is there for any reasonable person to see. However, it is possible that Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood and then banged the back of his own head into the pavement to provide himself with a defense. Yeah, that must have been what happened...

[TheRealThing]

Zimmerman was the MMA style trained fighter.

Funny thing to me that the only credible witness in this case who, by all accounts seemed to be somewhat less that an enthusiastic witness, said it was Martin on top and that it was he who rained down blows to Zimmerman "ground and pound" style. You gonna blow off this witnesses' testimony too I guess, even if he was called by the prosecution. nicker:

[Hoot Gibson]

:Thumbs: My thoughts exactly. It isn't about the discovery of, or adherence to truth, with these goofs. They want what they perceive to be their side to win so badly, they are more than willing to parrot the plausible line of rationale du-jour, over the obvious truth as their default position on every cause the liberals get behind. It's funny but then, they have always been the butt of scorn for all but the lemming corps.

It would be very funny if such illogical theories were not destroying people's lives everyday.