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10-08-2013, 01:36 PM
http://khsaa.org/10082013-commissioners-...-activity/
Thoughts?
Either way, this is a big announcement and will change the culture of games that everyone is used to watching. Something that is almost second nature to athletes at this point is gone.
-Also, it seems it is a way to wash hands of responsibility (of the KHSAA and their officials) by discouraging it officially. It is not necessarily "banned" from what I can see, but if shaking hands and something does happen, schools can face punishment for it.
If I am misinterpreting something, feel free to correct me.
Thoughts?
Either way, this is a big announcement and will change the culture of games that everyone is used to watching. Something that is almost second nature to athletes at this point is gone.
-Also, it seems it is a way to wash hands of responsibility (of the KHSAA and their officials) by discouraging it officially. It is not necessarily "banned" from what I can see, but if shaking hands and something does happen, schools can face punishment for it.
If I am misinterpreting something, feel free to correct me.
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10-08-2013, 01:48 PM
TNT-MB1 Wrote:I'm sorry but this is stupid. This is part of the game and is the purpose of not being a sore loser.:devilflam
^^^
I'm with this guy. Absolutely ridiculous.
10-08-2013, 01:57 PM
So all of us civil folk will be fine. :Thumbs:
The not so civil folk, if heck breaks loose and they can't play nice in the post game hand shake, will get fined.
It's a shame that a minority of idiots have to complicate matters for the rest of us!
The not so civil folk, if heck breaks loose and they can't play nice in the post game hand shake, will get fined.
It's a shame that a minority of idiots have to complicate matters for the rest of us!
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10-08-2013, 02:54 PM
10/08/2013 â COMMISSIONERâS DIRECTIVE ON POSTGAME ACTIVITY
Several sports have âtraditionsâ regarding postgame handshakes, etc. by team members (both en masse and as individuals), but none of them have such action dictated by playing rules. While it is an obvious sign of sportsmanship and civility, many incidents have occurred both in Kentucky (more than two dozen in the last three years in Kentucky alone) and throughout the country, where fights and physical conflicts have broken out. And this is not restricted to specific sports. In our state alone, incidents in soccer, football and volleyball have occurred this fall.
Unfortunately, the adrenaline and effort required to participate in the sport sometimes seems to deplete the supply of judgement available to participants. And this can be particularly problematic when there is a lack of an appropriate level of adult supervision, or counterproductive actions by the adults involved with the team. After consultation with the Board of Control at its last meeting, the Commissioner is issuing the following directives and recommendations to the schools and officials regarding post game in baseball, basketball, football, soccer, softball, volleyball and wrestling:
Following the contests, officials are to quickly and efficiently leave the playing facility following all rules mandated duties and ensure that the rules book mandated jurisdiction ends promptly. There is no need for officials to secure the game balls, shake hands with the coaches or players, or stick around the playing area for any other reason.
Officials have no role in what goes on in postgame, including handshakes, etc. after jurisdiction has ended. Officials also have NO role in administering this policy. Officials choosing to involve themselves in postgame activities will be penalized appropriately;
Game management and the administration of the participating team(s) are solely responsible for what happens after the contest is concluded.
It is directed that teams and individuals do not participate in organized post game handshake lines/ceremonies beyond that interaction that is required by the NFHS playing rules (i.e. the awarding of a bout winner in wrestling) and the individual unorchestrated actions by individual competitirs;
The coaches and administration of the teams are responsible for the individual conduct of the members of the team following the contest and shall be held accountable for such; and
If the decision is made to ignore this directive and participate in some form of organized postgame handshake line/handshake against this recommendation, it is the expressed responsibility of game management and the coaches and administration of the teams to supervise the activity, to report to the KHSAA any incidents that occur.
Henceforth, any incidents by an individual squad member (including coaches) or group of squad members that results in unsporting acts immediately following the contest will result in a fine against the member school athletic program, and additional penalties against the individuals or schools as deemed appropriate following investigation.
It is disappointing that this action has become necessary, but enough incidents have occurred both in our state and in others, that the necessity has arrived.
Several sports have âtraditionsâ regarding postgame handshakes, etc. by team members (both en masse and as individuals), but none of them have such action dictated by playing rules. While it is an obvious sign of sportsmanship and civility, many incidents have occurred both in Kentucky (more than two dozen in the last three years in Kentucky alone) and throughout the country, where fights and physical conflicts have broken out. And this is not restricted to specific sports. In our state alone, incidents in soccer, football and volleyball have occurred this fall.
Unfortunately, the adrenaline and effort required to participate in the sport sometimes seems to deplete the supply of judgement available to participants. And this can be particularly problematic when there is a lack of an appropriate level of adult supervision, or counterproductive actions by the adults involved with the team. After consultation with the Board of Control at its last meeting, the Commissioner is issuing the following directives and recommendations to the schools and officials regarding post game in baseball, basketball, football, soccer, softball, volleyball and wrestling:
Following the contests, officials are to quickly and efficiently leave the playing facility following all rules mandated duties and ensure that the rules book mandated jurisdiction ends promptly. There is no need for officials to secure the game balls, shake hands with the coaches or players, or stick around the playing area for any other reason.
Officials have no role in what goes on in postgame, including handshakes, etc. after jurisdiction has ended. Officials also have NO role in administering this policy. Officials choosing to involve themselves in postgame activities will be penalized appropriately;
Game management and the administration of the participating team(s) are solely responsible for what happens after the contest is concluded.
It is directed that teams and individuals do not participate in organized post game handshake lines/ceremonies beyond that interaction that is required by the NFHS playing rules (i.e. the awarding of a bout winner in wrestling) and the individual unorchestrated actions by individual competitirs;
The coaches and administration of the teams are responsible for the individual conduct of the members of the team following the contest and shall be held accountable for such; and
If the decision is made to ignore this directive and participate in some form of organized postgame handshake line/handshake against this recommendation, it is the expressed responsibility of game management and the coaches and administration of the teams to supervise the activity, to report to the KHSAA any incidents that occur.
Henceforth, any incidents by an individual squad member (including coaches) or group of squad members that results in unsporting acts immediately following the contest will result in a fine against the member school athletic program, and additional penalties against the individuals or schools as deemed appropriate following investigation.
It is disappointing that this action has become necessary, but enough incidents have occurred both in our state and in others, that the necessity has arrived.
10-08-2013, 03:03 PM
This is crazy. Feels to me like the khsaa is just trying to avoid having to deal with any of the issues that may come from a post game incident. I dont agree with this move at all.
10-08-2013, 03:16 PM
They want to do this type of BS but will not take a stance on transfer and recruits...TOTAL BS!!!! I for one will contact local school officials and tell them I think they should continue with hand shakes after the games. Let me guess, now Cal ripken and little league will say no more. Little League football...no more....Parks and rec leagues....NO MORE!!!
This is the most stupidest thing that I have ever heard of. Half the School Boards in the state will say that if the KHSAA says don't do it, then we better not do it.
I SAY BS TO KHSAA!!!!
This is the most stupidest thing that I have ever heard of. Half the School Boards in the state will say that if the KHSAA says don't do it, then we better not do it.
I SAY BS TO KHSAA!!!!
10-08-2013, 03:22 PM
Seriously.....
10-08-2013, 03:48 PM
So, does this "ruling" effect the post game prayer that I've seen many times over the past few seasons? Appears to me that it does.
10-08-2013, 03:53 PM
Granny Bear Wrote:So, does this "ruling" effect the post game prayer that I've seen many times over the past few seasons? Appears to me that it does.
I certainly hope so.
10-08-2013, 04:12 PM
Well no players are required to participate. And if it offends you so much; don't watch.
10-08-2013, 04:33 PM
FBALL Wrote:I can't imagine any of the coaches I know not having their team shake hands after the game.I can. Just browse through the Riehards scoreboard from last week and imagine a little bit harder. This action might prevent a coach or two from being poked in the nose for kicking sand into his counterpart's face. I think some coaches will welcome an excuse not to look their opponents in the eye after a game.
10-08-2013, 05:04 PM
What is the KHSAA policy regarding concussions? I firmly believe ANY concussion should be evaluated by a neurologist, MRI and other tests. This may cost each schools insurance carrier, but this is better than the possibility of long term problems, ie. depression,suicide or dribbling oatmeal off their chin at age 45.
Concussions should be taken more seriously or I am sure at some point attorneys will get involved and as the NFL, a class action lawsuit will someday be the result.
I have witnessed kids with a concussion playing on, perhaps taken out and back at practice with a simple follow the finger test. Protecting the kids should be the priority, not winning a high school football game.
The KHSAA has eliminated sportsmanship,afraid of a fight. I am more concerned with concussion policy being strict. 1 concussion and you should miss the season,really evaluate whether football is worth it or not before deciding to play the next season.
Concussions should be taken more seriously or I am sure at some point attorneys will get involved and as the NFL, a class action lawsuit will someday be the result.
I have witnessed kids with a concussion playing on, perhaps taken out and back at practice with a simple follow the finger test. Protecting the kids should be the priority, not winning a high school football game.
The KHSAA has eliminated sportsmanship,afraid of a fight. I am more concerned with concussion policy being strict. 1 concussion and you should miss the season,really evaluate whether football is worth it or not before deciding to play the next season.
10-08-2013, 05:12 PM
64SUR Wrote:This is a bad Rule look for coaches to run the score up higher if they no they don't have to shake the other coach hand.BAD RULES :Sad04: :igiveup: :Sad04: :igiveup: :Sad04:Exactly. Poor sportsmanship is too often just taken for granted in Kentucky high school football. This is a step backward. The KHSAA should, if they do nothing else, actively promote good sportsmanship in the events that they govern.
10-08-2013, 05:12 PM
This is typical of our country as a whole! No prayer in school! (no Morals or values).
No sportsmanship in sports!(no Morals or values). Our country is going to H#L! in a handbasket! How are athletes taught to do the right thing? Sure there are going to be ISOLATED INCIDENTS!! Dont punish everyone for the actions of a few. KHSAA is getting just like the Government!!! This is B.S.!
No sportsmanship in sports!(no Morals or values). Our country is going to H#L! in a handbasket! How are athletes taught to do the right thing? Sure there are going to be ISOLATED INCIDENTS!! Dont punish everyone for the actions of a few. KHSAA is getting just like the Government!!! This is B.S.!
10-08-2013, 05:14 PM
voice of reason Wrote:What is the KHSAA policy regarding concussions? I firmly believe ANY concussion should be evaluated by a neurologist, MRI and other tests. This may cost each schools insurance carrier, but this is better than the possibility of long term problems, ie. depression,suicide or dribbling oatmeal off their chin at age 45.
Concussions should be taken more seriously or I am sure at some point attorneys will get involved and as the NFL, a class action lawsuit will someday be the result.
I have witnessed kids with a concussion playing on, perhaps taken out and back at practice with a simple follow the finger test. Protect the kids should be the priority, not winning a high school football game.
I agree 110 percent
10-08-2013, 05:20 PM
Thank you for agreeing. It comes down to money and insurance carriers, not to mention coaches who really don't have the long term best interest at heart...."just win baby" attitude. A kid getting their bell rung is not so funny and should be taken seriously. I have talked to kids that have claimed 5-6 concussions. One way more than that. Not my kid....ever. Football is a great game, it is not worth suffering the rest of your life for, or going through life as a "Duffy"
10-08-2013, 05:26 PM
Most of the time when I've seen a fight or problem after a game it's because the refs has allowed to much to go on to start with and could have been stopped before it ever got started! Why don't KHSAA address there officials rather than try to take something away that needs to be taught to our kids. I'm tried of when one person does something wrong that we punish everyone! Why not punish the ones who cause the problems to start with, and leave everyone else alone! This nothing more than dodging responsibility to be politically correct!!
10-08-2013, 06:15 PM
I didn't take it that the teams could not do this, just the khsaa wants to relieve themselves from responsibility. I hope that every coach in Ky takes matters into their own hands and continues the showing of sportsmanship. Sometimes people totally lose their minds when they get into the role of administrator and lose all touch with reality.
10-08-2013, 06:36 PM
As a player, win or lose, I always wanted to shake the opposing players hands after the game. There are a lot of guys who you compete against, but you also respect them as well. This teaches sportsmanship and builds character. This is an important part of the game, and I hope every program continues to allow there players to take part in the traditional post game handshake.
10-08-2013, 06:47 PM
I sounds to me the khsaa does not want to show any sportsmanship at all. This is just completely wrong. In every sporting event I have ever seen there is always a post game handshake. Only in hockey(NHL) playoffs do they not shake untill the series if over then they line up and shake. Hell this is still the USA the home of the free and the brave. The khsaa has a lot more important issues to worry about than a post game handshake.
At the start of every football game you hear the pa man talk about the sportsmanship of the game. Well with this that throws all that out the window. This is really an unsportsmanlike gesture by not only the khsaa but the whole state if we allow them to do this.
Just what are we teaching the youth of Kentucky by letting this happen.
At the start of every football game you hear the pa man talk about the sportsmanship of the game. Well with this that throws all that out the window. This is really an unsportsmanlike gesture by not only the khsaa but the whole state if we allow them to do this.
Just what are we teaching the youth of Kentucky by letting this happen.
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