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10-08-2013, 06:52 PM
Daddycat27 Wrote:This is typical of our country as a whole! No prayer in school! (no Morals or values).
No sportsmanship in sports!(no Morals or values). Our country is going to H#L! in a handbasket! How are athletes taught to do the right thing? Sure there are going to be ISOLATED INCIDENTS!! Dont punish everyone for the actions of a few. KHSAA is getting just like the Government!!! This is B.S.!
I could not agree with you more!!! Something's got to change and it starts with the KHSAA we need new people in there not the ones that are in control now!
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10-08-2013, 07:17 PM
Gitback Coach Wrote:I certainly hope so.
why is that u dont believe in prayer?
10-08-2013, 07:22 PM
64SUR Wrote::dudecomeon: nothing wrong about a group of kids praying :please:
If I want to go watch a football game, I know where to go. If I want to go hear someone pray or invite me to pray, I know where to go, too, and I don't have to go far.
I just don't understand why some insist so on combining the two. I would never creep down from my Safety spot, enter someone's church and blitz the minister while his head was bowed. Wouldn't be right.
But don't get me wrong. I know where I live, and I know I'm out-numbered. Therefore, I'm wrong.
So please, carry on. Shake (and raise) hands with impunity. Just sayin'.
10-08-2013, 07:33 PM
Gitback Coach Wrote:If I want to go watch a football game, I know where to go. If I want to go hear someone pray or invite me to pray, I know where to go, too, and I don't have to go far.
I just don't understand why some insist so on combining the two. I would never creep down from my Safety spot, enter someone's church and blitz the minister while his head was bowed. Wouldn't be right.
But don't get me wrong. I know where I live, and I know I'm out-numbered. Therefore, I'm wrong.
So please, carry on. Shake (and raise) hands with impunity. Just sayin'.
:HitWall: have you every shake a person hand you didn't like. Have you every bow your head before a game well just maybe you are human :HitWall:
10-08-2013, 08:16 PM
Jarons Wrote:If this is true, what a shame. One of best things in sports is the post game handshake.What the KHSAA did not think about is -what happens when a team lines up to shake hands and the other team choses not to because of this new brain fart by the KHSAA, that will cause more problems than anything that has happened in a handshake line before now.
eriously:
10-08-2013, 08:19 PM
KHSAA is nothing more than a joke anymore...
Win, lose, tie every team should always show good sportsman ship.
Win, lose, tie every team should always show good sportsman ship.
10-08-2013, 08:26 PM
Kids should shake hands after the games, if kids decide to pray after the game that's ok too, If SOME don't like it , they don't have to participate or even look...This rule is one of the dumbest i've seen..
10-08-2013, 09:11 PM
Per Commissioner Tackett
“It is sad that so many have apparently chosen to read small participles of the note above, versus the entirety of the directive and reminder, so I feel the necessity to add specific comments. And admittedly, two totally related paragraphs were not immediately adjacent and that may have caused some people to stop reading at one point, and then not follow through with the rest of the post. While none of the content main material has changed, putting the lines together about both the basics and the option for schools to continue whatever activity provided it is properly supervised. The word “directive” has as one of its meanings/synonyms, “prescription”, which is a recommendation from authority. Clearly this was intended to be at a higher level than simply a recommendation, but not a ban or prohibition, relying on the member school representatives to make appropriate decisions.
Nothing about this directive is etched in stone as far as post game procedures. As the document states, the schools continue to have the option to have postgame handshakes as always, provided they are properly supervised. That was the first part of two main intentions. The first, was to reinforce the requirement for supervision. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, all involved in contests seem to be more aggressive immediately after the contests are concluded and winning with honor and dignity (and losing the same way) doesn’t seem to be being instilled across the board. Sometimes, these attitudes and lack of supervision have resulted in fights/altercations/incidents during postgame periods. In Kentucky alone, this has happened more than two dozen times in the last three years. So the directive to the member schools is simple. Don’t do it, UNLESS you can properly supervise it. And if you don’t supervise it (or if you do and problems occur) then you will be held accountable.
Secondly, and just as critical, don’t expect the officials to police this time period. That has NEVER been the officials’ job at the high school level, and shouldn’t be now.
It’s really that simple. Sportsmanship and civility remain hallmark values. It is my hope that all schools can provide the proper supervision and accountability to continue these types of activities. But if they can’t, then stop doing them.”
http://khsaa.org/10082013-commission...game-activity/
Pretty much meaning that schools can still shake hands after games just as long as they provide supervision.
“It is sad that so many have apparently chosen to read small participles of the note above, versus the entirety of the directive and reminder, so I feel the necessity to add specific comments. And admittedly, two totally related paragraphs were not immediately adjacent and that may have caused some people to stop reading at one point, and then not follow through with the rest of the post. While none of the content main material has changed, putting the lines together about both the basics and the option for schools to continue whatever activity provided it is properly supervised. The word “directive” has as one of its meanings/synonyms, “prescription”, which is a recommendation from authority. Clearly this was intended to be at a higher level than simply a recommendation, but not a ban or prohibition, relying on the member school representatives to make appropriate decisions.
Nothing about this directive is etched in stone as far as post game procedures. As the document states, the schools continue to have the option to have postgame handshakes as always, provided they are properly supervised. That was the first part of two main intentions. The first, was to reinforce the requirement for supervision. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, all involved in contests seem to be more aggressive immediately after the contests are concluded and winning with honor and dignity (and losing the same way) doesn’t seem to be being instilled across the board. Sometimes, these attitudes and lack of supervision have resulted in fights/altercations/incidents during postgame periods. In Kentucky alone, this has happened more than two dozen times in the last three years. So the directive to the member schools is simple. Don’t do it, UNLESS you can properly supervise it. And if you don’t supervise it (or if you do and problems occur) then you will be held accountable.
Secondly, and just as critical, don’t expect the officials to police this time period. That has NEVER been the officials’ job at the high school level, and shouldn’t be now.
It’s really that simple. Sportsmanship and civility remain hallmark values. It is my hope that all schools can provide the proper supervision and accountability to continue these types of activities. But if they can’t, then stop doing them.”
http://khsaa.org/10082013-commission...game-activity/
Pretty much meaning that schools can still shake hands after games just as long as they provide supervision.
10-08-2013, 09:22 PM
There have been over 24 post game fights in the last three years in our fine state. What did you expect the KHSAA to advise?
10-08-2013, 09:28 PM
I always thought there was supervision! Don't the coaches walk the lines too? Just khsaa way of taking backwater!!!
10-08-2013, 09:28 PM
Strikeout King Wrote:KHSAA is nothing more than a joke anymore...
Win, lose, tie every team should always show good sportsman ship.
Here we go, it's the KHSAA that is ruining High School sports. It's the same thing we have heard about the NFL, how Goodell is ruining football because he is making it two hand tag. Just is it is not Goodell who is ruining the NFL, when the blame is over 2,000 former NFL players who are suing the league for not taking care of them, the KHSAA and every State in the country has to now protect against - L-I-T-I-G-A-T-I-O-N!
We can all be upset over this. It's a shame that it has come to this. But hey, I'm a HS coach that has to hear the BS that comes from the bleachers directed at umpires and opposing players! Yes, we all want the world to be perfect, but when you get garbage that comes from the bleachers, parents chasing officials, fans getting into fights with other fans; sorry folks, we have already lost the battle of sensibility! We all want it to be like the good ole' days, but the good ole' days was not dictated by a class action lawsuit!
10-08-2013, 09:31 PM
panther nation Wrote:I always thought there was supervision! Don't the coaches walk the lines too? Just khsaa way of taking backwater!!!
Like I said, 24 documented incidents have occurred in the state where I'm sure there were coaches in the line....
10-08-2013, 09:31 PM
Stardust Wrote:Here we go, it's the KHSAA that is ruining High School sports. It's the same thing we have heard about the NFL, how Goodell is ruining football because he is making it two hand tag. Just is it is not Goodell who is ruining the NFL, when the blame is over 2,000 former NFL players who are suing the league for not taking care of them, the KHSAA and every State in the country has to now protect against - L-I-T-I-G-A-T-I-O-N!
We can all be upset over this. It's a shame that it has come to this. But hey, I'm a HS coach that has to hear the BS that comes from the bleachers directed at umpires and opposing players! Yes, we all want the world to be perfect, but when you get garbage that comes from the bleachers, parents chasing officials, fans getting into fights with other fans; sorry folks, we have already lost the battle of sensibility! We all want it to be like the good ole' days, but the good ole' days was not dictated by a class action lawsuit!
Fans fighting with other fans is the home school's fought not the KHSAA.
10-08-2013, 09:35 PM
mysonis55 Wrote:How about instead of doing away with sportsmanship try this. Use some of the gate money from each game to pay a law enforcement agency to have someone there to ensure they can do this without problems.
I was thinking the same thing..
10-08-2013, 09:37 PM
So does this mean no coin toss hand shakes either?
Can't have one without the other right?
Can't have one without the other right?
10-08-2013, 09:38 PM
I like how this is a suggestion, and oh by the way if something happens KHSAA is in no way liable and you will be fined, but just a friendly suggestion
10-08-2013, 09:55 PM
mysonis55 Wrote:How about instead of doing away with sportsmanship try this. Use some of the gate money from each game to pay a law enforcement agency to have someone there to ensure they can do this without problems.
I don't know about other schools, but at Knox Centrals home games there is always 3-4 on duty police officers there and some that are off duty. We have never had a problem one way or another at any football games.
So maybe some police presents might help with the fans in the stands. As far as the players go that's all on the coaches to control thier players.
10-08-2013, 09:56 PM
Stardust Wrote:Like I said, 24 documented incidents have occurred in the state where I'm sure there were coaches in the line....As a 14-year old, I was a member of an all-star baseball team playing in a state tournament game that became involved in a wild post-game brawl. The instigators were the two teams' coaches, with one of our coaches allegedly responding to "fighting words" uttered by one of the other team's coaches. Four coaches hit the ground rolling and wrestling over a bat and the players from both teams rushed onto the field and started throwing punches. A large contingent of state police officers attended our team's next game in the tournament.
Sometimes coaches are more to blame than players for post game incidents, and coaches should be held responsible for player misconduct and their own misconduct after games. If they have no control over their own players, then they have no business coaching them. If my parents had realized the behavior that our coaches condoned and modeled, my baseball career might have ended with that road trip. :biggrin:
10-08-2013, 10:00 PM
^
Well said
Well said
10-08-2013, 10:13 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:As a 14-year old, I was a member of an all-star baseball team playing in a state tournament game that became involved in a wild post-game brawl. The instigators were the two teams' coaches, with one of our coaches allegedly responding to "fighting words" uttered by one of the other team's coaches. Four coaches hit the ground rolling and wrestling over a bat and the players from both teams rushed onto the field and started throwing punches. A large contingent of state police officers attended our team's next game in the tournament.
Sometimes coaches are more to blame than players for post game incidents, and coaches should be held responsible for player misconduct and their own misconduct after games. If they have no control over their own players, then they have no business coaching them. If my parents had realized the behavior that our coaches condoned and modeled, my baseball career might have ended with that road trip. :biggrin:
Absolutely correct. And I'm sure the coaches in these High Schools that the 24 incidents took place were disciplined. So, how do you eliminate this from ever happening again in a High School sport? Trust me, coaches have to diffuse tempers in many games per year. I'm not advocating the elimination. I've participated or coached in probably a few thousand games in my life and I can't remember a time where the two teams have not participated in a postgame hand shake. But, in this litigation happy society, and the fact that it does happen in our very state, as well as across the country. How do you eliminate it and protect schools and taxpayers from having to pay for litigation of a single incident?
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