[TNT-MB1]

Ryle doesn't play till Saturday but I plan to attend one game Friday.

I am really interested to see what happens on Friday. Will players do it anywayor will they just wave at the otherside (:hilarious

I mean I understand what Stardust is saying and get why they did it but holy shizza.

In turn I think this will cause more blowouts which will cause more tension IMO.


No more fear of getting socked in the face if you drop a 55 point lead on the other side I guess. :popcorn:
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[Pulp Fiction]

Being in law enforcement..... I can tell you for a fact.

When a new policy, procedure or regulation is adopted, 99 times out of 100, somebody has either threatened legal action or has made the dept./office look bad in the media or bad with "the powers that be".

And even more so, you can write out the guilty parties name beside the new policy, date, location and what exactly happened.

Our Country has transformed into everybody is looking for a "Free Ticket" by way of lawsuits or other legal action.


Look at all the new rules in the NFL about tackling and hits. The game has transformed..... Because former players "Most of which are broke" are suing the NFL for Concussions and other injuries sustained while playing.

[Hoot Gibson]

Absolutely correct. And I'm sure the coaches in these High Schools that the 24 incidents took place were disciplined. So, how do you eliminate this from ever happening again in a High School sport? Trust me, coaches have to diffuse tempers in many games per year. I'm not advocating the elimination. I've participated or coached in probably a few thousand games in my life and I can't remember a time where the two teams have not participated in a postgame hand shake. But, in this litigation happy society, and the fact that it does happen in our very state, as well as across the country. How do you eliminate it and protect schools and taxpayers from having to pay for litigation of a single incident?

In areas where juries often see themselves as slot machines full of free money to dispense, there is no easy answer. In my opinion, eliminating contact between teams before and after games would just increase the potential stress and animosity among coaches, players, and fans. Until a majority of Americans regain their ability to render reasonable and fair verdicts and understand that there is no such thing as free money, the ambulance chasing variety of attorney will continue to thrive in our society.

When I lived in Indy, the football players and coaches from Warren Central and Ben Davis, which are huge rivals that have played each other at least once annually for many years, got together for a large dinner on the Thursday night before their regular season game. I thought it was a great tradition. I don't know if the two teams still meet for dinner each year, but I thought it was a great way to promote sportsmanship before a big game.

If I was a high school principal, I would insist that my coach have the team line up to shake hands after games unless there was good reason to believe that the opposing coach had no control of his own team. I don't remember playing any games where there were no post game handshakes. When you have just played a great game in a losing effort, it is great to hear some encouraging words from the opposing coaching staff and/or players. It is part of the game and the first step in putting it behind you.

[64SUR]

How in the H$$ll did the hand shake become a big problem.was all 24 incidents over a hand shake.because if I every shake mysonis55 hand I'm going to buy him a coke or ask him for some water.:truestory:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Coming next.....Michelle Obama forces all high school lineman to go on a diet so obesity doesnt effect our young kids. I cant wait to see those 155 pound tackles.

[Granny Bear]

The KHSAA is dodging responsibility and liability. It's money, folks...like everything else is.

Not only will they NOT be responsible, they will levy fines against the participating schools, in their righteous indignation.

Hey, I have a radical thought. Why not make the coaches and, most of all, the PARENTS responsible for their kids' actions?? THAT way, instead of making money, or in this case losing money in a law suit, we teach our kids responsibility, sportsmanship, respect and most importantly....it's okay to lose. Yeah, the kids work their guts out to be the best player, and we fans are screaming to the top of our lungs in their support. But every game has a loser, and it's okay to lose...even with your best effort.

Anymore, it appears to me that we are teaching our kids to win at all costs. And I mean ALL costs. It's a shame.

[panther nation]

:hilarious:

Coming next.....Michelle Obama forces all high school lineman to go on a diet so obesity doesnt effect our young kids. I cant wait to see those 155 pound tackles.

:truestory:

[nky]

Come on guys this is serious stuff! The KHSAA is just trying to protect our kids and coaches.
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[Belfry_99]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/09/ken...andshakes/

[Stardust]

Have we all forgotten who the KHSAA is? Does anyone believe that Julian Tackett made this decision? Does anyone actually believe that the KHSAA is this independent entity that sits back and decides the fate of schools? Nope! Julian Tackett is the figurehead who has passed down the decisions that YOUR schools have dictated through committee! The High Schools themselves dictated this rule, and the KHSAA's responsibility is to communicate it and take heat from those who don't really know who the proper people are to cast the blame at! Go to your school administrators if these types of decisions bother you. Find out how your school voted, or see if they will provide you the list of schools who were on the committee so you can send them nasty emails......

[Stardust]

How in the H$$ll did the hand shake become a big problem.was all 24 incidents over a hand shake.because if I every shake mysonis55 hand I'm going to buy him a coke or ask him for some water.:truestory:

It's 24 reported incidents! I'm sure there are other coaches on here, and they can tell you that there are a few games per year where you are diffusing tempers in your own dugout, sideline or bench! Though the numbers are statistically low, the opportunity is there! Like I said, I'm not saying I like the idea of not having handshakes at the end of a game, but I understand the logic of why this is being pushed by the schools!

[AnotherPirateTD]

KHSAA doesn't want anything to do with it but if there is a problem after the game just let them know so they can SPANK you.

[panther nation]

Espns Herm Edwards says that this decision is a very bad one. " you have to have this in sports. If the kids can't act like gentlemen or ladies then bench them. It's up to coaches and parents to teach them sportsmanship."

[64SUR]

It's 24 reported incidents! I'm sure there are other coaches on here, and they can tell you that there are a few games per year where you are diffusing tempers in your own dugout, sideline or bench! Though the numbers are statistically low, the opportunity is there! Like I said, I'm not saying I like the idea of not having handshakes at the end of a game, but I understand the logic of why this is being pushed by the schools!

I undersrand the logic behind this SK :Sad04: sad day in sports across the USA

[plantmanky]

Just for knowledge sake for everyone, the Board of Control Voted on this in their last meeting (as it says in the letter) my understanding was it was an unanimous vote to implement this directive.

[TouchdownJaguars]

Congratulations to the KHSAA or whoever is responsible for this!! Fox sports has a report on all this and it makes the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky look like a bunch of complete heathens!! I'm sure other states have the same kind of things going on but that is failed to be mentioned in the story. For one I'm proud of my heritage and proud to be from the Bluegrass state!! But I'm sick and tired of putting up with what a FEW thinks is right REGARDLESS of what the majority of the people think so they can be politically correct!!

[panther nation]

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LEXINGTON, Ky. (WKYT) - It's become standard after any kind of sporting event. Players and coaches on both sides meet to shake hands, but that tradition could be ending for Kentucky high schools.

The Kentucky High School Athletic Association recommended players and coaches avoid the post-game handshakes. And this has people talking across the state.

Serve, spike, and tip are just a few things volleyball players do during a game. And after the match, they line up, shaking hands with their opponent.

"It seems kind of rude not to shake hands," said Rainey Twilla, a freshman volleyball player at Bryan Station High School.

It's a tradition many high school sports partake in. But now the KHSAA wants no part in any post-game activities. An announcement on Tuesday by the KHSAA recommends handshakes following a game are no more.

The coaches, both for Bryan Station and East Jessamine high schools, were briefed before the match Tuesday night by the referees. They put the ball in their court on what they would decide. Whether to shake hands was an easy decision for Coach Bonnie Bollmer with the varsity volleyball team at Bryan Station High School, never having an issue with one of her girls on the court.

"They've never lashed out, and they're always very respectful," said Coach Bonnie Bollmer.

But that's not the case with all high school players across the Bluegrass. KHSAA officials released that more than a dozen fights have broken out during what was supposed to be a sign of sportsmanship.

"I really do find it sad," said Coach Bollmer. "I really find it disappointing."

"When you meet someone for the first time, you always shake their hand. You always thank them in that way in meeting them. And I think it's the same thing when you're playing a sport," said Rose Robinson, a parent of a volleyball player at East Jessamine High School. "That goes for any sport."

At Tuesday night's volleyball game, KHSAA referees told coaches that they will no longer play a role in administering this policy with the players when the game is over. So the players and coaches decided to do it themselves, supervising it and lining up on the court. And win or lose, coaches at Bryan Station High School say they plan to continue in the future.

Now, if schools decide to participate in this post-game handshake anyways, then it must be supervised. Also, if any unsportsmanlike conduct follows this handshake, it can result in a fine against the school's athletic program.

[mysonis55]

Herm Edwards said that because he has common sense and is a class act. I cant imagine anyone defending this. I understand the reason and the fact that they want to avoid payouts, that haven't even happened yet. Why are we the only state concerning ourselves with it. The bible belt should be the last one to experience this. We are about teaching our children good morals.

[RIPKIN]

Have we all forgotten who the KHSAA is? Does anyone believe that Julian Tackett made this decision? Does anyone actually believe that the KHSAA is this independent entity that sits back and decides the fate of schools? Nope! Julian Tackett is the figurehead who has passed down the decisions that YOUR schools have dictated through committee! The High Schools themselves dictated this rule, and the KHSAA's responsibility is to communicate it and take heat from those who don't really know who the proper people are to cast the blame at! Go to your school administrators if these types of decisions bother you. Find out how your school voted, or see if they will provide you the list of schools who were on the committee so you can send them nasty emails......

This was a board of control decision.It wasn't brought before the school disrticts to vote.And why would you think Julian didnt make the decision.He is head of KHSAA.It has to go through him.It was an OBAMA decision!!! "Im doing it and I dont care if you like it"He thinks its right and it doesnt matter if the majority of the schools do not like it.

[OffTheHook]

I'll prolly be ribbed all to heck for this. I also see nothing wrong with shaking hands after a match. That being said.

Not trying to be a bad sport. But, I agree. I have seen too many altercations, words and physical, during the hand shakes.

But, I'm a die hard baseball guy and that's the way they have always done it.

I always had skaking hands with the other team. Especially after a spanking.


I also agree with all the post above. Great points. Guess you could call me a fence straddler.

[mysonis55]

Ripken, be careful. Don't forget the Patriot at. He can monitor us. We might get sanction from DC for mention the supreme ruler.

[Allsports#1]

Omg! ESPN is talking about this on TV now. This makes Kentucky high school sports look great.


Herm Edwards said that because he has common sense and is a class act. I cant imagine anyone defending this. I understand the reason and the fact that they want to avoid payouts, that haven't even happened yet. Why are we the only state concerning ourselves with it. The bible belt should be the last one to experience this. We are about teaching our children good morals.

[Sports dad]

Legislators rip KHSAA handshake rule on social media

Posted on October 8, 2013 by Joseph Gerth


Kentucky House Minority Leader Jeff Hoover on Tuesday ripped a new rule by the KHSAA that discourages schools form allowing students to shake hands following sporting events, saying the association’s commissioner and board members should be sacked.
“I am so upset. Julian Tackett, the commissioner, and any other KHSAA board member who supported this policy should be IMMEDIATELY AND FORTHWITH FIRED!” Hoover, a Jamestown Republican and a former high school football player, wrote on Facebook.
In his post, Hoover wrote the decision was a “clear sign of stupidity.”
The decision was made after several fights and altercations in recent years as athletes shook hands at the end of games. The policy change appears to be a recommendation as much as a directive.
The only penalty for schools that disobey the order would come in the form of fines, only if the post-game handshake were to result in an altercation.
State Sen. Robin Webb, D-Grayson, jumped in, responding to Hoover’s Facebook post, calling for a new law overturning the Kentucky High School Athletic Association ruling.
“I think we should file a bill, to override. My son coaches high school and middle school soccer we have so many good kids and coaches, it is an insult to the majority!” she wrote.
Later, in response to another commenter on Facebook who called for more oversight, Hoover responded, “(I)f I don’t do anything else come General Assembly 2014 session, you can bet your last $$$ that the General Assembly will have some say about ‘oversight and management and function’ of KHSAA…..count on it.”
When Hoover took to Twitter to vent his frustration there, Senate Majority Leader Damon Thayer wrote, “These folks at KHSAA aren’t known for great decisions for student-athletes. This one is the worst.”
This isn’t the first time legislators have threatened to rein in the KHSAA. There was talk of legislative action when the association considered private public and private school championships and when it considered new eligibility rules aimed at private schools.

- See more at: http://blogs.courier-journal.com

[Pulp Fiction]

This move is done by the KHSAA so when (not if, because somebody will file and name the KHSAA as a responsible party) an incident occurs, the KHSAA can say we had a policy in place so something like this didn't happen.

I would hate to see a juvenile's or 18 year old's life ruined because in the heat of competition, they loose their cool for just a split second and they have to live with that for the rest of their life.

Back in the day, a little skirmish between teams before, during or after the game was just that. It didn't wind up on FB or YouTube. And after the game was over, chances are, it was already forgot about. But you can forget that nowadays.

[Blau Vogel]

There have been over 24 post game fights in the last three years in our fine state. What did you expect the KHSAA to advise?

An average of 8 post game fights per year in nearly 40,000 events...

I picked a random school and looked at their REGULAR season schedules for baseball (34), Softball (30), B basketball (28), G basketball (26), B soccer (20), G soccer (17) and volleyball (33). That is 188 contests excluding any playoffs. Multiply that by 200 schools (37,600) times 3 years equals 112,000.

It seems to me that this is a VERY minor problem. There are probably many, many more fights DURING contests...I think the KHSAA should send out a directive prohibiting any athletic event so as to avoid altercations. (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

It happens in all walks of life, organizations, and often times our bosses make rules for the simple reason they can and they need to justify their existence.

[charlie22]

My thoughts on the subject, which are just that: my thoughts. If you disagree (and it seems like most people posting on here will), that's okay:

I don't want to shake the hand of a player that played dirty the entire game as his handshake at that time will be meaningless to me. If he wants to call me or text me the following week and apologize, that's fine. Likewise, I don't need to shake the hand of a player that demonstrated great sportsmanship the entire game; his actions on the field already proved he had class.

Shaking one's hand does not mean anything to me compared to how a kid played on the field.

There are plenty of other much more effective ways coaches and more importantly parents can stress sportsmanship to the players. For example: coach sees one of his players take a cheap shot, the coach immediately pulls the player for the rest of the game; disciplines him in practice the following week; and then gives him a second chance. If the player does it again, the player is off the team. For example: parents don't yell and scream like idiots (often using profanity) at opposing players and coaches and at refs; they lead by example. Doing that will do a much better job of instilling sportsmanship than some window dressing shaking of the hands afterwards.

I do find the new rule is somewhat embarrassing to the state, because it's an acknowledgement by the KHSAA that we have kids and coaches that can't control their emotions and lack sportsmanship. Remember the brawl between Fulton County and another team (Caldwell Co?) a few years back? The video of that disgusting event was seen nation-wide. I was on the BOC at the time, and I got contacted by friends all over the country telling me how embarrassing that event was to Kentucky. Now that event was truly embarrassing.

Finally, as for those complaining it's about the money, what if it is? Just where do you think the KHSAA's money comes from? It comes primarily from the schools' membership dues (your tax dollars) and ticket revenues at state championship games (your pocket if you attend). In other words: the KHSAA's money comes from me and you! So if the new rule results in the KHSAA not getting their pants sued off; if it results in the KHSAA not having to spend a large chunk of money in legal fees or to settle a big lawsuit, you should be extremely happy.

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

Espn and Herm Edwards take up this subject on espn. Thank God, herm said he hopes this ruling does not go into effect. If it does then he says his team would shake hands!!!!! Thank you HERM.

[EKUAlum05]

An average of 8 post game fights per year in nearly 40,000 events...

I picked a random school and looked at their REGULAR season schedules for baseball (34), Softball (30), B basketball (28), G basketball (26), B soccer (20), G soccer (17) and volleyball (33). That is 188 contests excluding any playoffs. Multiply that by 200 schools (37,600) times 3 years equals 112,000.

It seems to me that this is a VERY minor problem. There are probably many, many more fights DURING contests...I think the KHSAA should send out a directive prohibiting any athletic event so as to avoid altercations. (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

It happens in all walks of life, organizations, and often times our bosses make rules for the simple reason they can and they need to justify their existence.

Of those 24 fights I wonder how many were escalations from lax officiating during the game?

Kids don't just choose to fight after the game simply because they lost. Typically there is a specific confrontation that has been building the entire evening with an opposing player that could either be diffused or at the very least made aware to the coaching staff by a KHSAA official.

The problem comes when kids are able to jaw and throw cheap shots throughout the evening over and over without punishment by the officials or coaches. In defense of the coach, if the official doesn't flag it or notify the coach it may be hard to pick up on.

There have been countless instances where a Coach has held an angry player out of the post-game hand shake.

Certianly is unfair to say this would remedy all the instances... but tighter officiating from a KHSAA crew would certainly help in some of these instances for sure.

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

Yes, it is embarrassing to the state of Ky and Mr. Tackett that ESPN talks negatively on this subject. EMBARRASSING !!!

[Stardust]

An average of 8 post game fights per year in nearly 40,000 events...

I picked a random school and looked at their REGULAR season schedules for baseball (34), Softball (30), B basketball (28), G basketball (26), B soccer (20), G soccer (17) and volleyball (33). That is 188 contests excluding any playoffs. Multiply that by 200 schools (37,600) times 3 years equals 112,000.

It seems to me that this is a VERY minor problem. There are probably many, many more fights DURING contests...I think the KHSAA should send out a directive prohibiting any athletic event so as to avoid altercations. (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

It happens in all walks of life, organizations, and often times our bosses make rules for the simple reason they can and they need to justify their existence.

Ask Dale which High Schools made up the committee to create this directive! The KHSAA made no decision, it was the schools of committee that did, and Julian made the announcement (thus gets paid very well by all the High Schools who pay membership fees to participate in the KHSAA, just to be criticized for the actions that the schools themselves decide but are too afraid to tell their own fans)
It happens in all walks of life, organizations, and often times our bosses make rules for the simple reason they can and they need to justify their existence.