[fb fan]

Listen guys if you have such a problem with are school system and its sports programs. How about you guys come on down and talk about it like grown men. Youguys hide behind your little compter screen names and type garbage that you know nothing about. Correct me if I am wrong but I dont think there is a member that supports johnson central school system that has not given his real name. I guess that the deference around here from you guys. We aint scared!

Lions do not fear the opion of sheep!

LOL.....Now I know why JC feels the need to hold back kids. Evidently it takes more than 12 yrs. of schooling to learn how to spell and use correct grammar. :biglmao:

[brown_ind1977]

Hey buddy I never claimed to be perfect! My grammer and spelling may not be the best. Lol but at least I am not a troll or an a** whole. I dont go to other threads and wine and cry about hold backs. You are one big a** cry baby! Johnson Central has one of the top academic programs in the state.

[fb fan]

I knew I would get bashed for even bringing this up. And if you read my post I said "I actually agree with you all if a kid is going to be a 13yr. old freshman or a 17yr old senior". My problem is when several kids in each class do it collectively for the benefit of the sport alone. And yes when a coach is supportive of this. He doesn't have to sit down in some kids house and convince him. He can do it other ways. It is not about one or two doing it that is the problem. But when you have class after class with several doing it. I think it should be looked into. Again so we don't misunderstand......I AGREE WITH A KID WHO WOULD BE 13 AS A FRESHMAN OR A KID WHO WOULD GRADUATE AT 17!! BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WHEN 8 TO 10 KIDS EVERY YEAR STAY BACK JUST FOR FOOTBALL. You can't tell me there are that many kids that need to be held back every year. Just so happens they are good football players. Come on man we all know better. And YES KHSAA JUST INFORCED A NEW RULE THAT GOES INTO PLACE 2014. IF THEY STAY BACK IN MIDDLE SCHOOL THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO PLAY THAT YEAR. Also if they are not in line to graduate legally, meaning turning 19 prior to Aug. of their senior year, THEY WILL BE ineligible THEIR ENTIRE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS. CHECK IT OUT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

[fb fan]

Hey buddy I never claimed to be perfect! My grammer and spelling may not be the best. Lol but at least I am not a troll or an a** whole. I dont go to other threads and wine and cry about hold backs. You are one big a** cry baby! Johnson Central has one of the top academic programs in the state.

And you sound like a dumb redneck that don't have a bit of sense on how to debate a topic. Sounds like I really got under your skin their big boy. Now I know why you hold back. People like you need an extra year of schooling to become a productive citizen in this world. I'm sure your grade point average didn't help Johnson Centrals averages out as being on of the top academic programs in the state. However I will agree with you, your school system is a good system. NEVER said it wasn't IDIOT. My topic wasn't even directed at the academics numb nuts. It was directed at A FOOTBALL PROGRAM FOR A DIRE NEED TO HOLD BACK KIDS SO THAT THEY CAN COMPETE AT A HIGH LEVEL AND MAYBE,,,,JUST MAYBE BEAT A NORTHERN KY TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS. You dirtbag piece of SH**!!!!!!

[Pulp Fiction]

I knew I would get bashed for even bringing this up. And if you read my post I said "I actually agree with you all if a kid is going to be a 13yr. old freshman or a 17yr old senior". My problem is when several kids in each class do it collectively for the benefit of the sport alone. And yes when a coach is supportive of this. He doesn't have to sit down in some kids house and convince him. He can do it other ways. It is not about one or two doing it that is the problem. But when you have class after class with several doing it. I think it should be looked into. Again so we don't misunderstand......I AGREE WITH A KID WHO WOULD BE 13 AS A FRESHMAN OR A KID WHO WOULD GRADUATE AT 17!! BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WHEN 8 TO 10 KIDS EVERY YEAR STAY BACK JUST FOR FOOTBALL. You can't tell me there are that many kids that need to be held back every year. Just so happens they are good football players. Come on man we all know better. And YES KHSAA JUST INFORCED A NEW RULE THAT GOES INTO PLACE 2014. IF THEY STAY BACK IN MIDDLE SCHOOL THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO PLAY THAT YEAR. Also if they are not in line to graduate legally, meaning turning 19 prior to Aug. of their senior year, THEY WILL BE ineligible THEIR ENTIRE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS. CHECK IT OUT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

And you sound like a dumb redneck that don't have a bit of sense on how to debate a topic. Sounds like I really got under your skin their big boy. Now I know why you hold back. People like you need an extra year of schooling to become a productive citizen in this world. I'm sure your grade point average didn't help Johnson Centrals averages out as being on of the top academic programs in the state. However I will agree with you, your school system is a good system. NEVER said it wasn't IDIOT. My topic wasn't even directed at the academics numb nuts. It was directed at A FOOTBALL PROGRAM FOR A DIRE NEED TO HOLD BACK KIDS SO THAT THEY CAN COMPETE AT A HIGH LEVEL AND MAYBE,,,,JUST MAYBE BEAT A NORTHERN KY TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS. You dirtbag piece of SH**!!!!!!

Why did you use Johnson Central specifcally? Isn't there around 270-280 schools under the KHSAA??
But you decided to use only one school.......

If you "agree" like you say you do, then why did you name just one school in the title?

I can never remember (I'm just 28) a player at JC missing his senior year for being 19 prior to Aug. 1st.

[Crossbones]

This is an honest ?. And like I said, I have no problems with holdbacks. But, do they have "8-10 holdbacks every year" like has been stated?

[fb fan]

Why did you use Johnson Central specifcally? Isn't there around 270-280 schools under the KHSAA??
But you decided to use only one school.......

If you "agree" like you say you do, then why did you name just one school in the title?

Because that is the school that I keep hearing about in this area of the state. And yes I am in eastern ky. I am in firm agreement, like I said about a 13 yr. old freshman or a 17 yr. old senior needing to be looked at for holdback purposes. My question is simply this. Is it a common practice at JC to hold back GROUPS of kids that so happen to play football? I know it is legal, but don't you agree it does give a huge advantage in respect to any sport for that matter. Again we are talking about GROUPS OF KIDS BEING HELD BACK.

[Pulp Fiction]

What the parents decide to do with their kids IS THEIR BUSINESS!

If a child is having some learning issues in elem. school with some subjects, and they need to go back a grade to make sure they are where they need to be.... then so be it.


I'm 1000% positive that coach Matney doesn't go to every pee-wee and elem. school game and meet with parents to have 30 kids held back together to they can play on the high school team in 9 more years.

[Pulp Fiction]

Because that is the school that I keep hearing about in this area of the state. And yes I am in eastern ky. I am in firm agreement, like I said about a 13 yr. old freshman or a 17 yr. old senior needing to be looked at for holdback purposes. My question is simply this. Is it a common practice at JC to hold back GROUPS of kids that so happen to play football? I know it is legal, but don't you agree it does give a huge advantage in respect to any sport for that matter. Again we are talking about GROUPS OF KIDS BEING HELD BACK.

Give it up bro.....

The answer is No.

[brown_ind1977]

And you sound like a dumb redneck that don't have a bit of sense on how to debate a topic. Sounds like I really got under your skin their big boy. Now I know why you hold back. People like you need an extra year of schooling to become a productive citizen in this world. I'm sure your grade point average didn't help Johnson Centrals averages out as being on of the top academic programs in the state. However I will agree with you, your school system is a good system. NEVER said it wasn't IDIOT. My topic wasn't even directed at the academics numb nuts. It was directed at A FOOTBALL PROGRAM FOR A DIRE NEED TO HOLD BACK KIDS SO THAT THEY CAN COMPETE AT A HIGH LEVEL AND MAYBE,,,,JUST MAYBE BEAT A NORTHERN KY TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS. You dirtbag piece of SH**!!!!!!

Dirtbag piece of sh**! Lol funny thing is I give you my name. Hell if you go back and look I give my email address which would give you a direct phone number to me. If you like I can make it easier I can pm you my phone number pal. Its easy to act all tough when you can behind your little key board.

There is one thing we can agree on though you have gotten under my skin. Wasn't you numb nuts or was that your other user name.

[Bob Seger]

Because that is the school that I keep hearing about in this area of the state. And yes I am in eastern ky. I am in firm agreement, like I said about a 13 yr. old freshman or a 17 yr. old senior needing to be looked at for holdback purposes. My question is simply this. Is it a common practice at JC to hold back GROUPS of kids that so happen to play football? I know it is legal, but don't you agree it does give a huge advantage in respect to any sport for that matter. Again we are talking about GROUPS OF KIDS BEING HELD BACK.

What we have here folks is a grown man ,so eat up with jealousy....He couldn't get the job done himself, so what is he to do, but to bring up stuff like this on a message board. It's just what little bitty men, that are/were failures themselves do, I guess....

[Pulp Fiction]

Dirtbag piece of sh**! Lol funny thing is a give my name. Hell if you go back and look I give my email address witch would give you a direct phone number to me. If you like I can make it easier I can pm you my phone number pal. Its easy to act all tough when you can behind your little key board.

There is one thing we can agree on though you have gotten under my skin. Wasnt you knumb nuts or was that your other user name.

Easy big dog.....

[brown_ind1977]

Fbfan I sent you a message

[WideMiddle03]

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[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

If you can look at a prepubescent child and know prior to fifth grade that they are going to be a great ball player, then you my friend have an unbelievable amount of knowledge. Kids that age grow at completely different rates. And I would make the argument that the middle schools would benefit much more then high schools would by a hold back. Thing that bugs me is that you can't tell me anything negative that comes of it. Sounds like either a.) you tried to be an athlete in school and failed miserably or b.) you are trying to live through your own child and unfortunately he or she just isn't that good or c.) your just a pansy.

[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

Pulp I tried to send u a pm check ur inbox

[FreightShaKer]

So this team that Highlands slaughters around each year and will slaughter around this year is a bunch of 19 year olds. Awesome.

Highlands needs to worry about taking a beating this week by elder instead of jc

[Pulp Fiction]

Pulp I tried to send u a pm check ur inbox

Haven't gotten it yet....




10:16 am

[OffTheHook]

I knew I would get bashed for even bringing this up. And if you read my post I said "I actually agree with you all if a kid is going to be a 13yr. old freshman or a 17yr old senior". My problem is when several kids in each class do it collectively for the benefit of the sport alone. And yes when a coach is supportive of this. He doesn't have to sit down in some kids house and convince him. He can do it other ways. It is not about one or two doing it that is the problem. But when you have class after class with several doing it. I think it should be looked into. Again so we don't misunderstand......I AGREE WITH A KID WHO WOULD BE 13 AS A FRESHMAN OR A KID WHO WOULD GRADUATE AT 17!! BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WHEN 8 TO 10 KIDS EVERY YEAR STAY BACK JUST FOR FOOTBALL. You can't tell me there are that many kids that need to be held back every year. Just so happens they are good football players. Come on man we all know better. And YES KHSAA JUST INFORCED A NEW RULE THAT GOES INTO PLACE 2014. IF THEY STAY BACK IN MIDDLE SCHOOL THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO PLAY THAT YEAR. Also if they are not in line to graduate legally, meaning turning 19 prior to Aug. of their senior year, THEY WILL BE ineligible THEIR ENTIRE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS. CHECK IT OUT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

Why don't you look at these numbers a little more.

JC's classes average over 200 kids in each class. With your numbers. You are talking roughly 5% and that's on the high end. Heck it's prolly much higher than that state wide. Heck little ole Paintsville's is that high and they don't have 250 kids in the entire High School.

But, I can promise you. There are a lot more than 10 kids staying back each year and it's NOT just for football. MOST are for other reasons as you mentioned. I even know quite a few that hasn't been held back, that I wished were!


Also...this was happening back when I was in the 8th grade and that was in 1982! Looong before Matney. So just get over it and enjoy some great High School Football.

[Pulp Fiction]

If you can look at a prepubescent child and know prior to fifth grade that they are going to be a great ball player, then you my friend have an unbelievable amount of knowledge. Kids that age grow at completely different rates. And I would make the argument that the middle schools would benefit much more then high schools would by a hold back. Thing that bugs me is that you can't tell me anything negative that comes of it. Sounds like either a.) you tried to be an athlete in school and failed miserably or b.) you are trying to live through your own child and unfortunately he or she just isn't that good or c.) your just a pansy.

Nailed it.

[FBfan4life]

Dirtbag piece of sh**! Lol funny thing is I give you my name. Hell if you go back and look I give my email address which would give you a direct phone number to me. If you like I can make it easier I can pm you my phone number pal. Its easy to act all tough when you can behind your little key board.

There is one thing we can agree on though you have gotten under my skin. Wasn't you numb nuts or was that your other user name.

Sir, respectfully. This is my first post on here on this particular topic. Are you still stuck on me and the other guy as the same user? Thought I have explained that to you already in reference to me working in uniform and watching your middle school play/ participate in the state tournament here in Lexington ( Lafayette HS ), which you never answer me back BTW. I am sorry you feel that way, but I have nothing else to convince you that we are not the same user. Good luck Friday and hope JC continue to roll and do damage in the playoffs.

[Eagle Pride 90`]

Because that is the school that I keep hearing about in this area of the state. And yes I am in eastern ky. I am in firm agreement, like I said about a 13 yr. old freshman or a 17 yr. old senior needing to be looked at for holdback purposes. My question is simply this. Is it a common practice at JC to hold back GROUPS of kids that so happen to play football? I know it is legal, but don't you agree it does give a huge advantage in respect to any sport for that matter. Again we are talking about GROUPS OF KIDS BEING HELD BACK.

OK I'll bite. I don't know why but here it goes. Does JC have a number of hold backs? Yes. Are there any more holdbacks at JC than there are at other eastern Kentucky schools? Doesn't seem to be. Were the holdbacks held back as a group to make a better football program? NO. I have five children that have went through or are going through the Johnson county school system. The two older kids were not held back (two girls) the three younger ones were (two boys and a girl). I can honestly say that one of my biggest regrets is NOT holding back the two older girls. All three of my kids were held back in elementary school. One of my boys was having trouble with reading and English when he was very young so I held him back in the fourth grade. That is the year the state mandates students to do portfolios. He turned 19 in feb his senior year. He will start his first game this week as a true freshman at Cumberland (#2 NAIA team in the country). If I had not held him back there is NO way he would have received as good as athletic and academic scholarship as he did. The other two were held back in the fifth grade for size and maturity. Both are doing very well in the class room and on the field. The way I see it so far holding my kids back have put $27,500 per year in my pocket so far and if things play out right and the other two wish to duplicate that it could be $330,000 (27,500 * 12 years of college for three kids). That really is a tough call for me, should I worry about what the minority thinks or should I do what's right for my children. My question to you is what will or would you do.

[Cat Daddy]

It is very common throughout the state and nation that kids get held back on a regular basis. A lot of kids start thier freshman year of college at nineteen years old. It is not illegal to hold a child back, so therefore everyone can take advantage of this specific rule. It is quite common for a group of kids who play a specific sport to be held back, especially in Middle School. I know in Breathitt County the majority of your better athletes are hold backs. I know a lot of kids this rule has helped out tremendously, and given the fact if they were not allowed to be held back, may have led to them not receiving an athletic or academic scholarship. In my opinion, it sounds like a paticular individual is upset with Johnson Central being so dominant this year, rather than being concerned with the rule itself. Good luck to the Eagles, and I am looking forward to you guys bringing home a state title to the mountains this year.

[EKUAlum05]

It is very common throughout the state and nation that kids get held back on a regular basis. A lot of kids start thier freshman year of college at nineteen years old. It is not illegal to hold a child back, so therefore everyone can take advantage of this specific rule. It is quite common for a group of kids who play a specific sport to be held back, especially in Middle School. I know in Breathitt County the majority of your better athletes are hold backs. I know a lot of kids this rule has helped out tremendously, and given the fact if they were not allowed to be held back, may have led to them not receiving an athletic or academic scholarship. In my opinion, it sounds like a paticular individual is upset with Johnson Central being so dominant this year, rather than being concerned with the rule itself. Good Luck Golden Eagles, and bring home a state title back to the mountains this year.

What the OP is missing is the fact this is a parental decision, not affiliated with the school/program itself.

This is not meant as an indictment on Johnson Central, but even in the mid 90's JC often had several hold backs at the Middle School Level. This was 2 or 3 coaches prior to Matney.. so it is obvious it is not conclusive that it is solely dependent on a coach "trying to make his team better". As with any decision of this matter, it is more about the Jones' Effect moreso than anything. Once one parent does it.. and it is successful (whether it be academic, athletic, or socially) then other parents will do likewise.

Even if a school has no knowledge whatsoever, it won't stop parents from doing it and potentially competing with one another because they want their kid to be the best and give them the best opportunity for scholarships (athletically or academically) and/or the best chance to be more mature socially or physically by the time they reach those critical years of Middle School or High School when physical appearance and self confidence are so critical. There is no way you should fault a parent for this.. there is also little to no chance you can place any blame on an athletic program unless they verbally endorse this process.

Holdbacks are very common. The only people who typically take exception and point them out are people who have struggled with a loss and want to point the finger anywhere but internally. "Holdbacks" to Middle School Football are as "Recruiting" is to the High Schools. A buzzword that wreaks of butt hurt and typically a crutch to those who need an excuse as to why they can't win.

[brown_ind1977]

What the OP is missing is the fact this is a parental decision, not affiliated with the school/program itself.

This is not meant as an indictment on Johnson Central, but even in the mid 90's JC often had several hold backs at the Middle School Level. This was 2 or 3 coaches prior to Matney.. so it is obvious it is not conclusive that it is solely dependent on a coach "trying to make his team better". As with any decision of this matter, it is more about the Jones' Effect moreso than anything. Once one parent does it.. and it is successful (whether it be academic, athletic, or socially) then other parents will do likewise.

Even if a school has no knowledge whatsoever, it won't stop parents from doing it and potentially competing with one another because they want their kid to be the best and give them the best opportunity for scholarships (athletically or academically) and/or the best chance to be more mature socially or physically by the time they reach those critical years of Middle School or High School when physical appearance and self confidence are so critical. There is no way you should fault a parent for this.. there is also little to no chance you can place any blame on an athletic program unless they verbally endorse this process.

Holdbacks are very common. The only people who typically take exception and point them out are people who have struggled with a loss and want to point the finger anywhere but internally. "Holdbacks" to Middle School Football are as "Recruiting" is to the High Schools. A buzzword that wreaks of butt hurt and typically a crutch to those who need an excuse as to why they can't win.

Amen!^^^^^^^^^^

[jlow]

So lets hear all the teams that people think have numerous hold backs on there teams. I have already heard from a lot of people in eastern ky that it is a common practice for Johnson Central to hold "GROUPS OF KIDS" for the sake of building a power football program. So lets hear of some other schools that do the same.

Lagrange, I mean Eddyville#$@# COME ON MAN----- roll tide

[tomcatfan722000]

I'm an Ashland fan and this thread upsets me. JC is just a good football program. Everyone who plays them just needs to deal with it and get better. This is just as crazy as the highlands players living in Cincy talk

[Boonie]

Seems to me that holding back boys is becoming the norm in most places where the parents have the luxury of being able to do so.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

If Johnson Central was the same team of just a few years ago this would not even be a topic. With success comes haters.

[fb fan]

Fbfan I sent you a message

Funny I don't have one in my private message inbox. Maybe you should try again........:biglmao: