[Can you dig it?]

There has been alot of rumors swirling but I think they will quickly die out. I still do not see a Warner firing scenario being brought up especially because Siple is the name rumors are throwing around and I doubt he will move to a 3rd program in 3 years.

I thought Siple was going to be a lock for the Dixie job. To be honest, I think he's finding that the community isn't wholly behind the team at Grant, which is undoubtedly a bit frustrating for him. I'd put the Ryle job in the same category as the Dixie job as far as potential is concerned, and I think Kevin would jump at the chance to coach there.

[UK1fan]

Other talent-
O-Line
They will have one of the best O-Lines next season big and very talented-
Expected size & weight entering next season matter off season of building-
LT- sr- Teepen 6'4.5" 250 (2yr varsity)
LG- Sr- Hall 6' 270 (2yr varisty)
C- sr- Ross 6'3" 290 (3year varsity)
RG- Jr- Hiles 5'11" 220 (2 year)
RT- Soph- C.Ross 6'2" 260 (1st)
TE- sr - Brownell 6'3" 240 (3 year)

WR-
Arnwine -sr- 6'4" 220 - Offseason of training he could be a star. Height & speed are there. Hands need a little work
Beadle- jr- 6' 180 - Easily the most aggressive WR I have ever seen. Big play feel to him
Pogliano- 5'10 150- could fit in as a Ryan Hill type Slot

ATH- England- 6'3" 200- the talent is there for him to be a star D-1 recruit great speed and hands.

RB- Woolf- Sr- 6'0" 230- I think they will diminish his offensive role and focus him more on the defensive side.
RB- McGregor- Jr- 5'10" 180- flashes of brilliance this season. Tons of potential.
Rb- Batman- JR - 5'10" 170- fast back I would expect him in a spell back role.
FB- Jarvis- Jr- 5'8" 200- fire plug with the ball and will get you the tough 3 yard runs all day long.

QB- ? 6'4" Brandt has a nice arm and decent enough speed. But can his head game improve enough to trust him as QB. Rytlewski is 1 concusion from being done playing football do you risk working with him and investing him as QB #1.

Defense-
New kid Sam - sr- DT- 6'3 240 - for his size he has great hands and foot speed he came along very nicely to end the season
Woolfe- sr- LB - has potential to be a top LB in nKY
Belk- sr- LB- they moved him to OLB at the end of the season. I really liked the fit because he has decent speed to cover TEs and most slot recievers.
Meiman- Jr- LB- 6' 220- I expect a big season to put his name on the map for 2015.
Mason Locke- 5'9" 145- sr- CB- played big at the end of season I think he will be very impressive next year.
Brownell- DE- Tall strong fast could easily play Safety if needed.
Brandt- S- this could be a wild card but he has good defensive instincts.

Other positions I think are all open competition at this point.

None of those kids are that big.

[Thunder Lips]

Ryle has been fairly successful the past 10 years winning 2 region titles and making the state championship game once in 2006. There have been 4 losing seasons in those 10 years and 5 times they have exited in the first round of the playoffs.

Are the expectations of the fan base/Ryle community higher than the actual talent base at the school? Freshman football world championships do not always equate to successful high school seasons.

Also, with all the talk of how the "Union Raiders"(and I think Cooper, Conner, and Boone have done the same) is the greatest thing ever thought out, has it really helped football at those schools? Football at the Boone County schools is the worst it has ever been.

[Canes]

As far as I know Conner and Boone County don't have feeder programs. Cooper has the Union Jaguars and the first 8th class will be Jr's this coming year. The 8th grade class won the Super Bowl in the NKYFL league with 17 players. I would guess 5 or 6 of those kids started as Sophomores this year. The Union Raiders started a year or two before the Jags and they have been very successful but it doesn't look like it's paid off for them yet.

[Raiderforlife]

Ryle has been fairly successful the past 10 years winning 2 region titles and making the state championship game once in 2006. There have been 4 losing seasons in those 10 years and 5 times they have exited in the first round of the playoffs.

Are the expectations of the fan base/Ryle community higher than the actual talent base at the school? Freshman football world championships do not always equate to successful high school seasons.

Also, with all the talk of how the "Union Raiders"(and I think Cooper, Conner, and Boone have done the same) is the greatest thing ever thought out, has it really helped football at those schools? Football at the Boone County schools is the worst it has ever been.

I think you are missing the obvious. It is true that freshman championships are not necessarily an indication of varsity success however they do suggest that players have a grasp of the fundamentals. In this case kids seam to peak as freshman. It appears that player development is not occurring at the varsity level.

To be clear Ryle and Cooper are the only programs that have a feeder system. To answer your question it clearly helps as seen by the results of the freshman team at Ryle. The issues are above the feeder system.

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None of those kids are that big.

Projected

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I think you are missing the obvious. It is true that freshman championships are not necessarily an indication of varsity success however they do suggest that players have a grasp of the fundamentals. In this case kids seam to peak as freshman. It appears that player development is not occurring at the varsity level.

To be clear Ryle and Cooper are the only programs that have a feeder system. To answer your question it clearly helps as seen by the results of the freshman team at Ryle. The issues are above the feeder system.

Last 2 freshman programs prove the success. The issue that came with this program is the success at these levels made the group of parents closer than any group I have ever seen come thru Ryle. They have seen Ryle go 3-8 and 2-9 the past two seasons and are the main Reason for the Warner rumors and the hot seat moving to Warner. They know they have a few talented groups and are not afraid to be very vocal with there opinion as a group. Especially because of the offensive success those teams had. The Warner style O is also a driving factor for this group.


With a 5-15 record and 0-2 playoff record the past two seasons I see why the heat is coming but at the same time i have seen the success Warner has had and have been thru the up and downs.

And the closeness is not a bad thing it is great for the community and the Ryle program. It also helps to hold individuals responsible as there is no excuse for anything less than success with these groups. Ryle had a strong program being built I would consider the last two seasons a slight setback but Ryle will return to dominance as they should. I would compare Ryle to an early Highlands community with more talented athletes. The foundation has been laid they just need to get back to fundamentals and renew the conquest for dominance.

[Canes]

IMO the current Ryle program reminds me of the Higlands program in the 80's which many refer to as the dark years. I would argue that they don't even have the best program in Union Ky. Warner will be let go when the the talented players from Union end up at Cov Cath, Beechwood, NCC or Highlands.

[Raiderforlife]

IMO the current Ryle program reminds me of the Higlands program in the 80's which many refer to as the dark years. I would argue that they don't even have the best program in Union Ky. Warner will be let go when the the talented players from Union end up at Cov Cath, Beechwood, NCC or Highlands.

And this goes to the heart of the problem. Many of our parents have made it clear that they are planning to move their kids if the current HC remains. It's an easy move seeing that we already have Cov Catholic signs at the entrance of all our neighborhoods. We have lost a minimum of five students over the last two years to other local schools.

[bluedad1]

One of the key issues I see with the success of the Ryle Freshman program is that while yes, they certainly win, they also win with the same 12-13 players playing all or certainly most, of the minutes. I would bet you that this past year, even in games where they were beating teams by 30+, the vast majority of starters were still in the game.
Freshman football should be about development, retention and as a result, winning. Out of the 35 or so kids standing on this years Frosh sideline, they had maybe 12-13 playing 98% of the minutes. My guess is that of the remaining 20-22 kids, that half of them won't come back for their Soph year. We will see.

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One of the key issues I see with the success of the Ryle Freshman program is that while yes, they certainly win, they also win with the same 12-13 players playing all or certainly most, of the minutes. I would bet you that this past year, even in games where they were beating teams by 30+, the vast majority of starters were still in the game.
Freshman football should be about development, retention and as a result, winning. Out of the 35 or so kids standing on this years Frosh sideline, they had maybe 12-13 playing 98% of the minutes. My guess is that of the remaining 20-22 kids, that half of them won't come back for their Soph year. We will see.

Follows the Ryle tradition. nicker:
I remember when I played we had 49 kids to start my Freshman season. By the end of that season due to grades, injuries or quitting we were down to 32 eligible players entering the Ship. The next season 14 players returned for there sophomore season, 11 originals for the junior season and then 8 originals for the senior season.

Same complaints- Offensive style, no playing time, positions players had no desire to play, players in incorrect positions, limited JV time.

This is why I do not believe Warner will be fired. Parents have a 3-4 year life in the Ryle program and are moved on. When there done the complaining stops and they are forgotten.

Warner is not a bad coach his record has proved it. His problem is he lacks an Offensive Minded coach that he has in the past whether is was Teegarden, Parker, Townsend, or even Davis. He plays hardnosed ground & pound football.

I am sure he is feeling the pressure because its not just the Jr & Sr parents complaining this time its 8th graders all the way up to Srs.
I would expect to hear that he has brought in a few much needed position coaches soon.

[Raiderforlife]

Follows the Ryle tradition. nicker:
I remember when I played we had 49 kids to start my Freshman season. By the end of that season due to grades, injuries or quitting we were down to 32 eligible players entering the Ship. The next season 14 players returned for there sophomore season, 11 originals for the junior season and then 8 originals for the senior season.

Same complaints- Offensive style, no playing time, positions players had no desire to play, players in incorrect positions, limited JV time.

This is why I do not believe Warner will be fired. Parents have a 3-4 year life in the Ryle program and are moved on. When there done the complaining stops and they are forgotten.

Warner is not a bad coach his record has proved it. His problem is he lacks an Offensive Minded coach that he has in the past whether is was Teegarden, Parker, Townsend, or even Davis. He plays hardnosed ground & pound football.

I am sure he is feeling the pressure because its not just the Jr & Sr parents complaining this time its 8th graders all the way up to Srs.
I would expect to hear that he has brought in a few much needed position coaches soon.

His biggest problem at this point is that the community at large is openly discussing there concerns. Those discussions are occurring at all levels. Add to that the Principal's kid is a freshman and I think you have all the ingredients for a dismissal.

[Whatittakes2B#1]

A lot of great insights & speculation of the Ryle football program. Anyone that is a football fan, player or coach knows that coaches at high school, college and Pro have a ticking clock to produce a successful program which is not just measured by wins & losses. Rather by developing players where they are best suited to succeed on & off the field. Warner's clock should have expired 2 years ago.
Ryle has plenty of talent at many key positions and most of the kids have played together for years and been successful until being grinded down by Warner. Its hard for any player to be successful when every week they have no ideal what position they will be thrown into.
Just a few examples are Arnwine, England, Brandt, Pogliano & Logan Ross
Arnwine played in Florida and can dominate at WR but, is used to block for Ryles running game.
England who is a deadly threat at TE or WR has been put on defense, RB & then QB against Butler. Throw a kid in at QB that hasnt played QB for playoff & you get what resulted in game.
Brandt played QB in Plano TX and then Threw 13 TD passes as 8th grader to England in Boone football league. has been starting QB, then moved to DE, DT, Punter & cornerback all in last 5 games.
Pogliano would be great slot receiver- good hands, speed & moves but is used most at QB.
Logan Ross a great blind side Off. tackle who has been at center all year even though he is not the best snapper which is the key skill for a center.

Every week the coach tries a new experiment that becomes a bad joke for the players, fans & a gift to the opposing coaches that say they know what Ryle's offense is going to do before every play.

Imagine if you had good center snapping to Brandt at QB throwing the ball 30+ times to England, Arnwine, Pogliano and Lex Mcgregor & Vince Jarvis out of backfiel who can both catch the ball out of backfield. Logan Ross protecting that critical blind side. Then Ryle would be able to run the ball.

Ryle has the talent to have offense like Conner, SK, Dixie, Cov Cath if you had a coach that benchmarked & modeled those offenses, not the 1979 offense they currently run.

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Add to that the Principal's kid is a freshman

That's the added X factor that makes it a tad different lol.

[CJTank74]

Follows the Ryle tradition. nicker:
I remember when I played we had 49 kids to start my Freshman season. By the end of that season due to grades, injuries or quitting we were down to 32 eligible players entering the Ship. The next season 14 players returned for there sophomore season, 11 originals for the junior season and then 8 originals for the senior season.

Same complaints- Offensive style, no playing time, positions players had no desire to play, players in incorrect positions, limited JV time.

This is why I do not believe Warner will be fired. Parents have a 3-4 year life in the Ryle program and are moved on. When there done the complaining stops and they are forgotten.

Warner is not a bad coach his record has proved it. His problem is he lacks an Offensive Minded coach that he has in the past whether is was Teegarden, Parker, Townsend, or even Davis. He plays hardnosed ground & pound football.

I am sure he is feeling the pressure because its not just the Jr & Sr parents complaining this time its 8th graders all the way up to Srs.
I would expect to hear that he has brought in a few much needed position coaches soon.

In your opinion, what position coaches need to be addressed?

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In your opinion, what position coaches need to be addressed?

QB/WR/DB

If Harden is staying OC need to move Wilfe to ends and DL Belk/ collie LBs
DB coach

Warner - TEs
QB coach
WR coach

[Mission1]

QB/WR/DB

If Harden is staying OC need to move Wilfe to ends and DL Belk/ collie LBs
DB coach

Warner - TEs
QB coach
WR coach

I can't see Harden staying as OC, if that's the case Warner should be let go.
Warner can work with Coach Ryan on the line, just stay away from skill positions and who plays there.
Needs are:
OC Coach
QB Coach
WR Coach

DB Coach - can be Harden

[CJTank74]

QB/WR/DB

If Harden is staying OC need to move Wilfe to ends and DL Belk/ collie LBs
DB coach

Warner - TEs
QB coach
WR coach

Don't they already have a DL coach??? Shows up on the website anyways.

[currybill]

A lot of great insights & speculation of the Ryle football program. Anyone that is a football fan, player or coach knows that coaches at high school, college and Pro have a ticking clock to produce a successful program which is not just measured by wins & losses. Rather by developing players where they are best suited to succeed on & off the field. Warner's clock should have expired 2 years ago.
Ryle has plenty of talent at many key positions and most of the kids have played together for years and been successful until being grinded down by Warner. Its hard for any player to be successful when every week they have no ideal what position they will be thrown into.
Just a few examples are Arnwine, England, Brandt, Pogliano & Logan Ross
Arnwine played in Florida and can dominate at WR but, is used to block for Ryles running game.
England who is a deadly threat at TE or WR has been put on defense, RB & then QB against Butler. Throw a kid in at QB that hasnt played QB for playoff & you get what resulted in game.
Brandt played QB in Plano TX and then Threw 13 TD passes as 8th grader to England in Boone football league. has been starting QB, then moved to DE, DT, Punter & cornerback all in last 5 games.
Pogliano would be great slot receiver- good hands, speed & moves but is used most at QB.
Logan Ross a great blind side Off. tackle who has been at center all year even though he is not the best snapper which is the key skill for a center.

Every week the coach tries a new experiment that becomes a bad joke for the players, fans & a gift to the opposing coaches that say they know what Ryle's offense is going to do before every play.

Imagine if you had good center snapping to Brandt at QB throwing the ball 30+ times to England, Arnwine, Pogliano and Lex Mcgregor & Vince Jarvis out of backfiel who can both catch the ball out of backfield. Logan Ross protecting that critical blind side. Then Ryle would be able to run the ball.

Ryle has the talent to have offense like Conner, SK, Dixie, Cov Cath if you had a coach that benchmarked & modeled those offenses, not the 1979 offense they currently run.

I agree with every thing you wrote. If you will please list your starting line up for next years winning season.

[Whatittakes2B#1]

The key to the coaching questions has to begin with a change at Head Coach immediately. A true head coach is a leader that will assess and develop the respective assistant coaching positions- most importantly will give then the autonomy to do their jobs. Some of the current coaching staff may stay but, is irrelevant if the Head Coach does not change. Under Warner now & in the past, assistant coaches have been trumped by Warner so even the ones that had talent to make a difference were not able to do so. This is why in similiar situations for companies & teams they change the top leader. A fish rots from the head down.
Ultimately if the change doesnt occur then A.D. Demler & Principal Turner are responsible which tarnishes Ryle High Schools reputation.
The fact that there are so many past & present players & their parents that unanimously feel Warner is not good for the program puts Demler & Turner in a very precarious situation. Please post your comments & feedback.

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Don't they already have a DL coach??? Shows up on the website anyways.

Yes I'm just Saying generically they really don't have bad position coaches on the defense. The defense just got snake bits by injuries and forced sophomores into Varisty time guarding opposing seniors.

[NKYfootballfan91]

Who is the Ryle AD?

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Who is the Ryle AD?

Mr. Jim Demler

He doesn't like losing I can promise you that. He was the girls soccer coach before he was AD. He went 49-27-1 record in four seasons. And also has a good record of winning coaches (excluding Boys BBall).
But hopefully there BBall new coach will take them to the promise land.

[raiderjack]

If there's to be a new head coach wouldn't we have heard by now?

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No usually would happen after the banquet and after the state finals. Ryle is the type of school that would scout coaches and if they don't see anything better they would keep there hand.
Plus Warner had been there so long that I doubt anything would change until after the holidays.

I still think NOTHING will happen though.

[Pick6]

Another possibility is that Ryle may want to talk to coaches of teams still playing.

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Another possibility is that Ryle may want to talk to coaches of teams still playing.

Maybe there looking at Butlers OC.
nicker:nicker:nicker::thatsfunn

[Fly Like a Duck]

Those 1979 offenses are still alive all across most all classes going into the Semis. Three of the four in 6A fit into this category:

1) Meade Co (Wing T and Wishbone)
2) Scott Co (Wing T)
3) Butler (Power football from every way imagineable)

[TNT-MB1]

Those 1979 offenses are still alive all across most all classes going into the Semis. Three of the four in 6A fit into this category:

1) Meade Co (Wing T and Wishbone)
2) Scott Co (Wing T)
3) Butler (Power football from every way imagineable)

Meade and Scott will lose to the Lville teams Friday. Butler also incorporates nice stretch passes

[Fly Like a Duck]

Meade and Scott will lose to the Lville teams Friday. Butler also incorporates nice stretch passes

Wouldn't shock me one bit, just saying they are still alive. 6A Semis is a pretty dang good year.

Yes, Butler does. You can incorporate nice stretch passes from a multitude of schemes/formations as I'm sure you well know.