[Jumper Dad]

What is the purpose of this thread other than to stir up an issue that isn't an issue.

And for some of you that don't understand...Independent Schools Systems like Danville, Middlesboro, Highlands, Corbin, Somerset, Hazard and many more ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS just like County Schools across the state...there is NO Difference in them and your local County School System, except for the fact that they are in the middle of another school district. Kinda like the Vatican is in the middle of Rome Italy, but is it's own Independent Country/State.

[Onespiritedfan]

How very "Christian" of you to point out all of the social ills perpetuated by those public school buffoons!

Besides, sexual abuse and subservience to a corrupt institution is such a small price to pay for a "real" education, eh?

Bravo!

That was a low blow!!!!

[FBfan4life]

What is the purpose of this thread other than to stir up an issue that isn't an issue.

And for some of you that don't understand...Independent Schools Systems like Danville, Middlesboro, Highlands, Corbin, Somerset, Hazard and many more ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS just like County Schools across the state...there is NO Difference in them and your local County School System, except for the fact that they are in the middle of another school district. Kinda like the Vatican is in the middle of Rome Italy, but is it's own Independent Country/State.

Just correct me if Im wrong here... But is there not a fee if you want to attend these Independent schools if a kid/ students is not in that district? Just an example, If a kid who lives in the county like Boyle, but wants to attend school in the city like Danville HS.

[Jumper Dad]

Depends on the agreement between systems. The state gives all public schools X amount of funding for each student. Some systems require that the lost funding is paid to the district losing the student...I think different schools do it different ways.

It has to do with the county system losing student revenue, that's why there is sometimes fees associated with kids going to independent schools within another system.

By the same token there are plenty of kids living in the Independent Districts that go to the County Systems all across the state.

[FBfan4life]

Depends on the agreement between systems. The state gives all public schools X amount of funding for each student. Some systems require that the lost funding is paid to the district losing the student...I think different schools do it different ways.

It has to do with the county system losing student revenue, that's why there is sometimes fees associated with kids going to independent schools within another system.

By the same token there are plenty of kids living in the Independent Districts that go to the County Systems all across the state.

Thanks, just needed a clarification.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Why, after reading this, do I feel the same way I do when talking to a used car salesman? Hmmm

It's that haughtiness that you demonstrate. You give the appearance of lecturing down to people. In other words, you come off as an effete snob, sir. Pikeville is an independent school system, not private, and therefore I guess you can lump us in with the rest of the "government" schools as you so eloquently label us. I'd put our education, test scores, and achievements right up there against your school systems without a second thought. By the way, don't look now, but if I'm not mistaken, there is a least one school system in Northern Kentucky that has a Pikeville High School graduate as the superintendent.

We must, of course, teach to the tests. Government mandated and all, you know. Of course, those fine Catholic schools, in order to be accredited, must also meet the same standards. GASP. That would mean.... No, it is unimaginable. They have to teach to the same educational standards? The horror! Such high and bright minds taught to the same minimum standards as those of us who bask amongst the great unwashed?

At the risk of further inciting your wrath against private schools, I must state that the information contained in your last paragraph is grossly incorrect. But, then, who cares? Why confuse you with the true facts?

Overall, we have inferior government schools in the Commonwealth which are teaching more social and political correctness and less reading, writing, and arithmetic. No honest person, private or government, can deny that.

So, instead of continually taking shots at the private schools, why don't you improve the government schools? I have nothing whatsoever to do with your schools but I sure pay an obscene amount of property and income taxes to help fund your "operation". It would be nice to get a decent return on the investment.

[Onespiritedfan]

At the risk of further inciting your wrath against private schools, I must state that the information contained in your last paragraph is grossly incorrect. But, then, who cares? Why confuse you with the true facts?

Overall, we have inferior government schools in the Commonwealth which are teaching more social and political correctness and less reading, writing, and arithmetic. No honest person, private or government, can deny that.

So, instead of continually taking shots at the private schools, why don't you improve the government schools? I have nothing whatsoever to do with your schools but I sure pay an obscene amount of property and income taxes to help fund your "operation". It would be nice to get a decent return on the investment.

Amen, very well said!!!

[Onespiritedfan]

At the risk of further inciting your wrath against private schools, I must state that the information contained in your last paragraph is grossly incorrect. But, then, who cares? Why confuse you with the true facts?

Overall, we have inferior government schools in the Commonwealth which are teaching more social and poIlitical correctness and less reading, writing, and arithmetic. No honest person, private or government, can deny that.

So, instead of continually taking shots at the private schools, why don't you improve the government schools? I have nothing whatsoever to do with your schools but I sure pay an obscene amount of property and income taxes to help fund your "operation". It would be nice to get a decent return on the investment.

Amen!!! Very well said HR!!!

[PHSForever]

At the risk of further inciting your wrath against private schools, I must state that the information contained in your last paragraph is grossly incorrect. But, then, who cares? Why confuse you with the true facts?

Overall, we have inferior government schools in the Commonwealth which are teaching more social and political correctness and less reading, writing, and arithmetic. No honest person, private or government, can deny that.

So, instead of continually taking shots at the private schools, why don't you improve the government schools? I have nothing whatsoever to do with your schools but I sure pay an obscene amount of property and income taxes to help fund your "operation". It would be nice to get a decent return on the investment.

Actually, the local taxes pay more towards local schools than "your" taxes do here. Sounds like your axe to grind is with the local public schools there moreso than here.

As for my last paragraph, it is true. In order to meet accreditation standards, even private and Christian schools must meet certain state government set standards. All colleges to my knowledge also require for admission, a diploma from an accredited school. So, it stands to reason, while private schools may establish standards above and beyond those imposed by states, they must, at a minimum, teach to at least the same minimum standards public schools do. Look no further than this article here. http://www.kystandard.com/content/diplom...reditation

I have no bone to pick with private schools in regards to academia. IDO think there should be more controls in regards to the amount of recruiting they are allowed to do for sports, but that's a different argument. My point of contention is that you lump all "government" schools together as if they are all failing the system and failing society. That is not true. You initiated taking shots, sir. I'm just pointing out how ludicrous some of your points are. The shots I took were at YOU. Then again, that old bane of SOME people (reading comprehension) seemingly reared it's ugly head for you.

Not much improving is needed at the school my children attend. They are a top 10 district in the state, continually send the vast majority of their graduates to college, including just 2 years ago having 100% of that graduating class accepted into colleges, along with literally over 1 million dollars in scholarships, etc for that class. Then again, why confuse YOU with facts if they aren't relevant to your high-minded flights of private school "betterness"?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Actually, the local taxes pay more towards local schools than "your" taxes do here. Sounds like your axe to grind is with the local public schools there moreso than here.

As for my last paragraph, it is true. In order to meet accreditation standards, even private and Christian schools must meet certain state government set standards. All colleges to my knowledge also require for admission, a diploma from an accredited school. So, it stands to reason, while private schools may establish standards above and beyond those imposed by states, they must, at a minimum, teach to at least the same minimum standards public schools do. Look no further than this article here. http://www.kystandard.com/content/diplom...reditation

I have no bone to pick with private schools in regards to academia. IDO think there should be more controls in regards to the amount of recruiting they are allowed to do for sports, but that's a different argument. My point of contention is that you lump all "government" schools together as if they are all failing the system and failing society. That is not true. You initiated taking shots, sir. I'm just pointing out how ludicrous some of your points are. The shots I took were at YOU. Then again, that old bane of SOME people (reading comprehension) seemingly reared it's ugly head for you.

Not much improving is needed at the school my children attend. They are a top 10 district in the state, continually send the vast majority of their graduates to college, including just 2 years ago having 100% of that graduating class accepted into colleges, along with literally over 1 million dollars in scholarships, etc for that class. Then again, why confuse YOU with facts if they aren't relevant to your high-minded flights of private school "betterness"?

What a wonderful job of spinning. Your "facts" are filled with less than full disclosure and half truths. In your defense, that may be all you know or wish to know. But, in reality, your defensive attitude is a clear example of the problem with government education as it is mandated in the Commonwealth. Since you seem to be happy with your product, enjoy it. I would hope that some in government education would not settle for Toyotas and would demand Cadillacs. But, that isn't my problem other than the money I waste paying both local and state taxes that go to perpetuate the overall mediocrity- even in much of your home county.

As one who has taught many, many college courses, I can assure you that we are seeing each year a material increase in high school graduates who can not read well, write properly, or even do long division without a calculator. On the other hand, they do have a high opinion (self esteem) of themselves. I think the facts show that we have a problem. Rather than getting all defensive, maybe you should look at the real facts. the fact that 100% of a graduating class is accepted into college is absolutely of no relevance. Are you aware of the large percentage of high school graduates who must take numerous remedial classes once they get into college? Getting into college is really no true achievement. Check it out.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

What is the purpose of this thread other than to stir up an issue that isn't an issue.

And for some of you that don't understand...Independent Schools Systems like Danville, Middlesboro, Highlands, Corbin, Somerset, Hazard and many more ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS just like County Schools across the state...there is NO Difference in them and your local County School System, except for the fact that they are in the middle of another school district. Kinda like the Vatican is in the middle of Rome Italy, but is it's own Independent Country/State.

Good analogy. Independent systems are government schools. They are funded entirely by the taxpayers.

[PHSForever]

What a wonderful job of spinning. Your "facts" are filled with less than full disclosure and half truths. In your defense, that may be all you know or wish to know. But, in reality, your defensive attitude is a clear example of the problem with government education as it is mandated in the Commonwealth. Since you seem to be happy with your product, enjoy it. I would hope that some in government education would not settle for Toyotas and would demand Cadillacs. But, that isn't my problem other than the money I waste paying both local and state taxes that go to perpetuate the overall mediocrity- even in much of your home county.

As one who has taught many, many college courses, I can assure you that we are seeing each year a material increase in high school graduates who can not read well, write properly, or even do long division without a calculator. On the other hand, they do have a high opinion (self esteem) of themselves. I think the facts show that we have a problem. Rather than getting all defensive, maybe you should look at the real facts. the fact that 100% of a graduating class is accepted into college is absolutely of no relevance. Are you aware of the large percentage of high school graduates who must take numerous remedial classes once they get into college? Getting into college is really no true achievement. Check it out.

You are nothing more than a snob. I do not argue that many kids that get into college must take a remedial course or several. I also do not argue that many schools DO fail to educate children to an appropriate level of college readiness. What point I am trying to make is that you continue to try and lump all schools together and imply that they are somehow less than a private school. I can tell you many stories of graduates of your esteemed private schools who arrive on campus at a college and have no idea how to balance a checkbook, much less prepare for college level courses without the aid of a tutor or other assistance.

My wife teaches in those remedial courses in college of which you speak, and has taught at high school, middle school, and elementary school levels for years. More often than not, students have little to no parental involvement, which often puts the onus on the teachers as having somehow failed the student, when in fact, study after study shows that a student with highly involved parents in their education tends to do far better than those with little to no involvement. So truly, getting the parents more involved benefits more. While you may spin that as me somehow agreeing with you, not really. I'm far from happy with secondary school performance in the Commonwealth. I would love to see every child graduate college with a degree. I also am realistic enough to know that will never happen, but we have to pursue it.

I'd much rather my, and your, tax dollars show a higher level of return on investment. On that, we agree. But attitudes such as yours that private schools are somehow just inherently better, are a part of the problem as well. It is convenient that while you take shots about us getting 100% of the graduates accepted into college, you ignore the scholarship part, most of which have academic standards attached as a requirement to receive, and then continue to receive.

As someone who has 2 degrees from college, and a graduate of a "government funded" school (Pikeville), I take offense to your generic and liberal tar and feathering of all school systems that are not private.

[Spirit100]

Yes to the original question. It is possible we'll have no catholic school champions nicker: !

[Harry Rex Vonner]

You are nothing more than a snob. I do not argue that many kids that get into college must take a remedial course or several. I also do not argue that many schools DO fail to educate children to an appropriate level of college readiness. What point I am trying to make is that you continue to try and lump all schools together and imply that they are somehow less than a private school. I can tell you many stories of graduates of your esteemed private schools who arrive on campus at a college and have no idea how to balance a checkbook, much less prepare for college level courses without the aid of a tutor or other assistance.

My wife teaches in those remedial courses in college of which you speak, and has taught at high school, middle school, and elementary school levels for years. More often than not, students have little to no parental involvement, which often puts the onus on the teachers as having somehow failed the student, when in fact, study after study shows that a student with highly involved parents in their education tends to do far better than those with little to no involvement. So truly, getting the parents more involved benefits more. While you may spin that as me somehow agreeing with you, not really. I'm far from happy with secondary school performance in the Commonwealth. I would love to see every child graduate college with a degree. I also am realistic enough to know that will never happen, but we have to pursue it.

I'd much rather my, and your, tax dollars show a higher level of return on investment. On that, we agree. But attitudes such as yours that private schools are somehow just inherently better, are a part of the problem as well. It is convenient that while you take shots about us getting 100% of the graduates accepted into college, you ignore the scholarship part, most of which have academic standards attached as a requirement to receive, and then continue to receive.

As someone who has 2 degrees from college, and a graduate of a "government funded" school (Pikeville), I take offense to your generic and liberal tar and feathering of all school systems that are not private.

I graduated from a fine Catholic high school and have three college degrees, all from the University of Kentucky (a decent but far from great taxpayer subsidized university), including a doctorate in a professional field but you are the one who brought it up and, really, degrees shouldn't impress anyone.

I reread my posts and failed to find where I stated that private schools are better than government schools. However, I do believe, as do most, that private schools offer a better learning environment than the government schools simply because private schools can be selective in who is admitted to those schools. Government schools must take all comers- including habitual troublemakers and the like. That is not being "snobbish". That is merely stating a fact.

Further, private schools, by not being under the stern thumb of state and federal "educators", can emphasize the traditional skills- comprehensive reading, proper grammar (the government schools seem to have forgotten that proper use of grammar is essential for true education), mathematics, and history (as it really happened and not slanted for political correctness).

Finally, and I could list scores of other differences, while the private schools can and do emphasize traditional values as an essential part of a traditional education, your government schools are all caught up in demands for social engineering and social manipulation.

I'm not saying private schools are better. I am just saying that, overall, I believe their approach produces a better finished product.

[PHSForever]

I graduated from a fine Catholic high school and have three college degrees, all from the University of Kentucky (a decent but far from great taxpayer subsidized university), including a doctorate in a professional field but you are the one who brought it up and, really, degrees shouldn't impress anyone.

I reread my posts and failed to find where I stated that private schools are better than government schools. However, I do believe, as do most, that private schools offer a better learning environment than the government schools simply because private schools can be selective in who is admitted to those schools. Government schools must take all comers- including habitual troublemakers and the like. That is not being "snobbish". That is merely stating a fact.

Further, private schools, by not being under the stern thumb of state and federal "educators", can emphasize the traditional skills- comprehensive reading, proper grammar (the government schools seem to have forgotten that proper use of grammar is essential for true education), mathematics, and history (as it really happened and not slanted for political correctness).

Finally, and I could list scores of other differences, while the private schools can and do emphasize traditional values as an essential part of a traditional education, your government schools are all caught up in demands for social engineering and social manipulation.

I'm not saying private schools are better. I am just saying that, overall, I believe their approach produces a better finished product.

Haha. Tomahto tomayto. A "better finished product" is nothing more than code speak for "we turn out better people". If you can't at least be honest enough to admit that all your posturing on here has, at its core, implied or been meant to imply, that private schools are better, then you are hopeless or delusional.

As for bringing up my degrees, I only did so not to impress you, but to reassure you that "I is a fine graduate of one of them thar guvmint schools and still found a way to hang a purity sheepskin on my wall, hyuck", since you have done nothing more than sully every single public or independent school in the state with your overly generic statements. With your "habitual troublemakers" post, are you implying none exist in private schools? If so, believe me, you are hiding under a rock.

Interesting you have failed to respond to my point regarding parental involvement. Am I to take it, based on the lack of a response to that, along with your statement that private school environments are more conducive to providing a better education, that you feel the onus is solely on educators to motivate and educate, and that parents should yield to a teacher's efforts in educating a child and not get involved?

Finally, as I have pointed out, and you have conveniently ignored, even private schools, in order to get and maintain accreditation, must meet/conform to a minimum of state standards. While they can exceed those standards and even do, in many cases, they are not perfect, nor always the perfect solution.

Congratulations on your impressive academic achievements. I'm guessing, since you have 3 degrees from that fine taxpayer subsidized university, you decided to slum it after the rigors of your high school years. How positively Saint Galgani of you.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Haha. Tomahto tomayto. A "better finished product" is nothing more than code speak for "we turn out better people". If you can't at least be honest enough to admit that all your posturing on here has, at its core, implied or been meant to imply, that private schools are better, then you are hopeless or delusional.

As for bringing up my degrees, I only did so not to impress you, but to reassure you that "I is a fine graduate of one of them thar guvmint schools and still found a way to hang a purity sheepskin on my wall, hyuck", since you have done nothing more than sully every single public or independent school in the state with your overly generic statements. With your "habitual troublemakers" post, are you implying none exist in private schools? If so, believe me, you are hiding under a rock.

Interesting you have failed to respond to my point regarding parental involvement. Am I to take it, based on the lack of a response to that, along with your statement that private school environments are more conducive to providing a better education, that you feel the onus is solely on educators to motivate and educate, and that parents should yield to a teacher's efforts in educating a child and not get involved?

Finally, as I have pointed out, and you have conveniently ignored, even private schools, in order to get and maintain accreditation, must meet/conform to a minimum of state standards. While they can exceed those standards and even do, in many cases, they are not perfect, nor always the perfect solution.

Congratulations on your impressive academic achievements. I'm guessing, since you have 3 degrees from that fine taxpayer subsidized university, you decided to slum it after the rigors of your high school years. How positively Saint Galgani of you.

Your posts do exhibit one lone thread of validity in mentioning that parental involvement is important to the success of the child being educated. I wholeheartedly agree. And, in truth, this is another strong area of private schools. Most private school parents are involved in the education of their children. Most don't sacrifice to send their children to private schools without taking a sincere interest in the operation of that school. And, many private schools demand parental involvement. Your government schools, of course, can't and don't demand much of anything. Actually, without parents being involved, they can better indoctrinate your children with their secular blueprint for the future.

I will be honest and admit that my daughter attended a private school from K4 through high school mainly because we didn't want her exposed to the liberal, politically correct, socially manipulated, spiritually neutral atmosphere of a government school. I realize that the government schools have no choice but to operate as they do. If choosing a private school and doing what was best for my daughter makes me a "snob", I'll plead guilty. If true school choice were an option, there would be tens of thousands more "snobs" like me.

And, you don't need to "congratulate" me on my degrees. The degrees mean nothing other than opening some doors. It is what you do later that counts.

[Spirit100]

I graduated from a fine Catholic high school and have three college degrees, all from the University of Kentucky (a decent but far from great taxpayer subsidized university), including a doctorate in a professional field but you are the one who brought it up and, really, degrees shouldn't impress anyone.

I reread my posts and failed to find where I stated that private schools are better than government schools. However, I do believe, as do most, that private schools offer a better learning environment than the government schools simply because private schools can be selective in who is admitted to those schools. Government schools must take all comers- including habitual troublemakers and the like. That is not being "snobbish". That is merely stating a fact.

Further, private schools, by not being under the stern thumb of state and federal "educators", can emphasize the traditional skills- comprehensive reading, proper grammar (the government schools seem to have forgotten that proper use of grammar is essential for true education), mathematics, and history (as it really happened and not slanted for political correctness).

Finally, and I could list scores of other differences, while the private schools can and do emphasize traditional values as an essential part of a traditional education, your government schools are all caught up in demands for social engineering and social manipulation.

I'm not saying private schools are better. I am just saying that, overall, I believe their approach produces a better finished product.

Congratulations, atta boy, WAY TO GO, need a hug, great job, you officially hijacked a hs football forum thread discussing "FOOTBALL" and managed to politicize it into a debate between the values of a private vs public school education. Winner, winner chicken dinner….HRV you have outdone your hoitty toitty hind end.

It does matter to you based on sharing the above credentials, you are a snob ( which I'm sure you take pride in ), and it's a shame you have relegated your intellect and credentials to looking down that snout of yours. Praying you have a "Trading Places" moment and honor a greater selfless path in life.

If your intention is to impress, based on the above bolded, it does not. Many great educators have less than a hs diploma. They live by example and honor Gods commands.

You may feel validated by a narrow piece of whatever world you live in and relationships you have with educators who poo poo the public system. Many big and small towns "publics" provide better educations than what your folks paid for at that fine catholic school you quoted. It's OK, realize even in the world of folks who pay parochial tuition. They offer "remedial" classes for people not as brilliant as you were, just like the publics, I'm sure back in the day.

If you are a true "believer in Christ" with a fine catholic education to back up your foundation for college excellence, you may want to start being an advocate for what the publics have achieved for many years. A very good well rounded student who doesn't need to espouse their college credentials on a sported forum nicker: and diminish the efforts of the remaining teams in the KHSAA football tourney.

:dudecomeon: Smoked Gouda cheese, and Pinot Noir belong elsewhere. You pick, or produce a thread in General Discussion and we'll pursue this. I'm intrigued and would like to help you. Many others would also. Have faith in the school systems who are providing a good ROI. You should be convincing the publics how great a catholic school education is with the same reverence and critical eye you give the publics.

Good luck with that :Thumbs:!

[Memo Luna]

Congratulations, atta boy, WAY TO GO, need a hug, great job, you officially hijacked a hs football forum thread discussing "FOOTBALL" and managed to politicize it into a debate between the values of a private vs public school education. Winner, winner chicken dinner….HRV you have outdone your hoitty toitty hind end.

It does matter to you based on sharing the above credentials, you are a snob ( which I'm sure you take pride in ), and it's a shame you have relegated your intellect and credentials to looking down that snout of yours. Praying you have a "Trading Places" moment and honor a greater selfless path in life.

If your intention is to impress, based on the above bolded, it does not. Many great educators have less than a hs diploma. They live by example and honor Gods commands.

You may feel validated by a narrow piece of whatever world you live in and relationships you have with educators who poo poo the public system. Many big and small towns "publics" provide better educations than what your folks paid for at that fine catholic school you quoted. It's OK, realize even in the world of folks who pay parochial tuition. They offer "remedial" classes for people not as brilliant as you were, just like the publics, I'm sure back in the day.

If you are a true "believer in Christ" with a fine catholic education to back up your foundation for college excellence, you may want to start being an advocate for what the publics have achieved for many years. A very good well rounded student who doesn't need to espouse their college credentials on a sported forum nicker: and diminish the efforts of the remaining teams in the KHSAA football tourney.

:dudecomeon: Smoked Gouda cheese, and Pinot Noir belong elsewhere. You pick, or produce a thread in General Discussion and we'll pursue this. I'm intrigued and would like to help you. Many others would also. Have faith in the school systems who are providing a good ROI. You should be convincing the publics how great a catholic school education is with the same reverence and critical eye you give the publics.

Good luck with that :Thumbs:!

I support the public schools but you have taken Harry's comments out of context. Leave the spin to Obama.

[RunItUpTheGut]

harry has had a bad year :biglmao:

[strawberryshakeman]

This thread is DEAD. NCC and DeSales BOTH in the finals. Hey Mod, CLOSE IT!

[Harry Rex Vonner]

harry has had a bad year :biglmao:

Footballwise, not a typical year. But, two out of twelve and one champion out of six is still proportionally much higher per capita than the government schools. Still, not a typical year.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

This thread is DEAD. NCC and DeSales BOTH in the finals. Hey Mod, CLOSE IT!

The thread has run its course. The pipe dream of the private haters didn't materialize. Good luck to all surviving schools.

[PHSForever]

Translation for the rest of you... HRV said "Ego sum waving niveus vexillum of trado"

That's Latin for "I am waving the white flag of surrender". :igiveup:

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Translation for the rest of you... HRV said "Ego sum waving niveus vexillum of trado"

That's Latin for "I am waving the white flag of surrender". :igiveup:

Unfortunately, PHSForever, your Latin appears to be a bit deficient. Did they actually offer Latin at PHS? I suspect not.

[mysonis55]

How is you Latin with the Ky accent and all.

[PHSForever]

Unfortunately, PHSForever, your Latin appears to be a bit deficient. Did they actually offer Latin at PHS? I suspect not.

No, they did not. Spanish, French were the two offered. And please, if I'm so deficient on the Latin, show me what is the proper wording? I'm not very far off, if I am at all.

But I join you in wishing good luck to all teams this week. Play hard!

[cj2561]

someone said on here that they would like to see a Private playoffs, and Public playoffs. if they do that no will know who the best team is. the way it is right now, everyone know what the best in that class is. there is no and, if, or but about it. I wish everyone stop this bullshit about Private vs. Public. if you don't like it, don't let your kids play or move to another state.

the be the best, you have to beat the best.(Rick Flair)

[Memo Luna]

Ric Flair is one of the great philosophers of our time. He, as usual, is absolutely right. If you dodge a certain group, you aren't the best.

[E's Army]

I really don't believe that there is as much anti private school sentiment as it appears if you take Trinity and X out of the equation. Their numbers and ability to draw from a large metropolitan area gives them an advantage. The other private schools have similar numbers to the schools in their classes. Those schools have done well but have not dominated their classes to the extent the big two have.

[catsallthetime]

The point that a lot of you are missing in the whole discussion is how the atmosphere around a lot of the private /catholic/Christian schools have change. Now they have turned into elite private schools that have a Christian curriculum. It has built a "we are better than you mentality" We are the haves and you are the have nots and we don't want to associate with you.That has bred hate between the parents and the kids. Lexington Catholic as a case study. 25 years ago you saw kids from families with 5 to 9 kids able to educate the kids with a Catholic education. The tuition was at a point where it could be done. The kids lived in the same area as the most of the public school kids. We were all friends on the playground competed together in summer baseball, rec basketball and so on. We just went to different schools. The Southland Park area in Lexington was mostly catholic families. That area built the Mary Queen Parrish. I think back in the 70's the cost was somewhere around $75.00 a month for a child to go to LC. I think there was a big break for the other siblings. I sent 3 kids through Catholic between 2005 an 2011. If I am not mistaken tuition was around $8000 a year for my last one. Ad in in what you gave outside of the tuition who knows. As far as athletics go LC was at the bottom of the competitive chain up until the early 80's No football and a mediocre Basketball and baseball program. In comes D. Haney who played at LC and knew everyone in town. He had classmates that went on to become successful in the business community and was able to tap those resources at a time when catholic was in dire straits and its existence was questionable. You had a school president that understood Catholics future success would depend on offering something that would draw students to school. That was athletics. Football was added. Haneys relationship with a local basketball guru (Who was upset how his son was handled at a local public school ) was built and all of a sudden you had the best players in Lex enrolled at Catholic. They had a winner before any of the public schools in the area knew what hit them. Success breads success. Catholics enrollment went up, all of a sudden Catholic was the hot ticket. Parents that wanted their kids to flourish in academics and athletics sent the kids to Catholic. With tuition cost on the rise and the negative press on recruiting continued to grow. Haney left and was replaced, The vision he and his team had built leveled off. You lost a football coach. A girls basketball coach. Best baseball coach in Lex (All of who built their respective programs up to state leaders) and now you see LC coming back to earth. The public schools in a lot of areas have stepped their game up academically. Tuition at the privates has gone sky high and with the economy you cant get these good athletes in school anymore. You can get the rich kids in but not the hungry competitive neighborhood kids. This year in football you are seeing the state finals come back to a all public school championship. It will be the first of many and in a few years the private domination will be a thing of the past.