[1/4bak]

without putting a name out there, how do you select a qb that has 9 interceptions/11 td"s 1534 passing yards and -2 rushing yards. I could see if the passing yardage and stats were offset by the ability to run the ball, oh well:Sad04:

[Cardfan1]

Two best qbs are at bottom of roster listed as WR and Ath

[64SUR]

Where is this list :Sad04:

[Cardfan1]

http://www.kytnborderbowl.wix.com/kytnborderbowl

[1/4bak]

Two best qbs are at bottom of roster listed as WR and Ath

want get no argument here, I would take Sizemore or Guffey either one, I have seen both of them play and I know a little about that position.

[3wishes]

without putting a name out there, how do you select a qb that has 9 interceptions/11 td"s 1534 passing yards and -2 rushing yards. I could see if the passing yardage and stats were offset by the ability to run the ball, oh well:Sad04:

It is not always based on stats, the coaches or committee choose the qb and/or players that best suit their style or offense.
You also have to remember that these high profile players only get to play in 2 BOWL GAMES, so they may choose to defer their selection to this bowl and choose another closer to home or higher prestige aka(US ARMY BOWL, etc.)

They may have wanted for example Drew Barker, no idea but just for example he may be playing in the UNDER ARMOUR BOWL AND the NKY Bowl game, therefore, he would not be allowed to play in a third, making the coaches choose another player.
The coaches spend all season requesting highlight film footage from players and coaches, you can take it to the bank that this is the most talented kids that are able to play together that was nominated by their coaches. All coaches had the choice to nominate any players. I also know that the coaches on KY squad every year also go out in search for them if they aren't nominated. This is one of the best bowl games available in Kentucky.

[3wishes]

want get no argument here, I would take Sizemore or Guffey either one, I have seen both of them play and I know a little about that position.

Just because they are listed as WR, doesn't mean they couldn't see some action behind Center, I'm sure. Also there are some typos on that website, so that may be one of them also as them listed as WR.

[1/4bak]

It is not always based on stats, the coaches or committee choose the qb and/or players that best suit their style or offense.
You also have to remember that these high profile players only get to play in 2 BOWL GAMES, so they may choose to defer their selection to this bowl and choose another closer to home or higher prestige aka(US ARMY BOWL, etc.)

They may have wanted for example Drew Barker, no idea but just for example he may be playing in the UNDER ARMOUR BOWL AND the NKY Bowl game, therefore, he would not be allowed to play in a third, making the coaches choose another player.
The coaches spend all season requesting highlight film footage from players and coaches, you can take it to the bank that this is the most talented kids that are able to play together that was nominated by their coaches. All coaches had the choice to nominate any players. I also know that the coaches on KY squad every year also go out in search for them if they aren't nominated. This is one of the best bowl games available in Kentucky.

All stars are chosen or should be chosen by what they have accomplished in their career not how big their school is or what reputation their football team has had. Im sorry as a fan with no dog in it I would not accept these credientials as all star material. 3 wishes everyone knows that it is a given that 2 or 3 spots are reserved for the kids from Whitley, Williamsburg and Corbin to insure that a fan based is established so if you think politics aint in these selections get a grip. Look at the past rosters to prove my point:popcorn:

[3wishes]

All stars are chosen or should be chosen by what they have accomplished in their career not how big their school is or what reputation their football team has had. Im sorry as a fan with no dog in it I would not accept these credientials as all star material. 3 wishes everyone knows that it is a given that 2 or 3 spots are reserved for the kids from Whitley, Williamsburg and Corbin to insure that a fan based is established so if you think politics aint in these selections get a grip. Look at the past rosters to prove my point:popcorn:

I have no dog in the fight either but you are the one acting mad and upset so I was explaining some misconceptions. Whether spots are reserved or saved Whitley, Corbin and Williamsburg has quality players that are worthy of making the team so what does it matter? The bowl game started about 7 years ago mainly as EKY vs ETN and has recently just branched out to include the whole state. So yes in years past there will be a lot of EKY kids on the roster because that was the bowl billing even though other kids from the state were included.
My point is these bowls and all state teams aren't perfect science and it is a bunch of whiners that constantly complain about a good bowl game. You can preach politics all you want but you also have to know that the coaches reach way out all year during their own seasons to find these players and scout them just for this one game. So for the most part it is who they want and the committee wants and I assure you they always want the best but they may not always get the best because of reasons I stated before.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

without putting a name out there, how do you select a qb that has 9 interceptions/11 td"s 1534 passing yards and -2 rushing yards. I could see if the passing yardage and stats were offset by the ability to run the ball, oh well:Sad04:

Two best qbs are at bottom of roster listed as WR and Ath

want get no argument here, I would take Sizemore or Guffey either one, I have seen both of them play and I know a little about that position.

Guys, numbers are sometimes deceiving. I would also take Sizemore or Guffey on any team of mine. What you need to look at is the competition Nagle faced week in and week out. That competition included playing Male (twice), Lexington Catholic, Bowling Green, Archbishop Moeller OH, Trinity, Dupont Manual, & Cincinnati St X OH.

Do you think either Guffey or Sizemore could produce the numbers they did against that type of competition each week?

Do you think Nagle could have put up the X-box stats facing the competition Guffey and Sizemore faced each week?

Here is a good example, and this is still not quite the same caliber of teams but a good example. IMO the 2 toughest opponents Sizemore faced all year was Wayne County & Mayfield. The totals for those 2 games are 33/63 completions for 333 yards 2 td's and 6 int's.

IMO the 2 toughest opponents for Guffey was Belfry and Central. His stat line for those games was 28/68 for 384 yards 1 td and 2 int's.

Now if those stats held true through 12 games, (same as Nagle played) those totals for the season against like competition would be:

Sizemore 198/378 for 1998 yards 12 td's 36 int's for the year
Guffey 168/408 for 2304 yards 6 td's 12 int's for the year

Looks a little different when you compare apples to apples and not oranges.

I am personally happy for all these kids and wish them the best. I would take either one on any team of mine.

Good luck to the big blue.

[Cardfan1]

That's a good point, eku. Except this.... st X has 6a talent second to none. You still aren't comparing apples here. Fact is both of these kids led their teams to state championships largely on their arms not as a game manager or as handing the ball to a great RB.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

That's a good point, eku. Except this.... st X has 6a talent second to none. You still aren't comparing apples here. Fact is both of these kids led their teams to state championships largely on their arms not as a game manager or as handing the ball to a great RB.

I get what you are saying, but that is my point, they face the same type competition week in and week out. No one on either of the other teams schedules are in comparison.

BTW, I'm not eku. lol

[Cardfan1]

Sorry. I was looking at another post too.

I struggle with that logic. You're telling me a kid from Trinity or st x is more deserving just because their schedule is harder? I can't buy that.

Just select their whole team then. They played a tougher schedule.

[Cellking]

Cong: to all that made the Team. A special Cong: to Kegan Skidmore from Somerset. Have fun young man have fun.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

Sorry. I was looking at another post too.

I struggle with that logic. You're telling me a kid from Trinity or st x is more deserving just because their schedule is harder? I can't buy that.

Just select their whole team then. They played a tougher schedule.

I'm not saying anyone is more deserving. That was you and another poster. I was defending the guy you said was not deserving. I stated I would take either of the 3 on any team of mine.

[cherokee]

I get what you are saying, but that is my point, they face the same type competition week in and week out. No one on either of the other teams schedules are in comparison.

BTW, I'm not eku. lol

Sizemore had one bad game against Wayne and even their fans will tell how he was limping on the field with a ankle sprain, still was 46/21 240 yards and 2 td's just couldn't plant to throw the deepball that he was called upon to throw had 5 int's. Hazard with a win over somerset which lost by 1 point in 2a state semi to NCC, Raceland regional champ, Pike Central regional finals lost to state champ Belfry, North Laurel really good 5a team till the injury bug set in still best team in their history, Wayne only lost 1 time in state championship game and losing to Mayfield which could have beaten or competed with any school.If you want to pick and choose games leave out Wayne and he was 263/144 2628 yards 3 int's 29 td's and over 500 yards rushing. As the old saying goes you know what they say about men with big feet they have big shoes, you know what they say about st.x, trinity,Louisville male qb's they have st.x, trinity, and Louisville male linemen and athletes.

[Cardfan1]

I never said anybody wasn't deserving. I said the best qbs were at the bottom of the list. Just to be clear. Then you started comparing schedules. If that's the case have st x or better yet bowling green play tn all stars.

[64SUR]

It took awhile now I see what the uproar is all about....Guffey down as Receiver...Sizemore down as athlete.That makes no sense to me....but nothing does anymore....:HitWall:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Anderson County Ross Cox 6'4"/205 WR/DB
Apollo Ryan Duvall 6'5"/220 LB
Belfry Michael Barnes 6'3"/355 OT
Belfry Sani Warren 6'1"/188 DB
Bryan Station Ora Johnson 6'2"/170 DT
Christian County Tate Baker 6'3"/255 OT
Collins DeAndre Farris 5'9"/175 ATH/slot/db
Collins Masai Whyte 6'1"/210 LB
Collins Page Lawson 6'2"/200 QB
Corbin Taylor Waddle 6'1"/ATH
Danville Jawan Grey 6'0"/180 SLOT
Desales Dylan Byrd 5'9"/170 RB
Fairview Anthony Roark 6'5"/307 OL
Franklin-Simpson Joseph Hawkins 6'3"/243 DE
Ft. Campbell Christian Noble 5'11"/222 OL
Ft. Campbell Isaiah Washington 6'0"/207 WR
Glasgow Matt Boston 6'2"/270 CENTER
Harlan County Carson Whitehead 6'0"/MLB
Harlan County Cole Wilson 6'3"/DE
Hazard Jacob Roll TE
Henderson County Brennan Farley 6'3"/200TE
Henry Clay Austin Black 6'0"/ TE
Henry Clay Elijah Bell5'9"/165 WR
Holy Cross Jalen Beal WR
Johnson Central Quade Ward OL
Lafayette Kylan Nelson 5'11"/180 RB/SS
Lexington Catholic David Bouvier 5'9"/175 WR
Lexington Catholic Noah Mitchell 5'9"/195 RB
Louisville Central Der'Quoine Mobley 6'2"/220 LB
Louisville Central Donald Styles 6'0"/200 DB
Louisville Holy Cross "CJ" Charles Jacoby, Jr. 6'3"/335 OL
Madison Southern Casey Dionne 6'0"/180 SS
Mason County Austin Matheny 5'11"/270 CENTER
Mason County Jacob Tompkins 5'9"/150 PUNTER/KICKER
North Laurel Michael Nelson 5'11"/180 WR
Owensboro Senior High Christian Woods 6'2"/ DE
Owensboro Senior High Logan Blue 6'4"/228 TE/ILB/SNAPPER
Paducah Tilghman Darrius Spivey-Nunn 6'1"/180 WR
Paducah Tilghman Derik Overstreet 6'2"/240 DE
Paintsville Lane Daniels 5'10"/ ATH
Perry County Central Cody Taylor 5'9"/170 WR
Pulaski County Aaron Smith 6'1"/ OLB
Pulaski County William Mobley 5'9"/ DL
Russell County Matthew Adams 6'3"/305 DL
Scott County Palmer Ward 6'1"165 KICKER/PUNTER
Scott County Scott Daniel 6'0"/175 WR/DB
Scott County Travis Wright 6'2"/290 CENTER/OL
Somerset Kagen Skidmore 6'2"/285 DL
St. Xavier Austin Askin 6'6"/ OL
St. Xavier Browning BJ Nagle 6'0"/ QB
St. Xavier Lenny Broyles 6'2"/275 DL/DE
Wayne County Ryan Corder 6'0"/235 DE
Wayne County Tyler Guffey WR
Whitley County Simon Vanderpool 6'0"/260 OL
Williamsburg Dalton Sizemore 5'10"/210 ATHLETE

[Cellking]

It took awhile now I see what the uproar is all about....Guffey down as Receiver...Sizemore down as athlete.That makes no sense to me....but nothing does anymore....:HitWall:

I don't understand myself, both are Real Good QB's and Should play that position.
:HitWall:

[William Muney]

With less and less EKY kids chosen this will be the lowest attendance numbers for a border bowl.

[William Muney]

BTW regardless of competition Guffey is best QB on the list by far.

[This is me]

Congrads Quade and Lane!!:Cheerlead

[topnotch]

want get no argument here, I would take Sizemore or Guffey either one, I have seen both of them play and I know a little about that position.

eVERY ONE HAS THEIR FAVORITE, I THINK WE DID WELL WITH BOTH THESE BOYS.

[groundattack]

Lawson Page is a quality QB not going to say he is the best. However I assure you he will take a backseat to no one.

[papagrit]

However they are decided....I know that I'm disappointed my kid didn't make it in. I can admit it and I know he will be sorely disappointed when he finds out in a bit which is what bothers me more than anything. It's hard to overcome being on a 2-9 team two seasons in a row and coming out of it with any recognition. I see three names on that list that I would put my son up against any day and these are kids that he played against during the regular season. I also see a lot of good talent from Kentucky as well. I reckon we'll just break out the boohoo towel and do something else come January 11th and he'll just have to lift weights for college ball instead of the bowl like he has been doing. Good luck to the Kentucky kids anyhow...hope you beat Tennessee.

[RunItUpTheGut]

All stars are chosen or should be chosen by what they have accomplished in their career not how big their school is or what reputation their football team has had. Im sorry as a fan with no dog in it I would not accept these credientials as all star material. 3 wishes everyone knows that it is a given that 2 or 3 spots are reserved for the kids from Whitley, Williamsburg and Corbin to insure that a fan based is established so if you think politics aint in these selections get a grip. Look at the past rosters to prove my point:popcorn:

Considering the entire committee and founders of the border bowl are from Whitley County, whats the problem? Every single person that puts this thing on is from Whitley. The majority of the attendance to these games are from Whitley County, and whether or not they are "worthy" in your eyes, there will always be kids from these three schools on the list.
If you don't like it, perhaps you can get people together in your county to put on an all star game so everyone you'd like to see get picked does.

Its just funny when you think that kids from these schools wont make it. Atleast 1 from each. After all, the committee is made of up of a Wburg Cop, Whitleys AD, Whitley Countys coroner, Whitley Countys PVA, Whitley Countys former Basketball Coach and Middle School principal, a current Whitley County asst principal, another former assistant at Whitley and a couple others.
Whitley has one kid on the team, and hes pretty good. I don't see how it can be seen as being a complete homer.

[bear claw]

Is this game for the best in TN and the best in KY or the best in Eastern Ky? I mean don't get me wrong, I LOVE eastern Ky and our WONDERFUL kids. I am not being a smart butt, I really want to know. Has this game replaced the old KY/TN all star game? I don't have a clue about who selects this team but if this is a game that covers the entire state of TN and the entire state of KY then I want the best of the best to play for us. I am a realist and realize there will be kids left off that maybe should have been there but what is the answer? NOBODY, it don't matter who is doing it will make everybody happy, that's just the way life is. By the way, who are the coaches for us?

[RunItUpTheGut]

Is this game for the best in TN and the best in KY or the best in Eastern Ky? I mean don't get me wrong, I LOVE eastern Ky and our WONDERFUL kids. I am not being a smart butt, I really want to know. Has this game replaced the old KY/TN all star game? I don't have a clue about who selects this team but if this is a game that covers the entire state of TN and the entire state of KY then I want the best of the best to play for us. I am a realist and realize there will be kids left off that maybe should have been there but what is the answer? NOBODY, it don't matter who is doing it will make everybody happy, that's just the way life is. By the way, who are the coaches for us?

When this game started up, it consisted only of team east of I75.
That has changed to encompass the whole state. Call it a trial run if you will, this committee seen the potential for it to become what the former TN/KY all star game use to be.
With that being said, things have also changed in the selection process. There is now a combine for potential players. You don't automatically receive and invitation and are on the team. You have to show up to the combine and make the team if im not mistaken. Another problem is coaches have to nominate there players, and then get everything else done. Some coaches wont do this because there lazy.
If you got a QB who threw for 6,000 yards, broke several state records, but played a bunch of 0-10 teams every week, and then rolls in Kluntz from Simon Kenton, the differences are going to be blatantly obvious and total yards don't mean you've got a better player. This is where things like a combine help.

Again, this is just what ive been told. I don't know that is word for word like it is, because im not apart of it, but I think its pretty close.

[bac2369]

Wonder why the Hudson kid wasn't picked for this game or the Arnett kid.