[Cardinalfootballguy]

I'm hoping Sheldon Clark can move down into 2A

[HDE]

Yes they are. Newly consolidated schools have the option of playing down to start things off. I thought you would know this since Harlan County was allowed to play down in there first year.

No where in my post did I say that anyone could play down for travel reasons. That is why teams play up.


I will say this though. If they don't allow some teams to play down in the next alignment that shouldn't, then some classes will be really heavy on one side like 5A will be in the west.
Im interested to see what happens with Letcher and Perry.

There were two, I think, and both for one year only to complete a two-year or four-year cycle. They finished out Mercer and Cawood's schedules. No one has been allowed to play down in a new alignment, only to complete an old one. That's not what you were talking about because no schools in 5A are closing.

[RunItUpTheGut]

There were two, I think, and both for one year only to complete a two-year or four-year cycle. They finished out Mercer and Cawood's schedules. No one has been allowed to play down in a new alignment, only to complete an old one. That's not what you were talking about because no schools in 5A are closing.

You were the one that said "never".
Ive done got you friend.
Take a seat.

[RunItUpTheGut]

3A was a little difficult:

District 1: Caldwell County, Fort Campbell, Paducah Tilghman, Trigg County, Union County
District 2: Adair County, Bardstown, Elizabethtown, Hart County, LaRue County, Thomas Nelson
District 3: Christian Academy-Louisville, DeSales, Henry County, Waggener, Western Hills, Central
District 4: Boyle County, Casey County, Lexington Catholic, Garrard County
District 5: Breathitt County, Estill County, Jackson County, Powell County, Rockcastle County
District 6: Bell County, Corbin, Knott County Central, McCreary Central
District 7: Belfry, Lawrence County, Pike County Central, Sheldon Clark
District 8: Fleming County, Lewis County, Morgan County, Russell

Pendleton County

I left out Pendleton County because I had no idea where to put them.

That is a tough one!
There really the only true NKY team in 3A under this format.
I would imagine that they would be allowed to play up to 4A to be in that Highlands district if that was the case allowing Central to step back in to 3A and play in your district 3.

What better? Travel two hours for each district game or play up and be in Highlands district every year?

[RunItUpTheGut]

I'm hoping Sheldon Clark can move down into 2A

I guess the only way it could happen is if 3 2A schools were allowed to play up, but im not sure how that works. As our good friend HDE said, teams aren't allowed to play down for any reason (other than the one I mentioned) however if 3 schools play up, I guess that would relieve Knott, Desales, and SC to play in 2A.

If I were to guess, I would bet SC will remain 3A.

[HDE]

You were the one that said "never".
Ive done got you friend.
Take a seat.

This is a discussion about a new alignment. You don't choose to play down.

[I Rule The World]

Do a 2a district...

[redstorm]

3A district 6
Corbin, Bell Co. Jackson Co. Rockcsstle Co and McCreary Co.
JMO

[redstorm]

You are not allowed by the KhSAA to play down or up anymore!!!

[Lone Ranger]

As I posted in the other thread. No way Mercer County is 3A with a 2year avg of 465.5. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the "play up/play down" deal. I don't remember many instances at all of a team playing down, but there have been plenty of teams play up in class for various reasons. In past there has been a period after the draft alignments and districting came out that schools could petition KHSAA for moving districts and that included possibility of playing up in class if justified. I have seen nothing that would say this will not be the case this time around. But who knows. KHSAA will determine that as always anyway.

[blue1424]

That is a tough one!
There really the only true NKY team in 3A under this format.
I would imagine that they would be allowed to play up to 4A to be in that Highlands district if that was the case allowing Central to step back in to 3A and play in your district 3.

What better? Travel two hours for each district game or play up and be in Highlands district every year?

Right now they aren't participating in district play, so I wonder if they will continue to sit out. That would make things a lot easier.

[RunItUpTheGut]

As I posted in the other thread. No way Mercer County is 3A with a 2year avg of 465.5. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the "play up/play down" deal. I don't remember many instances at all of a team playing down, but there have been plenty of teams play up in class for various reasons. In past there has been a period after the draft alignments and districting came out that schools could petition KHSAA for moving districts and that included possibility of playing up in class if justified. I have seen nothing that would say this will not be the case this time around. But who knows. KHSAA will determine that as always anyway.

You are right. It was a copy and paste error on my part.
I have double checked everything and have edited them to be correct.
Mercer is 4A and it slid Central back down to 3A.

Thanks for catching that.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Just for fun, I put the 4A teams into districts:

District 1: Calloway County, Hopkins County Central, Hopkinsville, Madisonville-North Hopkins
District 2: Allen County-Scottsville, Franklin-Simpson, Warren East, Warren Central
District 3: Breckinridge County, Central, John Hardin, Moore, Nelson County, Western
District 4: Collins, Franklin County, North Oldham, Shelby County, Spencer County
District 5: Marion County, Russell County, Taylor County, Wayne County
District 6: Clay County, Knox Central, Letcher County Central, Perry County Central
District 7: Bourbon County, Harrison County, Highlands, Holmes, Mason County, Scott
District 8: Ashland Blazer, Boyd County, East Carter, Greenup County, Johnson Central, Rowan County

Travel wouldn't be much of a problem in the west, but in the east there would be some long bus rides to playoff games.

Mercer need to go in somewhere and Central needs to go to 3A.

[blue1424]

If this were the alignment for 2A, there would be a lot of geographic problems. I tried to put them into districts but it was a bit of a mess.

- Ballard Memorial, Mayfield, and Murray would be in District 1. However, there aren't any other teams to reasonably put in this district.
- Todd County Central is off by themselves and would be forced to be in a district with Ballard Memorial, Mayfield and Murray.
- The District 2 I came up with might work: Butler County, Hancock County, McLean County, Owensboro Catholic, Webster County
- District 3 wouldn't be bad either: Clinton County, Edmonson County, Glasgow, Green County, Metcalfe County, Monroe County
- Edmonson County to Clinton County would be almost a 2 hour drive though.
- Fort Knox and Shawnee are currently in a 7-team district, 5 of those are no longer in 2A with this. That results in a spread out District 4: Danville, Fort Knox, Lexington Christian, Shawnee, Washington County
- District 5 would stay the same: Carroll County, Gallatin County, Owen County, Trimble County, Walton-Verona
- District 6 would also remain the same besides the loss of Bishop Brossart to 1A: Holy Cross (Covington), Lloyd Memorial, Newport, Newport Central Catholic
- I had a hard time coming up with District 7 and 8 with the following teams: Allen Central, Bath County, Betsy Layne, Leslie County, Magoffin County, Middlesboro, Prestonsburg, Shelby Valley, Somerset, West Carter

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
A lot of people get mad when they see how the KHSAA aligns these district, but its not as easy as it looks, and im sure schools are bothering them non stop with proposals of where they want to play.

[blue1424]

Mercer need to go in somewhere and Central needs to go to 3A.

Mercer County could either go in District 4 or 5, but a drive to Wayne County would be further than North Oldham. They would be in between two districts and it might be best for them to move up to 5A since they border Anderson and Jessamine Counties.

Central would go to District 3 in 3A.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
Ill edit it for you.

[RunItUpTheGut]

We were talking about how tough 3A already was and my screw up made it even hard because Central is much stronger than Mercer is at this time.

Talk about a competitive class.

[RunItUpTheGut]

It seems there use to be an abundance of EKY teams 20 years ago before mass consolidations began. Now its hard to have more than 4 team district in the east in several classes.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Will 6A continue to alternate district seedings and region for playoffs?

[footballfever]

It seems there use to be an abundance of EKY teams 20 years ago before mass consolidations began. Now its hard to have more than 4 team district in the east in several classes.

20 years ago there were 4 classes. Now there are 6!!!

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
True, but still.
Harlan County, Letcher County, etc. all have taken away a lot of smaller teams.

[Buc-a-roo]

There were two, I think, and both for one year only to complete a two-year or four-year cycle. They finished out Mercer and Cawood's schedules. No one has been allowed to play down in a new alignment, only to complete an old one. That's not what you were talking about because no schools in 5A are closing.

This is correct.

You were the one that said "never".
Ive done got you friend.
Take a seat.

I see what you are saying now, but I think the confusion started when you said teams had the OPTION of playing down. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, but "option" suggests they can choose, which they can not. Nobody has an option of playing down. As HDE has so kindly pointed out, a couple of consolidated schools were temporarily placed into an alignment slightly lower than their new enrollment dictates in order to complete existing schedules. This was a KHSAA decision, not an option exercised by the schools in question.

[Buc-a-roo]

You are right. It was a copy and paste error on my part.
I have double checked everything and have edited them to be correct.
Mercer is 4A and it slid Central back down to 3A.

Thanks for catching that.

Mistakes happen.

This had to be considerable work, right? Having to go pull enrollment numbers for every school, from two different reports. Then to get an average 4 year male enrollment and arrange that in order from top to bottom so you could break it down in classes.

No wonder there are a couple of bugs.

Just curious, RIUTG, how long did it take you to crunch all them numbers?

[KYHSFBFan]

Going by this realignment, 5A is overloaded with west teams.
This makes it hard to even things out. Very hard.
Some schools that are close and border each other would have to be separated into opposite district to even make it remotely work. Its the reason some schools are allowed to play up and down, but if it was forced to play in this way, this is the closest thing I could come up with. Maybe some of you WKY fans could break down the west a little better. There are a couple of 6 team district in the west to offset two four-team district in the east.

Region 1

District 1

Graves County
Marshall County
Christian County
Ohio County
Owensboro
Apollo


District 2

Bowling Green
South Warren
Barren County
Greenwood
Logan County

Region 2

District 3

North Bullitt
Bullitt East
Bullitt Central
South Oldham
Southern
Grayson County

District 4

Atherton
Valley
Doss
Iroquois
Fairdale

Region 3

District 5

Covington Catholic
Conner
Cooper
Grant County

District 6

Woodford County
West Jessamine
East Jessamine
Anderson County
Montgomery County

Region 4

District 7

Pulaski County
Madison Southern
Southwestern
Lincoln County

District 8

North Laurel
Whitley County
Harlan County
South Laurel

As you can see, by allowing Perry and Letcher to play in the east, teams like Owensboro and Apollo in the west could drop to 4A, and by letting John Hardin play in 5A, and dropping another, it would really ease the tension off the geography hurdles.

I could see Ohio Co going from D1 to D2 and Barren Co going into the district with Southwestern and Pulaski Co.. Barren is about as close to Somerset as they are BGreen.. You could also pull S.Oldham out of D3 and put them in with the NKy district. Those swaps would eliminate any 6 team districts.

[KYHSFBFan]

1a would look like this:

D1 - Fulton City, Fulton Co, Russellville, Crittenden Co
D2 - Caverna, KCD, Holy Cross, Bethlehem
D3 - Frankfort, Eminence, Paris, BBrossart
D4 - Beechwood, Bellevue, Ludlow, Dayton
D5 - Lynn Camp, Camp'ville, W'Burg, Berea
D6 - Hazard, Harlan, Jenkins, Pineville
D7 - Raceland, Fairview, Nicholas Co, Bracken Co
D8 - Pikeville, Paintsville, S.Floyd, Phelps

[KYHSFBFan]

Class 2A

Fort Knox 190.5
Trimble County 202.5
Betsy Layne 207.5
Ballard Memorial 207.5
Holy Cross Covington 213.5
Middlesboro 215
Newport Central Catholic 219
Newport 223.5
Murray 225
Mayfield 228 1A Last Year
Lexington Christian 230
Clinton County 230
Metcalfe County 232.5
Owensboro Catholic 235.5
Allen Central 238 1A Last Year
Mcclean County 241
Walton Verona 247
Danville 247.5
Hancock County 248.5
Gallatin County 249
Somerset 252.5
Leslie County 252.5
Green County 257
Carroll County 259
Owen County 270.5
Lloyd Memorial 271.5
Shelby Valley 275
Glasgow 280
Butler County 281.5
Todd County Central 287.5
Washington County 288
West Carter 288.5 3A Last Year
Shawnee 288.5
Monroe County 291.5 3A Last Year
East Ridge 296.5 3A Last Year
Magoffin County 303 3A Last Year
Webster County 303.5 3A Last Year
Edmonson County 306
Prestonsburg 308
Bath County 311.5 3A Last Year

2a Would likely look like this:

D1 - Ballard Mem, Murray, Mayfield, Webster Co, Todd Central
D2 - OB Catholic, Hancock Co, McLean Co, Butler Co
D3 - Glasgow, Edmonson Co, Monroe Co, Metcalfe Co
D4 - Ft Know, Shawnee, Washington Co, Danville, Green Co
D5 - Carroll Co, Gallatin Co, Trimble Co, Owen Co, LCA
D6 - NCC, Lloyd Mem, Newport, Cov H.Cross, W.Verona
D7 - Middlesboro, Leslie Co, Clinton Co, Somerset, Magoffin Co
D8 - Bath Co, W.Carter,S.Valley, Prestonsburg, E.Ridge

[geauxtigers75]

Perry's enrollment has taken a huge hit in the past few years, literally 150-200 less kids there now than there was in 2009-2010, really fast and big drop in numbers. I'd have to agree with Gut when he says this time PCC and LCC might have to stay in 4A, i'm just very curious about what district we end up in, do we move into the Rock/Knox/Russell district or do we get moved in with Johnson Central? As far as geography and travel time is concerned, we need to stay in 5A, but our numbers are so low now it seems much harder to justify.

[E's Army]

1a would look like this:

D1 - Fulton City, Fulton Co, Russellville, Crittenden Co
D2 - Caverna, KCD, Holy Cross, Bethlehem
D3 - Frankfort, Eminence, Paris, BBrossart
D4 - Beechwood, Bellevue, Ludlow, Dayton
D5 - Lynn Camp, Camp'ville, W'Burg, Berea
D6 - Hazard, Harlan, Jenkins, Pineville
D7 - Raceland, Fairview, Nicholas Co, Bracken Co
D8 - Pikeville, Paintsville, S.Floyd, Phelps

That looks like a likely scenario. It would keep most districts in place and not increase travel for most schools.

[tebow]

1A and 2A have been posted and no Betsy Layne. So where will they go?