[dawg fan]

Lc had around 50 players in 2013 but only had 35 in 2012. And I don't think it matters how old you are when your down 35 in the 3rd quarter and you only have 2 first downs all game and not gained more than yards on any running play. It is time to open up the play book a little try something else. And if you watch lc's belly option it is 5 on 8 or 9 at the point of attack. They seldom pull anybody and rarely does the qb follow the fb through the hole. Belfry is successful with there schem because they have the linemen to do it haywood has been there forever and those players are brought up in that system. Cecil may get it there but its not there yet cecil is the 3ird coach in the last 5 or 6 years. Thst is why I say lc has team and belfry has a program.

[Do-double-gg]

Lc had around 50 players in 2013 but only had 35 in 2012. And I don't think it matters how old you are when your down 35 in the 3rd quarter and you only have 2 first downs all game and not gained more than yards on any running play. It is time to open up the play book a little try something else. And if you watch lc's belly option it is 5 on 8 or 9 at the point of attack. They seldom pull anybody and rarely does the qb follow the fb through the hole. Belfry is successful with there schem because they have the linemen to do it haywood has been there forever and those players are brought up in that system. Cecil may get it there but its not there yet cecil is the 3ird coach in the last 5 or 6 years. Thst is why I say lc has team and belfry has a program.

I hope Cecil can get it there. I like to use Belfry as a measuring stick because they are as good a program as we have in Eastern Kentucky and they are in our district. When a lot of people in this area are asked how Belfry is so good they always chalk it up to transfers or something dumb like that.
You can have talent transfer in all day but if you don't have a good program and coaching you still wont win when it matters.
My question is does he get involved with youth league and middle school stuff. Does he have the coaches in the lower leagues on the same page with his system and playbook.
Is he working hard to get the good athlete's to come out for football.
If you want to have a strong program and be competitive year in and year out then it takes more then average work or all you will get is average.
If your not doing all the little small things to give yourself every advantage you can get then why even bother.
I guess it goes with that old saying,"if your going to do something you might as well do it right"
There are a whole lot of more small things then what I listed but those are just a few.
I just want to know that we have a coaching staff in place who are doing everything they can to make the program better.

[Do-double-gg]

I hope Cecil can get it there. I like to use Belfry as a measuring stick because they are as good a program as we have in Eastern Kentucky and they are in our district. When a lot of people in this area are asked how Belfry is so good they always chalk it up to transfers or something dumb like that.
You can have talent transfer in all day but if you don't have a good program and coaching you still wont win when it matters.
My question is does he get involved with youth league and middle school stuff. Does he have the coaches in the lower leagues on the same page with his system and playbook.
Is he working hard to get the good athlete's to come out for football.
If you want to have a strong program and be competitive year in and year out then it takes more then average work or all you will get is average.
If your not doing all the little small things to give yourself every advantage you can get then why even bother.
I guess it goes with that old saying,"if your going to do something you might as well do it right"
There are a whole lot of more small things then what I listed but those are just a few.
I just want to know that we have a coaching staff in place who are doing everything they can to make the program better.

Or are they doing just enough to field a team every year and get a paycheck?
We have a lot of teams in this area who year after year are just mediocre and if you play that team or see that team twice in one year they look just as bad in the last game of the year as they did in the first.
Now a lot of people will defend a coaching staff no matter what and say things like they work hard and are good with the kids.
Being a good hard worker and being good with the kids are good traits to have as a coach but in the real world things like that alone wont result in wins on the field. If you take people on BGR's word for it then we don't have any bad coaches in the state of Kentucky "lol" but that's just not realistic.
I truley believe and don't care what you say, but I believe a coaching staff like Belfry has could take over the worst team in Eastern Kentucky with the same kids and give em just one off season and they would have that same team playing twice as good.

[Do-double-gg]

Heard alot of the same thing along our section of us 23. I regaurds to the system LC runs offensively, Belfrey played against a wide open offense in Wayne Co, and still won a state title. The same things r being said at Russell. But the Vear, Bone, Double Wing, Wing T can and will always be successful at the HS level. Reading misdirection is one of the hardest things to coach. It's about personel and play calling within a given system, and adapting to the players you have.

I have no problem with running the ball. I think it's hard to find anything more exciting to see then a run perfectly blocked and the back going to the house.
The only problem I have is some teams don't work on passing a whole lot and when they get against a good defense who stack the box and dare you to throw they have no answer. Some teams when a good defense stacks the box and hits em in the mouth and most of the yards they get are negative they just keep running like the defense is going to suddenly forget how to play at some point. My main problem is teams in this area when going up against a team who really knows how to throw and catch we end up looking like we have never seen a pass play in our life. I think teams in this area need to work on pass defense more then pass offense IMO.

[topnotch]

I have A question, should feeder program coaches follow the High school coaches play book and method or should they be given the latitude to explore their ideas and search for a broader or different method of accomplishment. As a elementary coach I personally would not want to coach if my ideas were not accepted and I couldn't run a play in a certain situation just because the high school coach wouldn't. What if I as an elementary coach go to my first practice and see a kid throwing a football like it is a baseball and has the best talent I have ever seen. should I make an effort to explore his ability or possibility or should I stick to the script?
Have you ever arrived early to a high school football game and watched the QB and ends warm up? They are throwing the ball all over the field, then, the game starts and the closest you will get to seeing a pass thrown is when your team is on offense and it is 3rd and 12 or 15. when the Mt, teams develop passing and pass because they can and not because they have to we will have much better football teams in the mt.
I WONDER HOW MANY Mt QUARTERBACKS WE WASTE, We usually take the best athlete we see and right then and there make him the QB and he spends the rest of his high school career handing off the football. IMO MT football is just as good as any other however until we learn to throw the football we will never realize our potential.

[DevilWatcher]

I have A question, should feeder program coaches follow the High school coaches play book and method or should they be given the latitude to explore their ideas and search for a broader or different method of accomplishment. As a elementary coach I personally would not want to coach if my ideas were not accepted and I couldn't run a play in a certain situation just because the high school coach wouldn't. What if I as an elementary coach go to my first practice and see a kid throwing a football like it is a baseball and has the best talent I have ever seen. should I make an effort to explore his ability or possibility or should I stick to the script?
Have you ever arrived early to a high school football game and watched the QB and ends warm up? They are throwing the ball all over the field, then, the game starts and the closest you will get to seeing a pass thrown is when your team is on offense and it is 3rd and 12 or 15. when the Mt, teams develop passing and pass because they can and not because they have to we will have much better football teams in the mt.
I WONDER HOW MANY Mt QUARTERBACKS WE WASTE, We usually take the best athlete we see and right then and there make him the QB and he spends the rest of his high school career handing off the football. IMO MT football is just as good as any other however until we learn to throw the football we will never realize our potential.

Very good paragraph. You could have been describing Russell this past decade. People outside our program never realized how many passing plays Russell use to have. Our coach just never liked putting the ball up in the air. Russell had wasted a few QBs in the past. One QB from a couple years back has walked on to EKU to play quarterback and could barely scrape up a highlight film. Year after year everyone would stack the box and Russell would try and grind it out. Show me a team that does each very well (pass/run) and you will see them win championships. With a few exceptions.

[Do-double-gg]

I have A question, should feeder program coaches follow the High school coaches play book and method or should they be given the latitude to explore their ideas and search for a broader or different method of accomplishment. As a elementary coach I personally would not want to coach if my ideas were not accepted and I couldn't run a play in a certain situation just because the high school coach wouldn't. What if I as an elementary coach go to my first practice and see a kid throwing a football like it is a baseball and has the best talent I have ever seen. should I make an effort to explore his ability or possibility or should I stick to the script?
Have you ever arrived early to a high school football game and watched the QB and ends warm up? They are throwing the ball all over the field, then, the game starts and the closest you will get to seeing a pass thrown is when your team is on offense and it is 3rd and 12 or 15. when the Mt, teams develop passing and pass because they can and not because they have to we will have much better football teams in the mt.
I WONDER HOW MANY Mt QUARTERBACKS WE WASTE, We usually take the best athlete we see and right then and there make him the QB and he spends the rest of his high school career handing off the football. IMO MT football is just as good as any other however until we learn to throw the football we will never realize our potential.

I see where you are coming from and I don't completely disagree. If I was a coach I would have no problem with my feeder coaches throwing in their own wrinkles and I would encourage that they work with the kids to see who has some hidden ability like the kid throwing it like a baseball.
My point was that when the feeder teams run the same system and playbook as the High School and then you get freshman who have ran your system since the A team then that I think puts you in a huge advantage over schools that don't. This is just my opinion but I know the kids at a program like Belfry are brought up in coach Haywood's system and how can you argue with that programs success.

[topnotch]

I may be wrong but I have been a pretty successful coach, I do not believe you get the same boys with the same ability every year, I think if I don't change my football to fit my personell I want be a successful coach. some people believe you should run the same offense every year some believe you should have a standard of rules I don't. I believe our children are constantly changing and if I didn't see this and as adults do not recognize this in our team it will soon pass us by. Each group of kids are different sometimes our strength comes from speed sometimes we have a group of gifted receivers some times we have really brusing power runners. sometimes we discover a hell of A QB In short I believe the personell should dictate our coaching. not our coaching dictate our personell. I believe that our success is dictated by our kids not our x and Os
if they are having fun you will win your share.

[Do-double-gg]

I may be wrong but I have been a pretty successful coach, I do not believe you get the same boys with the same ability every year, I think if I don't change my football to fit my personell I want be a successful coach. some people believe you should run the same offense every year some believe you should have a standard of rules I don't. I believe our children are constantly changing and if I didn't see this and as adults do not recognize this in our team it will soon pass us by. Each group of kids are different sometimes our strength comes from speed sometimes we have a group of gifted receivers some times we have really brusing power runners. sometimes we discover a hell of A QB In short I believe the personell should dictate our coaching. not our coaching dictate our personell. I believe that our success is dictated by our kids not our x and Os
if they are having fun you will win your share.

I don't know you or where you coached but I must ask how many championships did you win? Like I said in my last post a lot of Belfry people will tell you that they run Haywood's system untill they are in High school. I'm not going to say that is the best way or the only way to do things but They must be doing something right. I'm not a Belfry lover but I respect that program and I think you should always compare your program to the best in the area and try to mirror yours after theirs. Not one team in the Mountains or coach has had as much success as Haywood or the Belfry program in the last 10 to 15 years. If I were to ask around I would say that a lot of other successful programs in the state of Kentucky also run the High School system in the lower leagues.

[topnotch]

I know Phillip he does a BIT different and is very good at it. they are good but I wonder just how good they could be if they had a passing game.

[Do-double-gg]

I know Phillip he does a BIT different and is very good at it. they are good but I wonder just how good they could be if they had a passing game.

Now on that you and I can agree. I made that very comment to a Belfry fan a while back, but he didn't want to hear it.
I believe if Belfry had a passing game even half as good as the run game they put on the field each year then we could probably be talking about Belfry as 2011,2012 and 2013 champs IMO. Those last two games against Central were very close and a strong passing game could be the difference.

[Do-double-gg]

I have A question, should feeder program coaches follow the High school coaches play book and method or should they be given the latitude to explore their ideas and search for a broader or different method of accomplishment. As a elementary coach I personally would not want to coach if my ideas were not accepted and I couldn't run a play in a certain situation just because the high school coach wouldn't. What if I as an elementary coach go to my first practice and see a kid throwing a football like it is a baseball and has the best talent I have ever seen. should I make an effort to explore his ability or possibility or should I stick to the script?
Have you ever arrived early to a high school football game and watched the QB and ends warm up? They are throwing the ball all over the field, then, the game starts and the closest you will get to seeing a pass thrown is when your team is on offense and it is 3rd and 12 or 15. when the Mt, teams develop passing and pass because they can and not because they have to we will have much better football teams in the mt.
I WONDER HOW MANY Mt QUARTERBACKS WE WASTE, We usually take the best athlete we see and right then and there make him the QB and he spends the rest of his high school career handing off the football. IMO MT football is just as good as any other however until we learn to throw the football we will never realize our potential.

I don't claim to know everything but this is how I look at it. I think sometimes coaches in little league and middle school take things just a little to serious.
IMO the main point of those younger leagues is to introduce the kid to the sport and teach the basics and fundamentals of the game, but most of all to slowley get the kid ready for the highest level wich is High School, because let's face it, probably 95% percent of the kids will never go any further then that in the sport.
This I think is the problem when you let those coaches do what they want. You get coaches who start to get the big head and they think they are Vince Lombardi or something and they all want to do their own thing. So now you have kids who go to the A team then B then C then D then they play middle school for a few years. On all those teams the coaches are doing something different, but then the kid goes to high school so confused and then guess what, another new playbook and system. Not to mention that the HS coaches have to take valuable time away from the varsity to get the JV up to speed. I think if you can get freshman kids who have already ran your system for 5 or 6 years or more then they can hit the ground running and don't need as much work. I think this is why you see so many freshman playing and making an impact right out of the gate at some of the better programs. So basically you are getting freshman that are almost like at a sophomore level. This is all just my opinion and I could be wrong, but it makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

[topnotch]

You as a coach would have to set out what fundementals you want them to master, Stance, lead off, blocking technique, tackling, speed drills, catching. and a lot more, but you also have to let the kids have fun and compete, a pay back to a coach is allowing him to figure out how to beat the other coaches. YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT FUN FOR PLAYERS AND COACHES> I would consider some kind of situation where the coaches are forced to throw the ball some percent of the offense, I honestly believe 50 50

[EKUAlum05]

Now on that you and I can agree. I made that very comment to a Belfry fan a while back, but he didn't want to hear it.
I believe if Belfry had a passing game even half as good as the run game they put on the field each year then we could probably be talking about Belfry as 2011,2012 and 2013 champs IMO. Those last two games against Central were very close and a strong passing game could be the difference.

Yes and no.

As a Belfry fan there have been times (specifically those championship games mentioned) where I would have loved to see Belfry's passing game execute better or more often.

The reality is this is High School Football...not college.... where you typically don't have control over the talent pool you have to work with. What makes Belfry so good is they are basically one big machine with interchangeable parts. The offense is simple, it is repeatable, it plays to the talent pool at Belfry's disposal, and it is designed so that if an injury occurs or you suffer a great deal of loss with graduation that the drop off is not immense.

This is actually a pretty common practice across the landscape of HS Football Nationally with smaller schools lacking a ton of athletic talent. I just finished a book yesterday called "Our Boys" which talked about a team in Kansas called Smith Center. This is a 2A School in Kansas who widely is amongst the Top 5 teams in their state regardless of classification and had a 71 game win streak. They have a dwindling population, it is one of the poorest counties in the entire country, and have essentially no African American athletes. Yet somehow this school has produced numerous D-1 players and even a couple NFL players.

They run 99% of the time and use maybe 4 plays total (obviously with different options and reads), yet what makes them so good is those 4 plays are engraved by the time they enter High School. The author asked the Coach (whose philosophies are eerily similar to Haywood on a lot of things) how many passing plays are in your playbook? Too which he responded "Too many". In the Championship season the book followed they threw the ball a grand total of 16 times..

The point of what I am saying is Belfry would be a better team if they could go 8 for 8 passing every game for 145 yards an 2 TD. The problem is they cannot without trading off something else. Haywood's offense and defense work in cohesion. There is a reason Belfry converts 3rd and 2 in State Semi-Finals games at a freakish percentage. There is a reason Belfry always peaks at the right time and Sophomore linemen you never heard of step up in place of an injured player and never miss a beat. There is a reason that from 2003 until the present Belfry has only failed to reach a Semi-Finals once. That reason is Belfry is a machine designed to do a very specific job over and over and over with each time being as precise as before.

Belfry's program has always been strong, but the two greatest runs in the program' s history (80's- Early 90's and 2003-Present) came when the Belfry feeder program was at it's strongest. The first run was when Belfry had great coaches at the feeder level..probably as good if not better than anyone in KY.. mixed with an "up" talent pool. The most recent is a direct correlation to the revitalization of the feeder system by Coach Mickey when the Middle School consolidated, competition was upped, and Belfry's offense/defense was universally coached by a great coaching staff.

In all my years of following HS Football I am convinced that in order to field a highly competitive program it begins and ends with:
- A feeder system working in concert from the grassroots level up with highly skilled and enthusiastic coaches
- A sense of culture and pride cultivated by traditions, coaching stability, and discipline that people want to be a part of
- Community/Adminsitrative support from the Grassroots up
- Coaches who can "recruit" their own school to ensure numbers stay high and the best athletes available are on the football field

Think about Lawrence County's greatest run in school history and how they accomplished it and subsequently how it has fallen off. It will mirror those points. The single greatest issue that has lingered at Lawrence County was the coaching turnover beginning with Chuke's retirement. The conflicting styles that negatively affected the feeder program from the top down. A decrease in support on the whole and a loss of qualified coaches in the Middle School ranks. Ultimately a sufficient drop in roster numbers and elite athletes who focused on baseball or basketball.

[EKUAlum05]

Show me a team that does each very well (pass/run) and you will see them win championships. With a few exceptions.

Here's the issue though... how many teams fit this description? Specifically in the smaller school ranks?

I completely agree that if you have a team that can throw for 200 yards and run for 200 yards and play great defense every night they will absolutely dominate. Everyone agrees.

EVERY single coach in America would scrap their Wing-T, Flexbone, or Empty Spread in a heartbeat if they knew every year they could do this. Phillip Haywood would run the read option with three WR's. Ivan McGlone would take over Lewis County and run Jet Sweeps, Sluggos, and TE Wheel Routes.

How come it doesn't happen then?

How come the only teams in KY who seem to be able to have this balance are the same teams every year (Highlands, CovCath, Mayfield, Trinity, St. X, Boyle County (during Smith's tenure)?

All of those teams either have the most elite of coaching staffs or have an abundance of talent far surpassing the teams they match up against.


What typically ends up happening instead is you don't have the players to fill in the holes across the board and have a blaring weakness. That or you simply are mediocre across the board.

If you knew every year you had a 75 man roster with 10 skilled offensive guys, 10 skilled defensive guys, a QB with an accurate arm and good footwork, 4 or 5 Stout Linebackers with 4.6 speed, a 6'4 TE with basketball skills, a QB harassing DE off the edge, and a bunch of dominating linemen who were adept and run blocking and pass blocking you would have a balanced system and dominate.. you'd absolutely crush everything in your path. In 99.99% of the country that will not ever happen with an enrollment of 800 students or less. The only way that happens is it you can pull enough talent in from talent pool flow from adjacent areas or you develop talent yourself. Once again, propositions that don't just happen.

Pike Central is a great offensive football team for a smaller school. They typically have a 1000 yard rusher, a duel threat QB, and the ability to put up points passing in a hurry. They play their best players on offense. Their defense is typically awful. Painfully bad. Their lineplay is shotty against quality teams and typically their annual matchup with Belfry is close for a Half before Belfry destroys them. Pike Central simply does not have enough players to go around and an average feeder system.

[topnotch]

I agree with about every thing you said however, You cannot show me anything that proves you can't throw the football, If you could see the teams that play and use the pass play as apart of their offense, They have fun and the fans and players love it/.
I have as my favorite team Williamsburg, they get off the bus throwing the football.
it is a circus like atmosphere lots of fun they throw the ball about 85% No one leaves the field if you did you may miss a spectaclur play.

[EKUAlum05]

I agree with about every thing you said however, You cannot show me anything that proves you can't throw the football, If you could see the teams that play and use the pass play as apart of their offense, They have fun and the fans and players love it/.
I have as my favorite team Williamsburg, they get off the bus throwing the football.
it is a circus like atmosphere lots of fun they throw the ball about 85% No one leaves the field if you did you may miss a spectaclur play.

The point was not that you have to be 100% run...I am saying that the teams like a Belfry use that system because it is the most fool proof and easiest to adopt across the board. The crux of the point was that it comes down to implementing your system from the grassroots up and making the most of the talent you have. Just as there are 95% run teams like Belfry there are also 90% pass teams as well. Breathitt was a prime example of this until their feeder system collapsed.

My argument is that it is VERY rare that you find a small school who can effectively maintain not only a balanced offense, but a very good balanced offense. Simply put..smaller schools don't have enough players to fill 22 starting spots to be really good at every phase. It is much easier to be excellent at one phase and perfect that art than having to adjust, re-coach, and pray that injuries don't occur.

Even then... balance still doesn't guarantee championships. Bourbon County is a prime example of that. IMHO, they were the most balanced and dynamic team in KY from Class A, AA, and AAA the past two years. Loaded with talent at WR, a Top 10 QB in the State, and a Top 5 RB in the State. They steamrolled inferior competition but when they played run only Belfry they turned into a completely different looking team. Bourbon coudn't handle the precision of Belfry and the Pirates exposed weaknesses and frustrated the Colonels when things that worked all year was suddenly taken away

[Fly Like a Duck]

Little League teams need about 6 plays tops.

90% fundamentals and 10% scheme.

I saw some LL teams in one county last year win their 9-10, 11-12 year old divisions by running about 6 plays Three formations (one being a true unbalanced, tackles over..people have no clue how to adjust to these) and the MOST overlooked aspect at any level when it comes to the guys upfront? Splits.

Fundamentals. Fundamentals. Fundamentals. If the HFC at the local school wants his LL learning the core parts of their offense, do them. Have your own little wrinkle or two? Sure. Absolutely.

[Fly Like a Duck]

..and, I'm not so sure 6 isn't too many.

[Do-double-gg]

Yes and no.

As a Belfry fan there have been times (specifically those championship games mentioned) where I would have loved to see Belfry's passing game execute better or more often.

The reality is this is High School Football...not college.... where you typically don't have control over the talent pool you have to work with. What makes Belfry so good is they are basically one big machine with interchangeable parts. The offense is simple, it is repeatable, it plays to the talent pool at Belfry's disposal, and it is designed so that if an injury occurs or you suffer a great deal of loss with graduation that the drop off is not immense.

This is actually a pretty common practice across the landscape of HS Football Nationally with smaller schools lacking a ton of athletic talent. I just finished a book yesterday called "Our Boys" which talked about a team in Kansas called Smith Center. This is a 2A School in Kansas who widely is amongst the Top 5 teams in their state regardless of classification and had a 71 game win streak. They have a dwindling population, it is one of the poorest counties in the entire country, and have essentially no African American athletes. Yet somehow this school has produced numerous D-1 players and even a couple NFL players.

They run 99% of the time and use maybe 4 plays total (obviously with different options and reads), yet what makes them so good is those 4 plays are engraved by the time they enter High School. The author asked the Coach (whose philosophies are eerily similar to Haywood on a lot of things) how many passing plays are in your playbook? Too which he responded "Too many". In the Championship season the book followed they threw the ball a grand total of 16 times..

The point of what I am saying is Belfry would be a better team if they could go 8 for 8 passing every game for 145 yards an 2 TD. The problem is they cannot without trading off something else. Haywood's offense and defense work in cohesion. There is a reason Belfry converts 3rd and 2 in State Semi-Finals games at a freakish percentage. There is a reason Belfry always peaks at the right time and Sophomore linemen you never heard of step up in place of an injured player and never miss a beat. There is a reason that from 2003 until the present Belfry has only failed to reach a Semi-Finals once. That reason is Belfry is a machine designed to do a very specific job over and over and over with each time being as precise as before.

Belfry's program has always been strong, but the two greatest runs in the program' s history (80's- Early 90's and 2003-Present) came when the Belfry feeder program was at it's strongest. The first run was when Belfry had great coaches at the feeder level..probably as good if not better than anyone in KY.. mixed with an "up" talent pool. The most recent is a direct correlation to the revitalization of the feeder system by Coach Mickey when the Middle School consolidated, competition was upped, and Belfry's offense/defense was universally coached by a great coaching staff.

[COLOR="Red"]In all my years of following HS Football I am convinced that in order to field a highly competitive program it begins and ends with:
- A feeder system working in concert from the grassroots level up with highly skilled and enthusiastic coaches
- A sense of culture and pride cultivated by traditions, coaching stability, and discipline that people want to be a part of
- Community/Adminsitrative support from the Grassroots up
- Coaches who can "recruit" their own school to ensure numbers stay high and the best athletes available are on the football field[/COLOR]
Think about Lawrence County's greatest run in school history and how they accomplished it and subsequently how it has fallen off. It will mirror those points. The single greatest issue that has lingered at Lawrence County was the coaching turnover beginning with Chuke's retirement. The conflicting styles that negatively affected the feeder program from the top down. A decrease in support on the whole and a loss of qualified coaches in the Middle School ranks. Ultimately a sufficient drop in roster numbers and elite athletes who focused on baseball or basketball.

Spot on!!!:Thumbs:

[Iron Horse]

LC needs a good feeder program, IMO this is one of their biggest problems. They need to start in 4th or 5th grade and travel a little with them little guys. I didn't watch it but someone said their middle school team went to a passing tournament last month and they wasn't very impressed. I believe they have the kids to do it if they could get them out to play.
Come LC bring back that football tradition you once had.

[Do-double-gg]

I ran into a few of the kids playing this year in town yesterday.
Things don't sound all that promising with the turn out for weight lifting and spring workouts. They said Grant Kiser's arm looks good and they got the O'Brian kid back at tailback so that ads some speed in the backfield.
Neither of the Dalton boys are going out for football this year but I'm not sruprised with that. We have way more talent walking the halls of LCHS then what is represented on this football team and I wish we could get some of those kids to take a look at football. I think we will win more games then we lose but some of that will be because of problems at the other schools.

Boyd Co. I give us a win in this game because we beat this team pretty bad last year.

Rowan Co. I give us a win in this game because we also beat this team pretty bad last year.

Fairview. I gave us a win in this one also. They beat us last year but anyone who was at this game could see that we were a little taken back in the 1st half of this game, but gave em all they wanted in the 2nd half. I think Fairview lost their coaching staff and a lot of players so they will probably be way down from last year.

Breathitt Co. I give us a win in this game because even though this game was pretty close for the 1st 3 quarters last year I think they lost way more then we did so I like our chances.

East Carter. I think we win this game going away untill they prove they can beat us and they haven't in a long time.

Sheldon Clark. I think we win this one again.

Raceland. I don't know what Raceland has comeing back but this game was very close last year so I'm not going to call this one yet till I get some more info.

Pike Central. This game was like a tale of two different teams for the Dawg's last year just like the Fairview game. I believe this was one we let get away last year but from what I hear they just lost the coach and some players are jumping ship so I like our chances.

Belfry. I would love to say something better but.............?

Prestonsburg. This was another I think we let get away but this Black Cat team got better and better as the year went on last year. From what I hear they return about everything so this could be a good one.

[mysonis55]

Is this another one of 64's adopted teams?

[Iron Horse]

Now I don't want to cause a negative post but who is their coach over at LC ? And who is in charge of the middle school ?

[Do-double-gg]

Now I don't want to cause a negative post but who is their coach over at LC ? And who is in charge of the middle school ?

The head coach of the high school team is Joey Cecil.
I honestly have no idea who is coaching the middle school team this year but maybe someone who does can elaborate. Coach Cecil is in his 3rd or 4th year as head coach. The team didn't do all that bad last year but I think IMO that a lot of it had to do with how poor a lot of teams we had on the schedule were like Boyd and Rowan Counties. I think our highest quality win last year was against a very good Raceland team but they are only 1A. This team IMO got worse in the last half of the season last year and that is when you are suposed to start playing your best ball. The Dawg's in my own opinion last year were about an average team for 3A standards.

[Iron Horse]

I really believe from everything I hear LC has the students/players to be great again. It sounds like the coaches just need to get it out of them and maybe work on their feeder system a little more. There has to be a lot of talent in that school system. How long do you guys see them keeping their coach ?

[Do-double-gg]

I really believe from everything I hear LC has the students/players to be great again. It sounds like the coaches just need to get it out of them and maybe work on their feeder system a little more. There has to be a lot of talent in that school system. How long do you guys see them keeping their coach ?

I will stay away from this one lol. :eyeroll:

[Iron Horse]

I didn't mean anything by it, I just know LC used to be a powerhouse in high school football and maybe the coach they have now will bring them back to that.

[Do-double-gg]

I didn't mean anything by it, I just know LC used to be a powerhouse in high school football and maybe the coach they have now will bring them back to that.

It's ok, I just try to stay away from stuff like that because some people on BGR will pounce on you if you dare to question a coach or the job he is doing.
I know this from experience.

[pjdoug]

I have no problem with running the ball. I think it's hard to find anything more exciting to see then a run perfectly blocked and the back going to the house.
The only problem I have is some teams don't work on passing a whole lot and when they get against a good defense who stack the box and dare you to throw they have no answer. Some teams when a good defense stacks the box and hits em in the mouth and most of the yards they get are negative they just keep running like the defense is going to suddenly forget how to play at some point. My main problem is teams in this area when going up against a team who really knows how to throw and catch we end up looking like we have never seen a pass play in our life. I think teams in this area need to work on pass defense more then pass offense IMO.

I agree. I've seen this way too much over the years. you have to keep a defense guessing or you're in trouble.