[TheRealThing]

As incredible as it is in America that we are allowed and encouraged to vote, I firmly believe that if $10-$12 to purchase a photo ID was all that stood in my way to do it, I would get it done. I understand to some people that $12 is a LOT of money, sometimes 2-3 hours worth of work. However, for the privilege that comes with voting, you make it happen.

This is the exact opposite of the poll taxes back in the day. Those were intended to keep the people that HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE from voting. It seems as if requiring legal photo ID is intended to keep people that DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE from voting.

Exactly right LWC.

[TheRealVille]

Then they wont let me vote and I cant let that happen.
I still don't understand what is so difficult about showing ID.

Yes, you can still vote. If they make you show a photo id, they are breaking the law. If they don't let you vote, if you don't have your id, they are breaking the law. Check out the rules below. Forms of id examples include a DL, but anything with your name on it will work, even a credit card(which I've used), or a utility bill. Even in states that require photo id's, the person can still vote, but have to sign an afidavit. It amazes me that people don't take the time to learn the rules of voting.

NOTE: Be prepared to show proof of identification when you vote. Examples include your driver’s license or identification card.

Without identification or personal affiliation with the polling officer, you must vote provisionally. See below.

Provisional Voting
Even if you’ve had some trouble with your voter registration or identification requirements, you may still be able to vote provisionally.

Examples of situations in which you’d be required to vote provisionally include:

You’ve registered to vote but your name doesn’t show up on the roster.
You show up at the polls without proper identification and no personal acquaintance with the polling officer.
Your status has been challenged by all precinct election officers.
Talk with the election officers at your precinct’s polling place to find out if provisional voting is an option for you.

http://www.dmv.org/ky-kentucky/voter-registration.php

[TheRealThing]

Yes, you can still vote. If they make you show a photo id, they are breaking the law. If they don't let you vote, if you don't have your id, they are breaking the law. Check out the rules below. Forms of id examples include a DL, but anything with your name on it will work, even a credit card(which I've used), or a utility bill. Even in states that require photo id's, the person can still vote, but have to sign an afidavit. It amazes me that people don't take the time to learn the rules of voting.





http://www.dmv.org/ky-kentucky/voter-registration.php

:hilarious: You go to the Kentucky voter website where you find and paste this; "Examples include your driver’s license" as part of your post, in which they clearly state they can ask to see one's driver's license. Then, you try to say they would break the law if they ask you to see your driver's license. :igiveup:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Yes, you can still vote. If they make you show a photo id, they are breaking the law. If they don't let you vote, if you don't have your id, they are breaking the law. Check out the rules below. Forms of id examples include a DL, but anything with your name on it will work, even a credit card(which I've used), or a utility bill. Even in states that require photo id's, the person can still vote, but have to sign an afidavit. It amazes me that people don't take the time to learn the rules of voting.





http://www.dmv.org/ky-kentucky/voter-registration.php

People don't need to learn the rules of voting. Go in and show an ID. Why is that so hard? Ive voted in both Whitley and Laurel Counties and in both counties ive been asked to show a drivers license or ID card.
Ive always done it out of habit but I assume had I not had one they may have gave me the option to show a credit card. I really wouldn't know.


However, why is this a problem for dems in any form? I would think every American would be for showing ID when it comes to voting.
If an eighteen year old walks into a convenient store to buy beer, a credit card will not be sufficient.

[tomcatfan722000]

Do you remember back during the Presidential debates when Obama was bashing Mitt Romney for business exploits where he had money invested out of country? He went on and on about it leading up to the debate. Mitt made a monkey out of him when he pointed out before the entire nation that Obama himself has substantial out of country investments in his own retirement portfolio. LOL, that was one of the only times I have seen Obama unable to speak as he was taken aback so badly.

There are always two sides to every story. Headlines in the article I saw about your allege in "The Week", dated Oct 4, 2011 went as follows; "The Koch brothers 'bombshell': Bribes, crimes, and illegal trade with Iran?"
Bloomberg digs up dirt on liberals' favorite boogeymen — the Tea Party-bankrolling billionaires Charles and David Koch .....This is the article you used is it not? At any rate, it would be difficult to establish a credible argument to say the authors were not biased when the calling the Koch's "Tea Party-Bankrolling billionaires."

The deal in Saudi Arabia was the work of one rogue manager according to the Koch's. You shouldn't have a lot of trouble assigning some measure of plausibility to that if you're on board with the rationale about Benghazi and the IRS scandal where it has been alleged over and over ad-nauseum that two rogue agents started and perpetrated the whole Tea Party targeting rampage.

This is part of the Koch's response; KORVA COLEMAN: For months Senate Majority leader Harry Reid has made a sport of bashing billionaires David and Charles Koch for donating millions to tax exempt groups pushing to win back Republican control of the Senate. But it turns out, the biggest spending outside group in this election cycle isn’t the Koch brothers, it’s a super PAC with ties to Senator Reid. NPR’s Peter Overby reports.
http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/

Big business is not bad for America. They provide millions of jobs and after all, somebody has to work around here. Contrary to the Dem party line, everybody can't do artwork.

ok so you believe one rouge manager. What about William Koch vs Koch industries? This is there own brother refering to the company as organized crime I believe?

[tomcatfan722000]

People don't need to learn the rules of voting. Go in and show an ID. Why is that so hard? Ive voted in both Whitley and Laurel Counties and in both counties ive been asked to show a drivers license or ID card.
Ive always done it out of habit but I assume had I not had one they may have gave me the option to show a credit card. I really wouldn't know.


However, why is this a problem for dems in any form? I would think every American would be for showing ID when it comes to voting.
If an eighteen year old walks into a convenient store to buy beer, a credit card will not be sufficient.

My issue with it is not that it is wrong in principle. Just prove to me voter fraud is a significant problem in determining elections. A waste of congresses time and money. The Republican party would rather spend time arguing over this or voting over fifty times to repeal all or part of the ACA but have yet to introduce a job bill to congress. Arguing over a law the majority of the country is in favor of and an issue that is virtually non existent is nothing but a distraction on how disastrous the economic policies of the Republican party have become.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

My issue with it is not that it is wrong in principle. Just prove to me voter fraud is a significant problem in determining elections. A waste of congresses time and money. The Republican party would rather spend time arguing over this or voting over fifty times to repeal all or part of the ACA but have yet to introduce a job bill to congress. Arguing over a law the majority of the country is in favor of and an issue that is virtually non existent is nothing but a distraction on how disastrous the economic policies of the Republican party have become.

Voter fraud is not the main problem. The main problem is that we have too many uninformed voters who have no investment in the country. They vote strictly on the basis of who they believe will give them more freebies. From your recent posts, I conclude that you are a Democrat. Your party couldn't win an election without the votes of the ignorant and the non-contributors. In other words- the takers.

I have always felt that the country would operate much better if it were run more like a corporation. In a corporation, only the shareholders (the true owners) have a right to vote. Thus, we would obviously be far stronger if only those who actually pay income taxes had the right to vote. Of course, that would insure that your boys and girls would never win an election unless they dropped all the pandering to the takers and became more responsible.

And, where did you get the idea that most favor Obamacare? Was it the same source that said that Clueless Barbie is ahead of McConnell?

Go Redskins!

[tomcatfan722000]

Voter fraud is not the main problem. The main problem is that we have too many uninformed voters who have no investment in the country. They vote strictly on the basis of who they believe will give them more freebies. From your recent posts, I conclude that you are a Democrat. Your party couldn't win an election without the votes of the ignorant and the non-contributors. In other words- the takers.

I have always felt that the country would operate much better if it were run more like a corporation. In a corporation, only the shareholders (the true owners) have a right to vote. Thus, we would obviously be far stronger if only those who actually pay income taxes had the right to vote. Of course, that would insure that your boys and girls would never win an election unless they dropped all the pandering to the takers and became more responsible.

And, where did you get the idea that most favor Obamacare? Was it the same source that said that Clueless Barbie is ahead of McConnell?

Go Redskins!

I agree too many people vote along party lines. They see that D or R and that's who they vote for no questions asked. While I do more so lean to the left side of the isle there are Republicans I like and respect both currently and throughout history. Honestly I wish the party system we have in place was non existent and people voted for just candidates. No registering as a Republican or Democrat either. But as far as the ACA fighting and campaigning against it has not worked well for the GOP its why you are seeing less tv adds attacking the law.second people voted twice for president Obama not everyone approves but the majority of the nation wanted this in 2012.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Nonetheless, limit voting to actual income taxpayers who actually pay the bills of the country and the Democrats couldn't survive as a major party.

[tomcatfan722000]

Nonetheless, limit voting to actual income taxpayers who actually pay the bills of the country and the Democrats couldn't survive as a major party.

so I ask you? What about a single mom who's husband left her high and dry. Beforehand never took any assistance at once owned her own home and was considered part of the middle class. Now she works fourty hours a week. Lives in government housing and receives food stamps medical cards and tax breaks for her children. I ask because I personally know many people like this and they do not pay income tax but you would take away her right to vote? Just because someone doesn't technically pay income tax doesn't make them a drain on society. Its the ones who can afford to pay the taxes that refuse to we should all be worried about.

[WideRight05]

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[TheRealThing]

ok so you believe one rouge manager. What about William Koch vs Koch industries? This is there own brother refering to the company as organized crime I believe?

The interfamily disputing among the Koch brothers looks more like a fight over power and money to me. And since Bill has chosen to be the odd man out it could be all about jealousy. My point is that the Dems need to paint a face on conservativism. They've tried to do it with the Tea Party and obviously the Koch's. From the bogus Republican war on women to blaming them for the emergence of ISIS. Heck, they even got by (to a degree) with blaming George W for hurricane Katrina. It all boils down to Dems attacking Republicans 24/7. You never see Republicans starting this stuff though they have recently mustered enough courage to counterpunch a little bit.

[tomcatfan722000]

The interfamily disputing among the Koch brothers looks more like a fight over power and money to me. And since Bill has chosen to be the odd man out it could be all about jealousy. My point is that the Dems need to paint a face on conservativism. They've tried to do it with the Tea Party and obviously the Koch's. From the bogus Republican war on women to blaming them for the emergence of ISIS. Heck, they even got by (to a degree) with blaming George W for hurricane Katrina. It all boils down to Dems attacking Republicans 24/7. You never see Republicans starting this stuff though they have recently mustered enough courage to counterpunch a little bit.

first off any politician that does not support a fair pay act for women has a war against them. Second president bush was blamed for a slow response to hurricane Katrina not the hurricane itself. And for the Koch brothers how about a 25million dollar settlement for stealing oil in 2001 a 30 million dollar settlement for ignoring warnings about a pipleline in Texas that would eventually bust in 1994. And 8 million dollars in fines for dumping over 600,000 gallons of jet fuel into the Mississippi river during the 90's. For a total of 63 million dollars. However this some of money is far less than the 115 billion dollars the company is valued at thanks in large part to shady business practice.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

first off any politician that does not support a fair pay act for women has a war against them. Second president bush was blamed for a slow response to hurricane Katrina not the hurricane itself. And for the Koch brothers how about a 25million dollar settlement for stealing oil in 2001 a 30 million dollar settlement for ignoring warnings about a pipleline in Texas that would eventually bust in 1994. And 8 million dollars in fines for dumping over 600,000 gallons of jet fuel into the Mississippi river during the 90's. For a total of 63 million dollars. However this some of money is far less than the 115 billion dollars the company is valued at thanks in large part to shady business practice.

I don't know what sources you use for your "facts" but I have a good idea. What about the latest of many contributions of the Koch Brothers- $100,000,000.00 for a hospital update.

As for equal pay for women, that is a red herring. The left is arguing for equal pay for similar jobs- not the same job. For example, they use a librarian and a carpenter as equal jobs and whine because the carpenter makes more. Ridiculous comparison. Similar jobs don't compare. Check men and women with the same credentials and the same experience. They make the same. If this weren't the case, the one with lower pay would be running to the labor department.

Give me an example of a woman with the same credentials and experience doing the same job and being paid less. You won't find one. On the other hand, we have a goodly number of naive and/or uninformed women who believe whatever the liberals tell them. It is much like the typical Democrat voter who believes he/she must pull the lever under the donkey in order to insure continuation of all that "entitlement".

[TheRealThing]

first off any politician that does not support a fair pay act for women has a war against them. Second president bush was blamed for a slow response to hurricane Katrina not the hurricane itself. And for the Koch brothers how about a 25million dollar settlement for stealing oil in 2001 a 30 million dollar settlement for ignoring warnings about a pipleline in Texas that would eventually bust in 1994. And 8 million dollars in fines for dumping over 600,000 gallons of jet fuel into the Mississippi river during the 90's. For a total of 63 million dollars. However this some of money is far less than the 115 billion dollars the company is valued at thanks in large part to shady business practice.

Talking points and baloney.

[Bob Seger]

first off any politician that does not support a fair pay act for women has a war against them. Second president bush was blamed for a slow response to hurricane Katrina not the hurricane itself. And for the Koch brothers how about a 25million dollar settlement for stealing oil in 2001 a 30 million dollar settlement for ignoring warnings about a pipleline in Texas that would eventually bust in 1994. And 8 million dollars in fines for dumping over 600,000 gallons of jet fuel into the Mississippi river during the 90's. For a total of 63 million dollars. However this some of money is far less than the 115 billion dollars the company is valued at thanks in large part to shady business practice.

Convenient of you not to mention George Soros and Warren Buffet...How about ole Warren paying his income taxes , since his secretary pays a higher percentage than what he does...Here's the old math 7200000000000000000, 1% is greater than 0%....

[tomcatfan722000]

I don't know what sources you use for your "facts" but I have a good idea. What about the latest of many contributions of the Koch Brothers- $100,000,000.00 for a hospital update.

As for equal pay for women, that is a red herring. The left is arguing for equal pay for similar jobs- not the same job. For example, they use a librarian and a carpenter as equal jobs and whine because the carpenter makes more. Ridiculous comparison. Similar jobs don't compare. Check men and women with the same credentials and the same experience. They make the same. If this weren't the case, the one with lower pay would be running to the labor department.

Give me an example of a woman with the same credentials and experience doing the same job and being paid less. You won't find one. On the other hand, we have a goodly number of naive and/or uninformed women who believe whatever the liberals tell them. It is much like the typical Democrat voter who believes he/she must pull the lever under the donkey in order to insure continuation of all that "entitlement".

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1591286

How about Doctors?

[WideRight05]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1591286

How about Doctors?

You can't be serious. You are using the huffington post and actually looking at it as a valid source?

[tomcatfan722000]

Convenient of you not to mention George Soros and Warren Buffet...How about ole Warren paying his income taxes , since his secretary pays a higher percentage than what he does...Here's the old math 7200000000000000000, 1% is greater than 0%....

how about cause warren buffet isn't buying elections. And while he has made some 100,000 dollar donations to the democratic candidate for governor in Nebraska it is nowhere near the 400 million the Koch brothers have spent on elections. Including millions of dollars right here in our own state.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/warren-buffe...uper-pacs/

[tomcatfan722000]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/warren-buffe...uper-pacs/

[Harry Rex Vonner]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1591286

How about Doctors?

All doctors are not of equal ability and with equal experience. They aren't like union bricklayers.

And as for the single mother whose husband left her and she pays no income taxes, why should she have a vote? She, most likely, takes a lot of welfare from the system but she certainly doesn't contribute to the funding of the country and its programs. No. She absolutely does not deserve a vote. Why should it be otherwise?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

how about cause warren buffet isn't buying elections. And while he has made some 100,000 dollar donations to the democratic candidate for governor in Nebraska it is nowhere near the 400 million the Koch brothers have spent on elections. Including millions of dollars right here in our own state.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/warren-buffe...uper-pacs/

You are starting to sound like Clueless Barbie. First, you say Buffet isn't trying to buy elections and then you mention all the money he gives to Democrats. Neither you nor Clueless Barbie can have it both ways.

Of course, Buffet is trying to buy elections just as are Soros, the Hollywood fruits and nuts, and the moron liberal who opposes the Alaskian Pipeline and is pledging $100,000,000.00 to Democrats as long as the pipeline is rejected by Buck Obama. And, on my side, we have the Koch Brothers doing the same thing. However, at least the Koch Brothers give large amounts to worthy charities. I don't hear that about your people.

You really need to get away from the manure in the Huffington Post and similar liberal rags.

[TheRealVille]

You can't be serious. You are using the huffington post and actually looking at it as a valid source?

Don't you use Fox News?

[WideRight05]

Don't you use Fox News?

I don't trust Fox or any media source. The closest you can get to accuracy is watching everything unfold live on C-SPAN.

There is a lot I want to say here and I want to expand more on this, but don't have the available time at this point.

[RunItUpTheGut]

how about cause warren buffet isn't buying elections. And while he has made some 100,000 dollar donations to the democratic candidate for governor in Nebraska it is nowhere near the 400 million the Koch brothers have spent on elections. Including millions of dollars right here in our own state.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/warren-buffe...uper-pacs/

Ive never understood this premise.
Obviously, they are not paying people personally to go vote.


Its up to the voter to be well informed and make an accurate choice. Just because you see a commercial that the Koch Brother bought doesn't mean you should listen to it. If I owned a diner and put up a sign that said vote republican, it would be no different than what the Kochs are doing, only on a smaller scale.

The biggest problem with this country is they vote the way there told to vote. People aren't smart enough to make there own choices.

[TheRealThing]

Ive never understood this premise.
Obviously, they are not paying people personally to go vote.


Its up to the voter to be well informed and make an accurate choice. Just because you see a commercial that the Koch Brother bought doesn't mean you should listen to it. If I owned a diner and put up a sign that said vote republican, it would be no different than what the Kochs are doing, only on a smaller scale.

The biggest problem with this country is they vote the way there told to vote. People aren't smart enough to make there own choices.

I don't see it quite that way. You're basically right that people don't make the right choices, but I believe people vote for themselves. You hear the rationale all the time and it's being thrown around right now with regard to Mitch McConnell when Dems ask "what has he done for Kentucky?" Of course, politicians have basically done it to themselves in making absurd promises to give the people they serve jobs and the like. But, it all boils down to those promises. Barack Obama came into office making wild promises to everybody. In fact, political cartoonists had a field day in pointing that out. In the past nky and I both, have posted this video of Chicago resident Peggy Joseph immediately following Obama's Presidential win. Her reaction was the same as somebody who had just won the lottery or something.


Low information voters (what I believe you're talking about) are the problem. People are so consumed with their own wants and problems they don't have a clue what's going on around them. Sort of like fighting over staterooms on the Titanic while the ship is going down. All they know is what they want. Therefore, if there are two candidates and one of them is promising them the moon, that's who they vote for. I believe Obama bought the Presidency with promises of free health care and extended welfare benefits. Likewise, the Congress buys votes with promises of free stuff. It's hard to campaign against that, with a call to self governance and continued freedom along with equality of opportunity, when you're speaking to a generation of voters who've been brought up to think the government is their sugar daddy.

That's how the Dems are able to sell the whole idea that Republicans are rich self absorbed white men that don't care about the lower class's problems. They do care but, are convinced the way we help folks is to provide them safety and equal opportunity. Not just hand them anything they can imagine, down to cell phones and spending money. Unless and until politicians stop causing the problems with buying elections, favors for votes, we are without hope.
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"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." [/SIZE] ---Benjamin Franklin

[tomcatfan722000]

Convenient of you not to mention George Soros and Warren Buffet...How about ole Warren paying his income taxes , since his secretary pays a higher percentage than what he does...Here's the old math 7200000000000000000, 1% is greater than 0%....

you mean the George soros who was valued at 5 billion dollars compared to the 35 billion a piece of the kotch brothers in 2011. Surely you are not saying 5 billion is the same as 70 billion.

[Bob Seger]

The more you rattle on, the dumber you make yourself look, junior.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

you mean the George soros who was valued at 5 billion dollars compared to the 35 billion a piece of the kotch brothers in 2011. Surely you are not saying 5 billion is the same as 70 billion.

Actually, it is "Koch Brothers". And, you may want to extend your investigation to cover just how the Koch Brothers have made their money and how much they contribute to charitable causes. Then, do the same in regard to Soros. If you check with credible sources, you will be enlightened.

[Bob Seger]

Actually, it is "Koch Brothers". And, you may want to extend your investigation to cover just how the Koch Brothers have made their money and how much they contribute to charitable causes. Then, do the same in regard to Soros. If you check with credible sources, you will be enlightened.

When he does his research it's all those pictures where you have to use crayons to finish it (aka the liberalist's handbook) up that gets him all confused Harry.