[RunItUpTheGut]

I was refreshing up on the new handbook given by the KHSAA and seen one rule in particular I was curious about.

QUARTER PARTICIPATION LIMITATION

Have had several questions regarding the new restriction on quarters played, which will be placed in the football competition rules in the Handbook. As a reminder, as part of the changes, there is now a limit the number of quarters played by each player once contests begin. Each player is limited to eight quarters per week in contests, from Friday through the following Thursday, starting with the Friday of Week 0. If contests have quarters that are six minutes or less, each quarter played counts as one-half of a quarter toward the eight-quarter limit. Any contest with periods longer than six minutes counts as a full quarter for each quarter played. By rule, overtime is an extension of the 4th quarter and does not count as an additional period(s).


So in other words, you wont be able to play a freshmen in Monday nights JV game, Thursday nights frosh game, and then Fridays varsity game. Most coaches don't do this anyways, but I have seen it.

Thoughts?

[pjdoug]

I was refreshing up on the new handbook given by the KHSAA and seen one rule in particular I was curious about.

QUARTER PARTICIPATION LIMITATION

Have had several questions regarding the new restriction on quarters played, which will be placed in the football competition rules in the Handbook. As a reminder, as part of the changes, there is now a limit the number of quarters played by each player once contests begin. Each player is limited to eight quarters per week in contests, from Friday through the following Thursday, starting with the Friday of Week 0. If contests have quarters that are six minutes or less, each quarter played counts as one-half of a quarter toward the eight-quarter limit. Any contest with periods longer than six minutes counts as a full quarter for each quarter played. By rule, overtime is an extension of the 4th quarter and does not count as an additional period(s).


So in other words, you wont be able to play a freshmen in Monday nights JV game, Thursday nights frosh game, and then Fridays varsity game. Most coaches don't do this anyways, but I have seen it.

Thoughts?

Who will keep track of this? Will it be enforced?

[RunItUpTheGut]

Also, what are everyones thoughts on the required rules about pads, practice, and games?
Is this an intrusion of the coaches and what they want to do with there teams, or is the KHSAA correct in adopting these policies?
The days of being full pads the first day after the dead period are long gone.

Sec. 6) Sports Specific Limitations- Football
a) Organized practice shall be structured in football as follows:
(1) Football drill work and practice activity shall be defined in the following five categories:
Level 0-“Air”-Players run a drill unopposed without contact.
Level 1-“Bags” – Drill is run against a bag or another soft-contact surface.
Level 2-“Control” – Drill is run at assigned speed until the moment of contact; one player is pre-determined the ‘winner’ by the coach. Contact remains above the waist and players stay on their feet.
Level 3-“Thud” – Drill is run at assigned speed through the moment of contact; no pre-determined “winner.” Contact remains above the waist, players stay on their feet and a quick whistle ends the drill.
Level 4-“Live Action”-Drill is run in game-like conditions and is the only time that players are taken to the ground.
(2) Contact and non-contact shall be defined as follows:
“Contact” will be defined as drills run at the Level 3-Thud and Level 4-Live Action Level, and Drills run at the Level 0-Air, Level 1-Bags and Level 2-Control level shall be defined as “Non-Contact”
All drills in shells (shorts, shoulder pads and helmets) shall be “Non-Contact”.
In helmets- only, only Level 0-“Air” and Level 2-“Bags” drills may be conducted
(3) From the end of the season through the day prior to the first day of spring practice; and from the last day after spring practice through May 31, schools may not issue football equipment included in NFHS Rule 1-5 including helmets, with the exception of an all-star game or individual camp as detailed. During these periods, schools may not organize or participate in any football activities that allow players to be in football gear, even if contact does not occur.
(4) From June 1 through June 24, schools may not issue football equipment included in NFHS Rule 1-5 other than the helmet, with the exception of an all-star game or individual camp as detailed. During these periods, schools may not organize or participate in any football activities that allow players to be in football gear included in NFHS Rule 1-5 other than the helmet, even if contact does not occur. Activity during this period may not include contact (Level 3-”Thud” or Level 4-”Live Action”. The KHSAA catastrophic insurance provided by the Association is not in effect during this period. Heat index monitoring guideliness must be complied with during any activity.
(5) During the period beginning on the day immediately following the dead period (Bylaw 24) and through July 31, member schools may participate in non-contact interscholastic simulations (i.e. 7 on 7) and such participation does not count against scrimmage limitations provided that the first practice in full gear has not been conducted and drills using Level 3-Thud and Level 4-Live Action Level have not been conducted. The school issued helmet may be used during these activities, but no other equipment included in NFHS Rule 1-5 may be used. The KHSAA catastrophic insurance is in effect for these simulations if other schools are involved. Heat index monitoring guideliness must be complied with during any activity;
(6) Preseason and during season practice in football shall be as follows:
a. Heat index monitoring guideliness must be complied with during any activity;
b. Beginning July 10, the first legal organized practice wearing a helmet may be conducted. The first five (5) days of organized practice shall be in helmets only. Only Level 0-“Air” and Level 1-“Bags” drills can be conducted. The KHSAA catastrophic insurance is in place for these drills and practice sessions;
c. Beginning July 22, practice may be conducted in shells (shorts, helmets, shoulder pads) for each player who has had at least five days in helmets only. Only Level 0-“Air”, Level 1-“Bags” and Level 2-“Control” drills can be conducted. The KHSAA catastrophic insurance is in place for these drills and practice sessions;
d. Beginning August 1, practice may be conducted in full gear for all players who have had at least three practices wearing shells (helmets and shoulder pads). Level 0-“Air”, Level 1-“Bags”, Level 2-“Control”, Level 3-“Thud” and Level 4-“Live action” drills can be conducted however Level 3-“Thud” and Level 4-“Live action” drills can only be conducted in one practice per day;
e. Once full gear practice and drills using Level 3-Thud and Level 4-Live Action Level have begun, practice shall adhere to the following restrictions:
i. Cannot have multiple contact practices on any day where Level 3-“Thud” and Level 4-“Live action” drills are conducted;
ii. On days when two practices of any type are held, a total limit of 5 hours per day of practice, not including the mandatory break shall be allowed, with no single practice exceeding three (3) hours. Water breaks, rest breaks and injury treatment shall not count against the 5-hour limit. Weight training, conditioning, required meetings, required sport and skill specific film study, and teaching period/walk through simulations without equipment shall count against 5-hour limit;
iii. On days when only one practice of any type is held, a total limit of 3 hours per day of practice shall be allowed. Water breaks, rest breaks and injury treatment shall not count against the 3-hour limit. Weight training, conditioning, required meetings, required sport and skill specific film study, and teaching period/walk through simulations without equipment shall count against 3-hour limit;
iv. A 3-hour break is required after a contact practice where Level 3-“Thud” and Level 4-“Live action” drills are conducted during which no activity can be held and the athletes are located where cooling and recovery is possible. During this break, there can be no gear worn, and no activity that in any way simulates football or football drills. This restriction is in place regardless of where the practice occurs including camps, home practices, or other workout areas. This period is solely for rest/recovery;
v. Weight training, conditioning, meetings, film study, and teaching period/walk through simulations without equipment may not be conducted during the three-hour required break;
vi. Beginning on Monday of the week the first scrimmage is played by the school, each school may participate in “Thud” or “Live Action” drills and game time simulations (not including contests or legal scrimmages) for no more than ninety-minutes per team, per week;
vii. A non-contact simulation (7 on 7) or any other type of competition against another school in any form may not be held with the exception of the two (2) allowed scrimmages, and the allowable games;
viii. After the opening day of the school year, a school shall not conduct multiple on-field practice sessions on the same day; and
ix. All schools shall upon request, submit any required documentation to verify the proper execution of the practice regulations, including scrimmage, contact, and Heat/Humidity Measurement and Compliance Programs.
b) After August 1 and prior to the opening varsity game of the season, there shall be no more than two (2) scrimmages or practice games per member school (grades 9-12) with players other than members of the squad.
c) The first game shall not take place prior to the Friday eleven (11) weeks prior to the week of the first round of the football playoffs.
d) The season shall consist of a maximum of ten (10) regular season games and the opportunity to play regular season games shall conclude at the end NFHS corresponding week 17. Any school may play one of the allowable regular season games during Week 0 (normally NFHS corresponding week 7) provided that the total schedule does not exceed ten (10) regular season games and that the allowable number of scrimmages is reduced to one.
e) Provided that at least one classification within the KHSAA conducts playoffs that last five (5) weeks, any school that chooses to compete for a district title and is placed in a classification where only four (4) weeks are needed to complete the playoffs may play an additional regular season contest (total of 11 contests), the last of which can be played during the first round of the playoffs for the other classifications.
f) The opportunity to participate in regular season contests shall end at all levels of play (grades 9-12) on the Saturday preceding the first KHSAA Tournament (District, Region or State), with the exception that the varsity team may practice and play through its elimination from KHSAA sanctioned tournament play. Following elimination, there shall be no further practice or play during the remainder of the academic school year.
g) Each player, in order to be eligible to participate against another school and to become acclimatized and acclimated, shall have taken part in a minimum of five (5) practices over five (5) days in helmets only, three (3) practices in helmet and shoulder pads over three (3) days followed by three (3) contact practices over three days.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Who will keep track of this? Will it be enforced?

One would think youd have to include it in your stats, as they are required now by the KHSAA, and one of the stats is "games" in which you record the players that go in, however there are a bunch of teams still not reporting stats as it is, and anyone could lie.

Im assuming, its nothing more than a faith and honor system nicker:

[pjdoug]

I think the KHSAA needs to be more strict and stop showing favoritism

[TopCat]

The quarter deal will be terrible on the smaller schools. We will see the end of freshman football in those schools.

The rules I think are good things. Anything to make sports safer is good.

[Real Badman]

I can't wait until football is dead. Then we can all go play grab ass with each other following a cupcake break.

[pjdoug]

One would think youd have to include it in your stats, as they are required now by the KHSAA, and one of the stats is "games" in which you record the players that go in, however there are a bunch of teams still not reporting stats as it is, and anyone could lie.

Im assuming, its nothing more than a faith and honor system nicker:

bunch of no good cheatin' liars ain't gonna report nothin' lol

[EKUAlum05]

I could see this rule really hurting the small schools.

[specialteams5]

I have been around High School football from the time I could walk circa 1982, I've been a water boy a player and now a coach. I realize that these rules are for players safety, however I can remember watching the practices as a kid and seeing players licking the dew off of the grass to get some water in during morning full tilt two a days. It was just such a different time and an era of football that we will never see again. It died in the late 90's. The game has changed, players have changed, rules have changed, And attitudes have changed. It would be so nice to go back to the 80's when even the bad teams would go out and go to war. I guess I'm rambling but in the end you play like you practice. I am just not a fan of half speed when you cross that line onto the gridiron.

[Thrillex]

This really only hurts freshman who might play Frosh, JV and Special Teams on Varsity. I figure a lot of Smaller schools (1A-2A) do not have Freshman team.

Freshman- 8 minute Quarters would count as 4 Quarters
JV-6 Minute Quarters would count as 2 Quarters

So does a Head Coach choose to have a Freshman on Special Teams for 2 quarters, or let him develop in Frosh/JV?

[Sportsfanatic2015]

bunch of no good cheatin' liars ain't gonna report nothin' lol

McCreary will, they have reported themselves in the past. :biggrin::biggrin:

[WILDCAT NATION]

I have been around High School football from the time I could walk circa 1982, I've been a water boy a player and now a coach. I realize that these rules are for players safety, however I can remember watching the practices as a kid and seeing players licking the dew off of the grass to get some water in during morning full tilt two a days. It was just such a different time and an era of football that we will never see again. It died in the late 90's. The game has changed, players have changed, rules have changed, And attitudes have changed. It would be so nice to go back to the 80's when even the bad teams would go out and go to war. I guess I'm rambling but in the end you play like you practice. I am just not a fan of half speed when you cross that line onto the gridiron.

I too remember those days. Drinking water thru the vent holes in your helmet after you filled it up from a hose. Times, players, and attitudes have changed. I also remember being on both good and bad teams in the 80's but never once went into a game thinking we could lose. We were as good as anyone we played in our smaller world. With today's media obsessed society alot of teams are beat before they take the field because they have read all week on a dozen different outlets that they cannot compete.

[pjdoug]

I have been around High School football from the time I could walk circa 1982, I've been a water boy a player and now a coach. I realize that these rules are for players safety, however I can remember watching the practices as a kid and seeing players licking the dew off of the grass to get some water in during morning full tilt two a days. It was just such a different time and an era of football that we will never see again. It died in the late 90's. The game has changed, players have changed, rules have changed, And attitudes have changed. It would be so nice to go back to the 80's when even the bad teams would go out and go to war. I guess I'm rambling but in the end you play like you practice. I am just not a fan of half speed when you cross that line onto the gridiron.

We didn't practice in the morning back in the 80's so I didn't get to try any dewnicker:

[pjdoug]

McCreary will, they have reported themselves in the past. :biggrin::biggrin:

Go Raiders!:Cheerlead

[Granny Bear]

I can't wait until football is dead. Then we can all go play grab ass with each other following a cupcake break.

I obviously know how to eat cup cakes!! BUT, I would love for you to explain to me how one plays grab ass!!


nicker:

[pjdoug]

I obviously know how to eat cup cakes!! BUT, I would love for you to explain to me how one plays grab ass!!


nicker:

tare:

[NewNation]

Will only hurt small schools. Should make larger schools better. More kids will be playing. If coaches can use that angle can get more kids out. Good rule for larger schools and will protect kids in smaller schools.

[Real Badman]

I obviously know how to eat cup cakes!! BUT, I would love for you to explain to me how one plays grab ass!!


nicker:

Just wait. Julian Tackett will publish it in 2016 rules edition. I would seriously ask everyone email Mr. Tackett and let him know that football is important to you and your community. Tell that card carrying communist that his new rules are absurd.

[64SUR]

Pray for 1A and 2A school if this happen. Shame on KHSAA :why:

[specialteams5]

You have really missed out if you've never went through a summer of Jack Hall 2 a'days or had to take a hand full of salt pills. My condolences to you sir/pjdoug.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Pray for 1A and 2A school if this happen. Shame on KHSAA :why:

IF?
These are already rules and in effect. Every team better be following them or theyre already in violation.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I too remember those days. Drinking water thru the vent holes in your helmet after you filled it up from a hose. Times, players, and attitudes have changed. I also remember being on both good and bad teams in the 80's but never once went into a game thinking we could lose. We were as good as anyone we played in our smaller world. With today's media obsessed society alot of teams are beat before they take the field because they have read all week on a dozen different outlets that they cannot compete.

A lot of guys exaggerate or lie when talking about how hard they had it in football, but you always know when someone is telling the truth, just like you. Im not exaggerating in the slightest when I say water breaks were a rare occurrence for us. It was widely believed that water wasn't good for you. Thinking about how absurd that sounds now, it makes me glad the rules have changed, but they have begun taking it way too far.
Im curious as to why a team cant go full pads in practice after the first week. We always did, and that was only because they made you go a week in helmets back then before starting full contact drills.
We were always going live drills by this time every year.

[64SUR]

IF?
These are already rules and in effect. Every team better be following them or theyre already in violation.

hh: hh: hh: you made me say IF?....What was your point by pointing this out. Just curious GUT :popcorn:

[HCS]

How many Class A or AA programs play a freshman schedule? I know some in eastern Kentucky don't have enough for JV. If you only have 25 players or so it would be tough to play even twice a week.

[pjdoug]

Pray for 1A and 2A school if this happen. Shame on KHSAA :why:

shame on you for disobeying the rules :gtfo:

[pjdoug]

A lot of guys exaggerate or lie when talking about how hard they had it in football, but you always know when someone is telling the truth, just like you. Im not exaggerating in the slightest when I say water breaks were a rare occurrence for us. It was widely believed that water wasn't good for you. Thinking about how absurd that sounds now, it makes me glad the rules have changed, but they have begun taking it way too far.
Im curious as to why a team cant go full pads in practice after the first week. We always did, and that was only because they made you go a week in helmets back then before starting full contact drills.
We were always going live drills by this time every year.

We were punished and had to kill ourselves before we got water.what does it hurt for a person to hydrate themselves anyway? nicker:

[pjdoug]

You have really missed out if you've never went through a summer of Jack Hall 2 a'days or had to take a hand full of salt pills. My condolences to you sir/pjdoug.

I dont need condolences.I'm alive and spirit never dies :biggrin:

[WILDCAT NATION]

A lot of guys exaggerate or lie when talking about how hard they had it in football, but you always know when someone is telling the truth, just like you. Im not exaggerating in the slightest when I say water breaks were a rare occurrence for us. It was widely believed that water wasn't good for you. Thinking about how absurd that sounds now, it makes me glad the rules have changed, but they have begun taking it way too far.
Im curious as to why a team cant go full pads in practice after the first week. We always did, and that was only because they made you go a week in helmets back then before starting full contact drills.
We were always going live drills by this time every year.

It hurts teams in the fundamentals of blocking and tackling for sure. If they are going to mandate an August 1 full pad rule then the season should be pushed back to week 1 and play thru week 11 (or 12 and allow 11 games). No week 0 and 2 scrimmages allowed after the 1st week of full pads. Limiting scrimmages if you play week 0 is dumb. This would official align HS football with college and pro to start on consecutive weekends and just add to the excitement of the sport IMO. Regional finals would be Thanksgiving weekend and twice the number of teams would get to experience that.

[Willie Turnover]

Monday jv game 4 six minute quarters = 2 quarters
Thursday frosh. game 4 six minute quarters= 2 quarters
Friday varsity game 4 eight minute quarters= 4 quarters
total = 8 quarters

as long as jv games and frosh. games are six minute quarters then a player could play all three in a week.

now I could see a problem with a varsity game on Friday and the next week a varsity game on Thursday. this would eliminate a player from playing a jv game on Monday.