[OutlawJoseyWales]

I state facts. No way Belfry is top 5-7 statewide. They would barely be top 10 in 4A and they wouldn't touch the top 10 in 5A or 6A.

Referring to the actual program... not the specific performance of a team in a particular year. If that were the case Highlands would need to have been left off after this “dry spell” they’ve been through 😂😂. Correct me if I’m wrong but just in the past two seasons on here....the programs were ranked overall (top 50). I believe Belfry did finish top 7. You must have still been banned 😂😂😂😂

[OutlawJoseyWales]

in West Virginia? lol

Only Mingo Co 😂😂

[EKUAlum05]

For the record, if you are talking pound for pound program strength historically:
Beechwood
Mayfield
Highlands
Trinity
Danville

This would be your Top 5 in some order. IMHO, these 5 are clearly in a class of their own.


The next tier would be:
St. X
Male
Boyle County
Cov Cath
Belfry
Central
Pikeville
NewCath
Franklin-Simpson
Corbin


Personally, I think Belfry would be in the 9-12 range overall.

Hard to argue against St. X's 12 Titles or Male's 8 Titles. Boyle also has 8 titles, they just have a shorter history of success as their only blemish. Still think they are a solid #8.

I like Belfry's history more than Franklin-Simpson, Corbin,and you have to give the very slight edge historically over Pikeville and NewCath (but it is very close and those scales have only turned in recent years). Belfry historically seems to be right there with CovCath and Central, I think you have to give Central the edge because they have held up better head to head.CovCath has won titles in 4 different decades which is very impressive, they probably would have a lot more hardware if not for Highlands. With that said, Runner-Up finishes have to be weighed heavily and they don't have a ton of them.

[EKUAlum05]

If I were to throw a ranking:
1. Trinity
2. Highlands
3. Beechwood
4. Mayfield
5. Danville
6. St. Xavier
7. Male
8. Boyle County
9. Central
10. Belfry
11. CovCath
12. Pikeville
13. NewCath
14. Franklin-Simpson
15. Corbin

[WideRight05]

No way Belfry is ahead of CovCath or even NewCath. Highlands should be number one - actually there are three more state titles usually not listed because it was before the KHSAA kept track.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

If I were to throw a ranking:
1. Trinity
2. Highlands
3. Beechwood
4. Mayfield
5. Danville
6. St. Xavier
7. Male
8. Boyle County
9. Central
10. Belfry
11. CovCath
12. Pikeville
13. NewCath
14. Franklin-Simpson
15. Corbin

Pretty fair assessment. EKU.....was it 2 or 3 years ago when someone did a full breakdown ranking and assessment of the state's football programs? FWIW....it was very informative.....interesting too say the least

[Real Badman]

No, I am WideRIGHT! nicker:

In all seriousness, who would you put them over? 4A is loaded now. And we know they don't have the firepower or the depth to compete with the big boys in 5A and 6A.

But Central and DeSales does? I'm not sure how this years team will fare, but I can assure you Belfry would beat a good majority of the teams in upper classes.

Belfry would beat:
Bryan Station, George Rogers Clark, Madison Central, Oldham County, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Paul Laurence Dunbar, Tates Creek, Campbell County, Dixie Heights, Ryle, Simon Kenton, Ballard, Eastern, Bullitt East, Fern Creek, Southern,Butler, DuPont Manual, Pleasure Ridge Park, Barren County, Central Hardin, Meade County, North Hardin Apollo, Daviess County, Henderson County, Marshall County, McCracken County, Collins, East Jessamine, Madison Southern, West Jessamine, Woodford County North Laurel, Pulaski County, South Laurel, Southwestern, Whitley County District 1 – Breckinridge County, Graves County, Grayson County, Muhlenberg County, Ohio County, Owensboro, Christian County, Greenwood, South Warren Bullitt Central, Doss, Fairdale, Iroquois, Western Atherton, Jeffersontown, North Bullitt, Seneca, South Oldham, Boone County, Conner, Cooper, Highlands, Grant County, Great Crossing, Montgomery County, Allen County-Scottsville, Russell County, Warren Central, Warren East John Hardin, Marion County, Moore, Spencer County, Valley, Franklin County, North Oldham, Shelby County, Waggener, Anderson County, Bourbon County, Boyd County, Harrison County, Holmes, Rowan County, Scott, Knox Central, Lincoln County, Wayne County, Clay County, Harlan County, Letcher County Central, Perry County Central, Calloway County, Hopkins County Central, Hopkinsville, Logan County, Madisonville-North Hopkins, Holy Cross (Covington), Lloyd Memorial, Newport, Breathitt County, Knott County Central, Leslie County, Middlesboro, Morgan County
Bath County, East Ridge, Prestonsburg, Shelby Valley, Sheldon Clark, West Carter, Paducah Tilghman, Trigg County, Union County, Webster County, Adair County, Casey County, Glasgow, Hart County, Taylor County, Bardstown, Elizabethtown, LaRue County, Nelson County, Thomas Nelson, Henry County, Mercer County, Western Hills, Bell County, Estill County, Garrard County, Jackson County, McCreary Central, Rockcastle County
Fleming County, Lewis County, Mason County, Pendleton County, Powell County, Ashland Blazer, East Carter, Greenup County, Russell
Floyd Central, Lawrence County, Magoffin County, Pike County Central. Betsy Layne, Fairview, Paintsville, Raceland, Hazard, Jenkins, Phelps, Pikeville, Harlan, Lynn Camp, Pineville, Williamsburg, Ballard Memorial, Caldwell County, Fort Campbell, Murray, Butler County, Hancock County, McLean County, Owensboro Catholic, Todd County Central, Clinton County, Edmonson County, Green County, Metcalfe County, Monroe County, Danville, Lexington Christian, Somerset, Washington County, Carroll County, Gallatin County, Owen County, Shawnee, Walton-Verona, District 1 – Caverna, Crittenden County, Fulton County, Russellville, Bethlehem, Campbellsville, Fort Knox, Holy Cross (Louisville), Berea, Eminence, Frankfort, Kentucky Country Day, Bellevue, Dayton, Ludlow, Newport Central Catholic, Bishop Brossart, Bracken County, Nicholas County, Paris.


You can figure out the teams that would give Belfry a run for their money or beat them easily.

[WideRight05]

But Central and DeSales does? I'm not sure how this years team will fare, but I can assure you Belfry would beat a good majority of the teams in upper classes.

Belfry would beat:
Bryan Station, George Rogers Clark, Madison Central, Oldham County, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Paul Laurence Dunbar, Tates Creek, Campbell County, Dixie Heights, Ryle, Simon Kenton, Ballard, Eastern, Bullitt East, Fern Creek, Southern,Butler, DuPont Manual, Pleasure Ridge Park, Barren County, Central Hardin, Meade County, North Hardin Apollo, Daviess County, Henderson County, Marshall County, McCracken County, Collins, East Jessamine, Madison Southern, West Jessamine, Woodford County North Laurel, Pulaski County, South Laurel, Southwestern, Whitley County District 1 – Breckinridge County, Graves County, Grayson County, Muhlenberg County, Ohio County, Owensboro, Christian County, Greenwood, South Warren Bullitt Central, Doss, Fairdale, Iroquois, Western Atherton, Jeffersontown, North Bullitt, Seneca, South Oldham, Boone County, Conner, Cooper, Highlands, Grant County, Great Crossing, Montgomery County, Allen County-Scottsville, Russell County, Warren Central, Warren East John Hardin, Marion County, Moore, Spencer County, Valley, Franklin County, North Oldham, Shelby County, Waggener, Anderson County, Bourbon County, Boyd County, Harrison County, Holmes, Rowan County, Scott, Knox Central, Lincoln County, Wayne County, Clay County, Harlan County, Letcher County Central, Perry County Central, Calloway County, Hopkins County Central, Hopkinsville, Logan County, Madisonville-North Hopkins, Holy Cross (Covington), Lloyd Memorial, Newport, Breathitt County, Knott County Central, Leslie County, Middlesboro, Morgan County
Bath County, East Ridge, Prestonsburg, Shelby Valley, Sheldon Clark, West Carter, Paducah Tilghman, Trigg County, Union County, Webster County, Adair County, Casey County, Glasgow, Hart County, Taylor County, Bardstown, Elizabethtown, LaRue County, Nelson County, Thomas Nelson, Henry County, Mercer County, Western Hills, Bell County, Estill County, Garrard County, Jackson County, McCreary Central, Rockcastle County
Fleming County, Lewis County, Mason County, Pendleton County, Powell County, Ashland Blazer, East Carter, Greenup County, Russell
Floyd Central, Lawrence County, Magoffin County, Pike County Central. Betsy Layne, Fairview, Paintsville, Raceland, Hazard, Jenkins, Phelps, Pikeville, Harlan, Lynn Camp, Pineville, Williamsburg, Ballard Memorial, Caldwell County, Fort Campbell, Murray, Butler County, Hancock County, McLean County, Owensboro Catholic, Todd County Central, Clinton County, Edmonson County, Green County, Metcalfe County, Monroe County, Danville, Lexington Christian, Somerset, Washington County, Carroll County, Gallatin County, Owen County, Shawnee, Walton-Verona, District 1 – Caverna, Crittenden County, Fulton County, Russellville, Bethlehem, Campbellsville, Fort Knox, Holy Cross (Louisville), Berea, Eminence, Frankfort, Kentucky Country Day, Bellevue, Dayton, Ludlow, Newport Central Catholic, Bishop Brossart, Bracken County, Nicholas County, Paris.


You can figure out the teams that would give Belfry a run for their money or beat them easily.

I highly doubt Belfry would beat all these schools. Maybe some of the smaller ones, especially ones like NCC and Collins. But the 5A and 6A schools that go 5-5, many of them would give Belfry fits if not beat them. Belfry is a solid 3A school. But they're not a top ten program in terms of how solid of a team they are this year or their tradition.

[EKUAlum05]

No way Belfry is ahead of CovCath or even NewCath. Highlands should be number one - actually there are three more state titles usually not listed because it was before the KHSAA kept track.

Belfry has 6 Titles and 7 Runner-Ups.
CovCath has 7 titles and 1 Runner-Up.
NewCath has 5 Titles and 6 Runner-Ups.

Belfry and NewCath would have substantially more Regional Titles than CovCath as well.

To be honest, CovCath's resume is actually considerbaly less impressive than NewCath's at second glance, let alone Belfry's.

The only argument you can make for CovCath to be above either is the "what if" game since Highlands has always been in their path all these years. Obviously that doesn't hold water when judging things based off statistical proof. Even then, both NewCath and Belfry have not been lacking for years that they lost to the eventual State Champ themselves in the playoffs.

It's also worth noting Belfry is 5-1 vs. NCC head to head. Belfry and CovCath have not met.

[EKUAlum05]

Pretty fair assessment. EKU.....was it 2 or 3 years ago when someone did a full breakdown ranking and assessment of the state's football programs? FWIW....it was very informative.....interesting too say the least

Yep.. gchs did it after extensive research and it was fantastic!

He used a points system accounting for all time wins, finals, titles, regional titles, etc.

[WideRight05]

Belfry has 6 Titles and 7 Runner-Ups.
CovCath has 7 titles and 1 Runner-Up.
NewCath has 5 Titles and 6 Runner-Ups.

Belfry and NewCath would have substantially more Regional Titles than CovCath as well.

To be honest, CovCath's resume is actually considerbaly less impressive than NewCath's at second glance, let alone Belfry's.

The only argument you can make for CovCath to be above either is the "what if" game since Highlands has always been in their path all these years. Obviously that doesn't hold water when judging things based off statistical proof. Even then, both NewCath and Belfry have not been lacking for years that they lost to the eventual State Champ themselves in the playoffs.

It's also worth noting Belfry is 5-1 vs. NCC head to head. Belfry and CovCath have not met.

It wouldn't be a what-if game, it's a fact game. Many years CovCath or Johnson Central would be loaded only to not make it through a highlands team that usually was solid enough to pull an upset over a major Ohio school such as Cincinnati St. X. CovCath and Belfry aren't in the same league. Maybe NCC - I'm glad at least Belfry can say they are leading them all-time. But other than that, CovCath is substantially ahead of Belfry because there are many years they would have won state had it not been for Highlands. The only school that might have stopped them is Johnson Central.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

I highly doubt Belfry would beat all these schools. Maybe some of the smaller ones, especially ones like NCC and Collins. But the 5A and 6A schools that go 5-5, many of them would give Belfry fits if not beat them. Belfry is a solid 3A school. But they're not a top ten program in terms of how solid of a team they are this year or their tradition.

Hey....slow down a little bit. The season hasn't even started yetirateSho
nicker:nicker:nicker:

[EKUAlum05]

It wouldn't be a what-if game, it's a fact game. Many years CovCath or Johnson Central would be loaded only to not make it through a highlands team that usually was solid enough to pull an upset over a major Ohio school such as Cincinnati St. X. CovCath and Belfry aren't in the same league. Maybe NCC - I'm glad at least Belfry can say they are leading them all-time. But other than that, CovCath is substantially ahead of Belfry because there are many years they would have won state had it not been for Highlands. The only school that might have stopped them is Johnson Central.

On Today's Episode of the What if Game....:biggrin:

[pjdoug]

For the record, if you are talking pound for pound program strength historically:
Beechwood
Mayfield
Highlands
Trinity
Danville

This would be your Top 5 in some order. IMHO, these 5 are clearly in a class of their own.


The next tier would be:
St. X
Male
Boyle County
Cov Cath
Belfry
Central
Pikeville
NewCath
Franklin-Simpson
Corbin


Personally, I think Belfry would be in the 9-12 range overall.

Hard to argue against St. X's 12 Titles or Male's 8 Titles. Boyle also has 8 titles, they just have a shorter history of success as their only blemish. Still think they are a solid #8.

I like Belfry's history more than Franklin-Simpson, Corbin,and you have to give the very slight edge historically over Pikeville and NewCath (but it is very close and those scales have only turned in recent years). Belfry historically seems to be right there with CovCath and Central, I think you have to give Central the edge because they have held up better head to head.CovCath has won titles in 4 different decades which is very impressive, they probably would have a lot more hardware if not for Highlands. With that said, Runner-Up finishes have to be weighed heavily and they don't have a ton of them.

Does Lynch qualify?

[EKUAlum05]

Does Lynch qualify?

They sure would have while they existed! One of the best stories in EKY athletic history.

[WideRight05]

On Today's Episode of the What if Game....:biggrin:

And in today’s episode, we will see why you are widewrong and wideright is once again right! nicker:

[OutlawJoseyWales]

And in today’s episode, we will see why you are widewrong and wideright is once again right! nicker:

BTW.....where have you been these past several years? Banned? Or just in hiding?

[FoSho]

If I were to throw a ranking:
1. Trinity
2. Highlands
3. Beechwood
4. Mayfield
5. Danville
6. St. Xavier
7. Male
8. Boyle County
9. Central
10. Belfry
11. CovCath
12. Pikeville
13. NewCath
14. Franklin-Simpson
15. Corbin

.......ain't no way Mayfield should be above Danville and I got ties to both.

Also Belfry > Central.

Otherwise looks good.

[WideRight05]

BTW.....where have you been these past several years? Banned? Or just in hiding?

You could say in waiting. I felt like you needed a break from me after getting owned up and down the boards.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

You could say in waiting. I felt like you needed a break from me after getting owned up and down the boards.

Not sure what your talking about....but I see you still live in fantasyland 😂😂😂

[pjdoug]

And in today’s episode, we will see why you are widewrong and wideright is once again right! nicker:

:biglmao:

[#55PirateFan]

Don't know about overall history of Kentucky high school football, but it would be really hard to keep Belfry out of the Top 5 in the State, regardless of class from 2013 to 2016. The Pirates had a four year stretch there that unless your name was Trinity there was none better. A four year stretch that may never be seen again in the Eastern Kentucky mountains with the way the economy is. Just my opinion.

[pjdoug]

Don't know about overall history of Kentucky high school football, but it would be really hard to keep Belfry out of the Top 5 in the State, regardless of class from 2013 to 2016. The Pirates had a four year stretch there that unless your name is Trinity there was none better, just my opinion.

You're talking about the wrong state

[#55PirateFan]

You're talking about the wrong state

Nope, just referring to a team that's relevant year in and year out. Your jealousy is sad. I truly wish you had a team to cheer for so you could stop hating and trolling on the teams that matters threads. I feel sorry for you. But I get it. You could always cheer for a winner in your area, I dont know, may be Corbin. Lol

[pjdoug]

Nope, just referring to a team that's relevant year in and year out. Your jealousy is sad. I truly wish you had a team to cheer for so you could stop hating and trolling on the teams that matters threads. I feel sorry for you. But I get it. You could always cheer for a winner in your area, I dont know, may be Corbin. Lol

I love my team and definitely not jealous of West Virginians

[#55PirateFan]

I love my team and definitely not jealous of West Virginians

Lol! I know you do. How have you been ol friend?

[pjdoug]

Lol! I know you do. How have you been ol friend?

I'm ok I reckon. How are you doing? Go Mountaineers. I mean Pirates! lol

[#55PirateFan]

I'm ok I reckon. How are you doing? Go Mountaineers. I mean Pirates! lol

Lol! Doing good brother. Between working way to much and taking my son to camps and visits I've been pretty much staying on the road all the time. Not much time for anything else.

[Patriot1]

Lol! Doing good brother. Between working way to much and taking my son to camps and visits I've been pretty much staying on the road all the time. Not much time for anything else.

He has been busy and I am sure it’s going to get worse the rest of the summer and he deserved every minute of it. Good luck to him and hope the best for him in which ever direction he heads. Seems like a great kid and definitely one heck of a football player

[pjdoug]

Lol! Doing good brother. Between working way to much and taking my son to camps and visits I've been pretty much staying on the road all the time. Not much time for anything else.

Glad you're doing well. I like road trips. I might get on your luggage rack.