[Iam4thecats]

After having seen it MULTIPLE times today I have to say out of state games do count.
Win your games.
35% is your winning percentage.
Play teams that have a winning record.
35% is your opponents win percentage.
Schedule teams that don't play patsies.
30% is opponents-opponents. (this is where out of state teams rate .500) You'd be surprised how little difference this will make and may help some teams.

NO- margin of victory doesn't count.
YES- Losing the game counts against you in category 1 but not 2 and 3.
No- they aren't rankings or predictors, they are standings.
YES- they could and should be adjusted to become better in future years. Colorado, who we copied from already has tweaked the system to account for size of schools and we are ignoring that for some reason.

[Spud6]

Thank you for posting this. Very informative and helps out everyone wondering.

[Cobraxx]

Thank you! Great post that should hopefully clear things up.

[RoShamBo]

I'll add, the likelihood that anyone's opponent's opponent's winning percentage veers more than .1 from the .500 that is automatic for out of state opponents is unlikely. No one plays a schedule in which they go 10-0 and everyone they play goes 9-1 with their only loss being to you. Out of state opponents could be disproportionately valued both positively and negatively, but the amount that it will matter is negligible. If you have an out of state opponent and are forced into a road game by a thousandth of a point, then you may have a gripe. In week 5 of the season, your complaints are probably premature.

[Hoot Gibson]

I'll add, the likelihood that anyone's opponent's opponent's winning percentage veers more than .1 from the .500 that is automatic for out of state opponents is unlikely. No one plays a schedule in which they go 10-0 and everyone they play goes 9-1 with their only loss being to you. Out of state opponents could be disproportionately valued both positively and negatively, but the amount that it will matter is negligible. If you have an out of state opponent and are forced into a road game by a thousandth of a point, then you may have a gripe. In week 5 of the season, your complaints are probably premature.

If Johnson Central drops its large out of state opponents and adds 1A Paintsville, 1A Raceland, and 1A Beechwood to its schedule next season, its RPI would soar. It's not a gripe, it is a fact. The RPI system devised by KHSAA is a joke.

Assuming Trinity could persuade more Kentucky teams to schedule them, the Rocks could stay in state and rarely play a playoff road game. A playoff system should never reward teams for playing a weaker schedule to pad a bad RPI system.

[Iam4thecats]

If Johnson Central drops its large out of state opponents and adds 1A Paintsville, 1A Raceland, and 1A Beechwood to its schedule next season, its RPI would soar. It's not a gripe, it is a fact. The RPI system devised by KHSAA is a joke.

Assuming Trinity could persuade more Kentucky teams to schedule them, the Rocks could stay in state and rarely play a playoff road game. A playoff system should never reward teams for playing a weaker schedule to pad a bad RPI system.

THe RPI was not devised by the KHSAA. It was ADOPTED. The RPI was used by the NCAA from 1981-2017.

[Hoot Gibson]

THe RPI was not devised by the KHSAA. It was ADOPTED. The RPI was used by the NCAA from 1981-2017.

This RPI system was never used by the NCAA. You are a virtual fount of misinformation. The RPI used by the NCAA did not lump NCAA Division I FBS, I FCS, II, and III teams together, did it?

If you take a system that somebody else designed, tinker with it, and then call it your own, you have devised a system. If you prefer to pretend that the RPI system simply materialized through no fault of the KHSAA, then that is fine with me. nicker:

For me, I prefer to lay blame where it belongs - with every individual who had anything to do with implementation of this poor excuse for an RPI. To my knowledge, the NCAA was not involved in that process at all.

[Iam4thecats]

This RPI system was never used by the NCAA. You are a virtual fount of misinformation. The RPI used by the NCAA did not lump NCAA Division I FBS, I FCS, II, and III teams together, did it?

If you take a system that somebody else designed, tinker with it, and then call it your own, you have devised a system. If you prefer to pretend that the RPI system simply materialized through no fault of the KHSAA, then that is fine with me. nicker:

For me, I prefer to lay blame where it belongs - with every individual who had anything to do with implementation of this poor excuse for an RPI. To my knowledge, the NCAA was not involved in that process at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_percentage_index
https://khsaa.org/012819-calculating-the-rpi/

Yeah, sure, I just made the whole thing up.

[Iam4thecats]

This RPI system was never used by the NCAA. You are a virtual fount of misinformation. The RPI used by the NCAA did not lump NCAA Division I FBS, I FCS, II, and III teams together, did it?

If you take a system that somebody else designed, tinker with it, and then call it your own, you have devised a system. If you prefer to pretend that the RPI system simply materialized through no fault of the KHSAA, then that is fine with me. nicker:

For me, I prefer to lay blame where it belongs - with every individual who had anything to do with implementation of this poor excuse for an RPI. To my knowledge, the NCAA was not involved in that process at all.

If you were good at logical reasoning you would see that I didn't blame the NCAA. Julian Tacket ADOPTED the formula and he is to blame. I corrected your fount of misinformation. nicker:

[RoShamBo]

If Johnson Central drops its large out of state opponents and adds 1A Paintsville, 1A Raceland, and 1A Beechwood to its schedule next season, its RPI would soar. It's not a gripe, it is a fact. The RPI system devised by KHSAA is a joke.

Assuming Trinity could persuade more Kentucky teams to schedule them, the Rocks could stay in state and rarely play a playoff road game. A playoff system should never reward teams for playing a weaker schedule to pad a bad RPI system.

The problem with that logic is you're basically assuming that the only reason the small schools exist would be to serve the large schools' RPI. Wouldn't the 1A schools also be looking to improve their own RPI? Getting destroyed by a larger school wouldn't serve them well in that regard. Again, I'm not saying the RPI doesn't have issues, but it seems like most people's problem with it at this point is that their team isn't as high as they'd like to see them. Johnson Central is lower because their opponent's winning percentage is low. It's not their fault but that's what it is. We have less than half of the data, let it play out.

[Hoot Gibson]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_percentage_index
https://khsaa.org/012819-calculating-the-rpi/

Yeah, sure, I just made the whole thing up.

You certainly did. The NCAA had the good sense not to apply a single system to all of its member teams, regardless of school classification. Just curious, did you play a role in the KHSAA's ADOPTION of this idiotic system? Why else would anybody defend it so enthusiastically with his CAPS lock key?

[Hoot Gibson]

The problem with that logic is you're basically assuming that the only reason the small schools exist would be to serve the large schools' RPI. Wouldn't the 1A schools also be looking to improve their own RPI? Getting destroyed by a larger school wouldn't serve them well in that regard. Again, I'm not saying the RPI doesn't have issues, but it seems like most people's problem with it at this point is that their team isn't as high as they'd like to see them. Johnson Central is lower because their opponent's winning percentage is low. It's not their fault but that's what it is. We have less than half of the data, let it play out.

I am not advocating that any team tailor their schedules to maximize their RPI - but some will try. Any 1A team would be stupid to schedule Johnson Central, so I don't think that is an option for the Golden Eagles. I just used the example to illustrate how bad the RPI system truly is. Good programs will continue to schedule teams that will allow for the best development of their own teams.

The top rated teams in terms of RPI will not likely be the best teams in their respective classes and if the system cannot reliably identify the best between two teams, then it will fail to achieve its primary goal.

I doubt that the RPI system devised by the KHSAA will be much more accurate at ranking teams in the latter rounds of the playoffs than a series of coin tosses would be.

[Iam4thecats]

You certainly did. The NCAA had the good sense not to apply a single system to all of its member teams, regardless of school classification. Just curious, did you play a role in the KHSAA's ADOPTION of this idiotic system? Why else would anybody defend it so enthusiastically with his CAPS lock key?

I don't work for the KHSAA. I'm also not a jerk who puts words in other peoples mouth and then blames them for those words. I also never said the NCAA lumped every division together. You came up with that all on your own. NCAA divisions offer different amounts of scholarships and are not perfectly analogous to high school classes. I have offered that Colorado differentiates school sizes in their RPI and Julian was too lazy to adopt it. Ohios Harbin points also differentiates school size and is a better system.
If you want you can look at all my posts. I blame Julian. I have also posted in several places the systems I like better or improvements that should be made. I'm not famous or anything so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you haven't read those posts.

[Hoot Gibson]

I don't work for the KHSAA. I'm also not a jerk who puts words in other peoples mouth and then blames them for those words. I also never said the NCAA lumped every division together. You came up with that all on your own. NCAA divisions offer different amounts of scholarships and are not perfectly analogous to high school classes. I have offered that Colorado differentiates school sizes in their RPI and Julian was too lazy to adopt it. Ohios Harbin points also differentiates school size and is a better system.
If you want you can look at all my posts. I blame Julian. I have also posted in several places the systems I like better or improvements that should be made. I'm not famous or anything so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you haven't read those posts.

No, you are the jerk who corrects people for mistakes that they don't make with ALL CAPS. The RPI system that the KHSAA is implementing is not the same one that the NCAA has used for the reasons that I have already outlined. My use of the word "devised" was entirely appropriate. While the Harbin system that Ohio uses would be an improvement, some Ohio schools' scheduling of "Harbin cows" from Kentucky illustrates the fundamental flaw of RPI-type systems. Some schools attempt to game the system by scheduling schools that play weak schedules but are likely to compile good records. It happens in Ohio and it will happen in Kentucky.

[Iam4thecats]

No, you are the jerk who corrects people for mistakes that they don't make with ALL CAPS. The RPI system that the KHSAA is implementing is not the same one that the NCAA has used for the reasons that I have already outlined. My use of the word "devised" was entirely appropriate. While the Harbin system that Ohio uses would be an improvement, some Ohio schools' scheduling of "Harbin cows" from Kentucky illustrates the fundamental flaw of RPI-type systems. Some schools attempt to game the system by scheduling schools that play weak schedules but are likely to compile good records. It happens in Ohio and it will happen in Kentucky.

Hey, go outside and shake your fist at the sky. That will help.

[Hoot Gibson]

Hey, go outside and shake your fist at the sky. That will help.

Should I do that WITH MY CAPS KEY LOCKED? :thatsfunn