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Trump's Tariffs : Canada and Mexico Announce Plans for Retaliatory Strikes
It's no surprise that those who were stupid enough to believe Joe Biden was a great president are scared of the future that a real president will bring to this country. Desperate times call for decisive action and a president courageous enough to take prudent risks.

I'm very optimistic about the future of this country. Americans will not soon trust crooked Democrats, who talk a big game but grab a seat at the end of the bench when leadership and action are needed, Sane people prefer  strong leaders, and Democrats have none.
Democrat party is a train wreck and the vast majority of decent people hate their policies. All they have is lawfare and spreading divisive hate through lies, scams and identity politics. People are wising up to that. Once we have fair elections they are toast.
(04-11-2025, 02:17 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-10-2025, 09:57 AM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 05:03 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 01:08 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-08-2025, 06:19 PM)TD Hounds Wrote: If Trump doesn’t keep them in place much longer it will be because countries have negotiated terms to have them nullified or reduced…. Dear Lord do you understand we are 36 trillion in debt and our national debt to GDP ration is well over 100% meaning that unless Trump fixes our trade deficit and brings back manufacturing there’s no way we can EVER repay the money we owe… Your heart maybe in the right place I absolutely don’t think your a bad person but I absolutely wonder what reality your living in 36 trillion which is almost 130% of our GDP and we should have trade deficits….. There’s no country in the world that is living with as much debt as we are and guess who owns the majority of our debt, the very countries you want a trade deficit with….

I believe you are mistaken that the trade deficit has a correlation to the national debt.  The national debt is to be blamed on politicians from both parties who cannot balance a budget.  They need to cut spending and increase revenue, which they simply can't seem to do because of all the special interest groups, lobbyist, etc. that they are beholden to. 

Our last 2 Presidents are the biggest culprits of the deficit and I'm not expecting it to get any better over the next 4 years. Angry
Undecided Did you even try and research or google it to make sure you weren’t wrong? Of course not….The correlation comes through the GDP, I’m not going over it again because obviously you didn’t get it the first time your not gonna get it the second time because it’s what you believe, thats the problem…..And it doesn’t really matter, in your fantasy land we’re so rich we should do nothing but pump hugs, kisses, and fist bumps everywhere no matter the costs…..And your wrong Obama was more responsible for the national debt soaring than either Trump or Biden….

You're right in that I didn't research it at all.  I realize that it is a part of the equation, I just don't think it's a big part.  It's my opinion that Politicians are the problem.  Rand Paul may be the only one in Washington who understands fiscal responsibility well enough to be able to tackle the deficit, but he would have my vote because it may be the greatest danger facing the US going forward.  

I may have to look into Obama and the deficit when I have time, but it seems like everything that I have seen over the past 2-3 years has Biden & Trump adding more to the deficit than anyone prior.  Again, I'm going on memory, and the older I get the worse it seems to betray me, although I'm not nearly as old as our last 2 Potus have been.
Then you’d be wrong again, if you notice The Real Thing understood exactly what I was talking about with GDP and our national debt….. Yes politicians are the problem but not for the reasons your thinking, they’ve created this problem with their march towards globalization and sending as much of our industrial power as possible to other countries…. Of course they have no fiscal restraint but the country isn’t taking in the tax revenue it should be with all the industrialization lost…. It’s the biggest reason they hate Trump he calls them out for passing NAFTA and he’s not going along with the plans for globalization at all…..

Nafta was replaced by the USMCA trade agreement, which is suppose to be in place now.
(04-14-2025, 12:33 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-11-2025, 02:17 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-10-2025, 09:57 AM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 05:03 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 01:08 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote: I believe you are mistaken that the trade deficit has a correlation to the national debt.  The national debt is to be blamed on politicians from both parties who cannot balance a budget.  They need to cut spending and increase revenue, which they simply can't seem to do because of all the special interest groups, lobbyist, etc. that they are beholden to. 

Our last 2 Presidents are the biggest culprits of the deficit and I'm not expecting it to get any better over the next 4 years. Angry
Undecided Did you even try and research or google it to make sure you weren’t wrong? Of course not….The correlation comes through the GDP, I’m not going over it again because obviously you didn’t get it the first time your not gonna get it the second time because it’s what you believe, thats the problem…..And it doesn’t really matter, in your fantasy land we’re so rich we should do nothing but pump hugs, kisses, and fist bumps everywhere no matter the costs…..And your wrong Obama was more responsible for the national debt soaring than either Trump or Biden….

You're right in that I didn't research it at all.  I realize that it is a part of the equation, I just don't think it's a big part.  It's my opinion that Politicians are the problem.  Rand Paul may be the only one in Washington who understands fiscal responsibility well enough to be able to tackle the deficit, but he would have my vote because it may be the greatest danger facing the US going forward.  

I may have to look into Obama and the deficit when I have time, but it seems like everything that I have seen over the past 2-3 years has Biden & Trump adding more to the deficit than anyone prior.  Again, I'm going on memory, and the older I get the worse it seems to betray me, although I'm not nearly as old as our last 2 Potus have been.
Then you’d be wrong again, if you notice The Real Thing understood exactly what I was talking about with GDP and our national debt….. Yes politicians are the problem but not for the reasons your thinking, they’ve created this problem with their march towards globalization and sending as much of our industrial power as possible to other countries…. Of course they have no fiscal restraint but the country isn’t taking in the tax revenue it should be with all the industrialization lost…. It’s the biggest reason they hate Trump he calls them out for passing NAFTA and he’s not going along with the plans for globalization at all…..

Nafta was replaced by the USMCA trade agreement, which is suppose to be in place now.
It doesn’t matter different name for same results, that’s the problem, it’s supposed to be a free trade agreement which means there where no tariffs on each others products, the United States followed the agreement, guess who didn’t?  The same two whining now about reciprocal tariffs
(04-14-2025, 09:20 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-14-2025, 12:33 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-11-2025, 02:17 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-10-2025, 09:57 AM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 05:03 PM)TD Hounds Wrote: Undecided Did you even try and research or google it to make sure you weren’t wrong? Of course not….The correlation comes through the GDP, I’m not going over it again because obviously you didn’t get it the first time your not gonna get it the second time because it’s what you believe, thats the problem…..And it doesn’t really matter, in your fantasy land we’re so rich we should do nothing but pump hugs, kisses, and fist bumps everywhere no matter the costs…..And your wrong Obama was more responsible for the national debt soaring than either Trump or Biden….

You're right in that I didn't research it at all.  I realize that it is a part of the equation, I just don't think it's a big part.  It's my opinion that Politicians are the problem.  Rand Paul may be the only one in Washington who understands fiscal responsibility well enough to be able to tackle the deficit, but he would have my vote because it may be the greatest danger facing the US going forward.  

I may have to look into Obama and the deficit when I have time, but it seems like everything that I have seen over the past 2-3 years has Biden & Trump adding more to the deficit than anyone prior.  Again, I'm going on memory, and the older I get the worse it seems to betray me, although I'm not nearly as old as our last 2 Potus have been.
Then you’d be wrong again, if you notice The Real Thing understood exactly what I was talking about with GDP and our national debt….. Yes politicians are the problem but not for the reasons your thinking, they’ve created this problem with their march towards globalization and sending as much of our industrial power as possible to other countries…. Of course they have no fiscal restraint but the country isn’t taking in the tax revenue it should be with all the industrialization lost…. It’s the biggest reason they hate Trump he calls them out for passing NAFTA and he’s not going along with the plans for globalization at all…..

Nafta was replaced by the USMCA trade agreement, which is suppose to be in place now.
It doesn’t matter different name for same results, that’s the problem, it’s supposed to be a free trade agreement which means there where no tariffs on each others products, the United States followed the agreement, guess who didn’t?  The same two whining now about reciprocal tariffs

I haven't seen anything that states that Mexico or Canada broke the agreement.  Trump actually broke it this year though, then changed his mind when reminded that he had brokered the deal originally, then rescinded the tariffs on the items that were covered in the agreement.
(04-15-2025, 10:35 AM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-14-2025, 09:20 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-14-2025, 12:33 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-11-2025, 02:17 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-10-2025, 09:57 AM)SEKYFAN Wrote: You're right in that I didn't research it at all.  I realize that it is a part of the equation, I just don't think it's a big part.  It's my opinion that Politicians are the problem.  Rand Paul may be the only one in Washington who understands fiscal responsibility well enough to be able to tackle the deficit, but he would have my vote because it may be the greatest danger facing the US going forward.  

I may have to look into Obama and the deficit when I have time, but it seems like everything that I have seen over the past 2-3 years has Biden & Trump adding more to the deficit than anyone prior.  Again, I'm going on memory, and the older I get the worse it seems to betray me, although I'm not nearly as old as our last 2 Potus have been.
Then you’d be wrong again, if you notice The Real Thing understood exactly what I was talking about with GDP and our national debt….. Yes politicians are the problem but not for the reasons your thinking, they’ve created this problem with their march towards globalization and sending as much of our industrial power as possible to other countries…. Of course they have no fiscal restraint but the country isn’t taking in the tax revenue it should be with all the industrialization lost…. It’s the biggest reason they hate Trump he calls them out for passing NAFTA and he’s not going along with the plans for globalization at all…..

Nafta was replaced by the USMCA trade agreement, which is suppose to be in place now.
It doesn’t matter different name for same results, that’s the problem, it’s supposed to be a free trade agreement which means there where no tariffs on each others products, the United States followed the agreement, guess who didn’t?  The same two whining now about reciprocal tariffs

I haven't seen anything that states that Mexico or Canada broke the agreement.  Trump actually broke it this year though, then changed his mind when reminded that he had brokered the deal originally, then rescinded the tariffs on the items that were covered in the agreement.
Of course you haven't. If MSN doesn't report it, it never happened in your world. The U.S. government has failed to enforce the terms of international agreements for decades. It's almost as if U.S. politicians have been paid to look the other way.
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(04-15-2025, 10:35 AM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-14-2025, 09:20 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-14-2025, 12:33 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-11-2025, 02:17 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-10-2025, 09:57 AM)SEKYFAN Wrote: You're right in that I didn't research it at all.  I realize that it is a part of the equation, I just don't think it's a big part.  It's my opinion that Politicians are the problem.  Rand Paul may be the only one in Washington who understands fiscal responsibility well enough to be able to tackle the deficit, but he would have my vote because it may be the greatest danger facing the US going forward.  

I may have to look into Obama and the deficit when I have time, but it seems like everything that I have seen over the past 2-3 years has Biden & Trump adding more to the deficit than anyone prior.  Again, I'm going on memory, and the older I get the worse it seems to betray me, although I'm not nearly as old as our last 2 Potus have been.
Then you’d be wrong again, if you notice The Real Thing understood exactly what I was talking about with GDP and our national debt….. Yes politicians are the problem but not for the reasons your thinking, they’ve created this problem with their march towards globalization and sending as much of our industrial power as possible to other countries…. Of course they have no fiscal restraint but the country isn’t taking in the tax revenue it should be with all the industrialization lost…. It’s the biggest reason they hate Trump he calls them out for passing NAFTA and he’s not going along with the plans for globalization at all…..

Nafta was replaced by the USMCA trade agreement, which is suppose to be in place now.
It doesn’t matter different name for same results, that’s the problem, it’s supposed to be a free trade agreement which means there where no tariffs on each others products, the United States followed the agreement, guess who didn’t?  The same two whining now about reciprocal tariffs

I haven't seen anything that states that Mexico or Canada broke the agreement.  Trump actually broke it this year though, then changed his mind when reminded that he had brokered the deal originally, then rescinded the tariffs on the items that were covered in the agreement.
And the GDP isn’t tied to our national debt or economy in any way either, if there ever comes a day when 75% of this country stops depending on the government to solve all their problems and actually starts to understand the way our government has ran for the past few decades boy are they gonna be pissed especially the Dems….. But you can’t convince them that rain is water right now…..
(04-09-2025, 05:03 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 01:08 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-08-2025, 06:19 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-08-2025, 04:14 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote: Trump is not stupid, he will not keep these tariffs in place much longer in my opinion.  He sees what the uncertainty is doing to the economy and will claim that most of the Countries gave in to his demands and declare victory.  That's just his M.O.  Hopefully not much permanent damage will be felt by the economy going forward.

It seems to me that the US should have trade deficits with most countries anyway.  We had a growing economy coming into this year and the US has much more wealth than most, so it just seems to me that naturally the US would be spending more since they have much more to spend.  Maybe that's too simplistic, but like the Lynyrd Skynrd song, I'm just a  simple man.
If Trump doesn’t keep them in place much longer it will be because countries have negotiated terms to have them nullified or reduced…. Dear Lord do you understand we are 36 trillion in debt and our national debt to GDP ration is well over 100% meaning that unless Trump fixes our trade deficit and brings back manufacturing there’s no way we can EVER repay the money we owe… Your heart maybe in the right place I absolutely don’t think your a bad person but I absolutely wonder what reality your living in 36 trillion which is almost 130% of our GDP and we should have trade deficits….. There’s no country in the world that is living with as much debt as we are and guess who owns the majority of our debt, the very countries you want a trade deficit with….

And your wrong Obama was more responsible for the national debt soaring than either Trump or Biden….Undecided Did you even try and research or google it to make

Looks like you're wrong on Obama adding more to the national debt.  I can only imagine how much more Trump or Biden can add in 8 years.  I'm not sure if Trump's physical or mental health will make it 4 more years or not , but I'm afraid sure he will be the all time loser as far as the national debt race goes by a large margin if he does.

1. Biden $8.4 trillion in 4 years
2. Trump - $7.81 trillion in 4 years
3. Obama - $7.66 trillion in 8 years
(04-15-2025, 03:16 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 05:03 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-09-2025, 01:08 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(04-08-2025, 06:19 PM)TD Hounds Wrote:
(04-08-2025, 04:14 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote: Trump is not stupid, he will not keep these tariffs in place much longer in my opinion.  He sees what the uncertainty is doing to the economy and will claim that most of the Countries gave in to his demands and declare victory.  That's just his M.O.  Hopefully not much permanent damage will be felt by the economy going forward.

It seems to me that the US should have trade deficits with most countries anyway.  We had a growing economy coming into this year and the US has much more wealth than most, so it just seems to me that naturally the US would be spending more since they have much more to spend.  Maybe that's too simplistic, but like the Lynyrd Skynrd song, I'm just a  simple man.
If Trump doesn’t keep them in place much longer it will be because countries have negotiated terms to have them nullified or reduced…. Dear Lord do you understand we are 36 trillion in debt and our national debt to GDP ration is well over 100% meaning that unless Trump fixes our trade deficit and brings back manufacturing there’s no way we can EVER repay the money we owe… Your heart maybe in the right place I absolutely don’t think your a bad person but I absolutely wonder what reality your living in 36 trillion which is almost 130% of our GDP and we should have trade deficits….. There’s no country in the world that is living with as much debt as we are and guess who owns the majority of our debt, the very countries you want a trade deficit with….

And your wrong Obama was more responsible for the national debt soaring than either Trump or Biden….Undecided Did you even try and research or google it to make

Looks like you're wrong on Obama adding more to the national debt.  I can only imagine how much more Trump or Biden can add in 8 years.  I'm not sure if Trump's physical or mental health will make it 4 more years or not , but I'm afraid sure he will be the all time loser as far as the national debt race goes by a large margin if he does.

1. Biden $8.4 trillion in 4 years
2. Trump - $7.81 trillion in 4 years
3. Obama - $7.66 trillion in 8 years
Wrong. Adjusting for inflation, Obama added more to the national debt than either Biden or Trump. Trump and Biden's budget deficits also included ever increasing interest payments on Obama's huge deficits.

That is why every American who cares about their children, grandchildren, and future generations should be 100 percent behind Trump's efforts to slash federal spending by eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse, and by reducing the federal payroll.

If Trump fails, I doubt that any future politician will be willing to tackle the national debt. In the absence of spectacular action, our government and our economy will eventually crash and burn.
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https://www.taxnotes.com/research/federa...-says/vl8j

I don’t expect SEKY to read this but it’s a good read and could actually explain to him how that the national debt is measured relative to GDP….. To add to what Hoot was saying we where in a recession early in Obama’s term, usually that means the President who is the CEO of our tax dollars attempts to cut spending Obama didn’t he piled on and used subsidies much as Biden did to prop up the economy and stock market….. All a well crafted plan to bankrupt the country and force us into globalization and socialism….. It’s easy to read MSN and label Trump it’s more difficult to read and try and understand what’s actually going on, but the numbers you posted when comparing Trump GDP to Obama’s it’s not even close, especially when you factor in close to half of Trumps adding to the debt was Covid relief, something Obama never had to deal with….
In a new Meredith poll , Trump's favorability rating is underwater by 15% in a state he carried three times(North Carolina). Might end up costing Thom Tillis his job. People are rapidly falling out of love with the tangerine-tinted fatso.
(04-16-2025, 03:40 AM)Old School Hound Wrote: In a new Meredith poll , Trump's favorability rating is underwater by 15% in a state he carried three times(North Carolina). Might end up costing Thom Tillis his job. People are rapidly falling out of love with the tangerine-tinted fatso.
Never heard of it. Trump was way behind in an Iowa poll just before the election. How did that race turn out?  Big Grin

Democrats (and Communists) must be having a tough time cherry picking poll results, given Democrats' 29 percent favorably rating.

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