[FBALL]

Its amazing how a guy that knows absolutely nothing about baskeball is one of the most respected coaches in the country. That is everywhere except at his own school.

[thecavemaster]

Its amazing how a guy that knows absolutely nothing about baskeball is one of the most respected coaches in the country. That is everywhere except at his own school.

If Fan A suggests that Tubby knows nothing about
basketball, of course, this is ridiculous.
If Fan B suggests that the overall direction of
the UK program circa March 2007 is trending steadily
downward, and Fan B presents the "firsts" list that
OTS is accumulating as evidence, then Fan B is
certainly presenting a case that cannot be summarily
dismissed with some sort of superior "voice of reason"
air, FBALL.

[BFritz]

If Fan A suggests that Tubby knows nothing about
basketball, of course, this is ridiculous.
If Fan B suggests that the overall direction of
the UK program circa March 2007 is trending steadily
downward, and Fan B presents the "firsts" list that
OTS is accumulating as evidence, then Fan B is
certainly presenting a case that cannot be summarily
dismissed with some sort of superior "voice of reason"
air, FBALL.

When I said that he knows nothing about basketball, it was obvious that I was referring to his lack of coaching ability or knowledge of what to do in certain situations. If you need proof, watch almost, if not all of his games. He sits there and lets them play instead of instructing them to do things, screaming, yelling, talking, like every other coach in the nation. He doesn't know strategies on how to play to your team's strengths and other teams' weaknesses (i.e. playing uptempo in many, many situations). He's a horrible recruiter, two top recruites out of the top 150 are considering coming to UK, and it's #127 and higher.

Its amazing how a guy that knows absolutely nothing about baskeball is one of the most respected coaches in the country. That is everywhere except at his own school.

Show me documentation or video of where a majority of the people in the country have said that they respect Tubby as a top coach.

[FBALL]

He has no idea how to coach in situations or to have his players play to their strengths and against the other team's weaknesses

If Fan A suggests that Tubby knows nothing about
basketball, of course, this is ridiculous.
If Fan B suggests that the overall direction of
the UK program circa March 2007 is trending steadily
downward, and Fan B presents the "firsts" list that
OTS is accumulating as evidence, then Fan B is
certainly presenting a case that cannot be summarily
dismissed with some sort of superior "voice of reason"
air, FBALL.

There you go, the cavemaster.

No trend or case is being made.

[FBALL]

When I said that he knows nothing about basketball, it was obvious that I was referring to his lack of coaching ability or knowledge of what to do in certain situations. If you need proof, watch almost, if not all of his games. He sits there and lets them play instead of instructing them to do things, screaming, yelling, talking, like every other coach in the nation. He doesn't know strategies on how to play to your team's strengths and other teams' weaknesses (i.e. playing uptempo in many, many situations). He's a horrible recruiter, two top recruites out of the top 150 are considering coming to UK, and it's #127 and higher.


Show me documentation or video of where a majority of the people in the country have said that they respect Tubby as a top coach.

Take a coaches poll or ask anyone outside of the state of Kentucky and the opinion of Tubby Smith will overwhelmingly be a good one.

[thecavemaster]

There you go, the cavemaster.

No trend or case is being made.

What, FBALL? Have you not seen the LONG
lists of "firsts"? Losing to Florida
six times in a row? To Vandy four
times in a row? Playing on the first
day of the SEC tourney?...only to name
a few? I didn't think I had to restate
common knowledge: Tubby is accumulating
a "firsts" list at UK that are not the
kind of honor badges any CEO wants in
the dossier...

[FBALL]

What, FBALL? Have you not seen the LONG
lists of "firsts"? Losing to Florida
six times in a row? To Vandy four
times in a row? Playing on the first
day of the SEC tourney?...only to name
a few? I didn't think I had to restate
common knowledge: Tubby is accumulating
a "firsts" list at UK that are not the
kind of honor badges any CEO wants in
the dossier...

Please note the quote that I include with the post. It was implying that Tubby Smith knows nothing about basketball or how to coach the game. That is ridiculous.

As for the firsts lists, I don't like them anymore than you do. But times are changing. No longer will a select few programs dominate every year.

[FBALL]

Show me documentation or video of where a majority of the people in the country have said that they respect Tubby as a top coach.

Bill Self

"That goes to show everyone, when you go 22-11 or 23-11 (actually 22-11), that people are saying what's wrong and the sky is falling," he said. "That's a tribute to the program and Tubby (Smith) and his staff.
"I don't know if one game makes a season for either team, but I know for us, personally, it would be very big. And for them, I'm sure, it would be a big step for them considering they didn't have the type of year maybe that a lot of people have grown accustomed to from a won-loss record."
When asked how Kansas fans reacted when the Jayhawks lost first-round games in the past two NCAA Tournaments, Self smiled and said, "What's wrong with them? The sky is falling."

Thats just some recent remarks.

[Batpuff]

I dont agree with everything Tubby does. But he is a good coach. Yea it seems that the UK program is heading down hill fast. But take a min and think. He can teach and teach and if they dont put to use what they have been given then its no ones fault but the players. Yea he needs to recruit better players. But the time has gone of just a select few programs taking over. Look at all the mid major programs that have played beyond what anyone would have ever dreamed. Its because they get good athletes and build them to the programs needs. I see alot of this in Tubby, but the players he is getting are thinking they are better then the program itself.

[BFritz]

Bill Self

"That goes to show everyone, when you go 22-11 or 23-11 (actually 22-11), that people are saying what's wrong and the sky is falling," he said. "That's a tribute to the program and Tubby (Smith) and his staff.
"I don't know if one game makes a season for either team, but I know for us, personally, it would be very big. And for them, I'm sure, it would be a big step for them considering they didn't have the type of year maybe that a lot of people have grown accustomed to from a won-loss record."
When asked how Kansas fans reacted when the Jayhawks lost first-round games in the past two NCAA Tournaments, Self smiled and said, "What's wrong with them? The sky is falling."

Thats just some recent remarks.

Hold on, let me get this straight, it's a tribute to Tubby that he's coaching a program to that record when they should be a lot better?? Tubby took over a program that had made fans expecting a great team, and killed it, but he deserves credit for being there in the first place? How so? The man destroyed a powerhouse by not recruiting and by having horrible coaching strategies. That's the bottom line.

I dont agree with everything Tubby does. But he is a good coach. Yea it seems that the UK program is heading down hill fast. But take a min and think. He can teach and teach and if they dont put to use what they have been given then its no ones fault but the players. Yea he needs to recruit better players. But the time has gone of just a select few programs taking over. Look at all the mid major programs that have played beyond what anyone would have ever dreamed. Its because they get good athletes and build them to the programs needs. I see alot of this in Tubby, but the players he is getting are thinking they are better then the program itself.

There's been more teams that can compete, but the same few out of a group are still good every year. Look at Florida, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Syracuse, Maryland, UCLA, Conneticut- most of those are good every year, and that's only a few of the top programs.

As for being a good coach, are you kidding me? Look, for instance, at the points I made about him trying to play a slow paced game and not having good plays to have his players run, explain that. Explain how him sitting on the sideline and never yelling to instruct his players or anything makes him a good coach.

[FBALL]

Hold on, let me get this straight, it's a tribute to Tubby that he's coaching a program to that record when they should be a lot better?? Tubby took over a program that had made fans expecting a great team, and killed it, but he deserves credit for being there in the first place? How so? The man destroyed a powerhouse by not recruiting and by having horrible coaching strategies. That's the bottom line.




There's been more teams that can compete, but the same few out of a group are still good every year. Look at Florida, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Syracuse, Maryland, UCLA, Conneticut- most of those are good every year, and that's only a few of the top programs.

As for being a good coach, are you kidding me? Look, for instance, at the points I made about him trying to play a slow paced game and not having good plays to have his players run, explain that. Explain how him sitting on the sideline and never yelling to instruct his players or anything makes him a good coach.

I could find a hundred quotes from coaches and media complimenting Tubby Smith but none of them would make a difference. Nothing I could find would matter.

Sitting there and not instructing his players? Never Yelling? I say Smith is one of the more intense people in college basketball.

[BFritz]

I could find a hundred quotes from coaches and media complimenting Tubby Smith but none of them would make a difference. Nothing I could find would matter.

Sitting there and not instructing his players? Never Yelling? I say Smith is one of the more intense people in college basketball.

Did you watch either of the games in the tourney? Or any games all year?? End of games, and all of the game for that matter, Tubby's crouched on the sidelines or sitting on the bench in silence, letting things happen instead of coaching.

You didn't mention his horrible coaching strategies either or the rest of my post.

[FBALL]

Did you watch either of the games in the tourney? Or any games all year?? End of games, and all of the game for that matter, Tubby's crouched on the sidelines or sitting on the bench in silence, letting things happen instead of coaching.

You didn't mention his horrible coaching strategies either or the rest of my post.

Kansas two straight first round losses in the NCAA. Duke has been eliminated from the NCAA tournament earlier than UK in 3 of the past 5 years. Syracuse did not make the tournament this year. UNC had a losing season and did not even make the NIT 4 years ago. UCLA has been as sporadic as any and have been through more coaching changes than any of the big name schools you listed.

None of this matters anymore. Lets just hope the rebuilding process is not as painful as the demolition.

[Benchwarmer]

It's not Tubbies problem anymore, it's UK's.

[FBALL]

Show me documentation or video of where a majority of the people in the country have said that they respect Tubby as a top coach.

http://www.dailyindependent.com/localspo...00945.html

[More Cowbell]

I did like Tubby, but if the higher-ups told him to make changes in his coaching staff, then he should have done it. Loyalty is nice, but this is a business, and his staff was not getting it done on the recruiting trail. I believe his stubborn attitude toward replacing some of his assistants is the reason he is gone, and if so, I'm ok with him leaving.

[thetribe]

But now he is gone and though he may be a problem, he is no longer OUR problem.