[DEVILOLOGIST]

I heard a rumor of a new field today???? Anybody else heard anything??

[hammertime]

I heard a rumor of a new filed today???? Anybody else heard anything??

What exactly was filed?

[BlackcatAlum]

What exactly was filed?

I'm pretty sure he meant "field".

[Russelldad]

I heard a rumor of a new field today???? Anybody else heard anything??

What I have heard from a very reliable source is that Mr. Sparks the AD, has some quotes from Turf Companies on his desk in his office at school. But that was probably back last month when I heard that. Since then, I have heard nothing more.

I will check with my source and try to get an update

[OMG]

What I have heard from a very reliable source is that Mr. Sparks the AD, has some quotes from Turf Companies on his desk in his office at school. But that was probably back last month when I heard that. Since then, I have heard nothing more.

I will check with my source and try to get an update

that will be a great addition to a great program...seeing how there are about 7 schools in eastern kentucky who now have turf its only fitting that russell have it too, especially with the history and tradition they have there, its well deserved....

[TRAIN85]

If you guys get it then I don't think you will be disappointed. We got it here at Pikeville after I graduated but I love the feel of it under my feet. You can feel an increase in speed when you are running on it.

[FBALL]

I wouldn't hold my breath. There may be some quotes but it would still have to be approved by the school board and I don't think that is very likely. It would be nice but I think doubtful.

[BBB]

The field will get Bermuda this summer. Everything is approved.

[FBALL]

The field will get Bermuda this summer. Everything is approved.

Sod or Seed? If the root system takes that would be great. I still kind of prefer natural grass if it can be maintained. Thats good news.

[Russelldad]

-----BREAKING NEWS FROM RUSSELL FOOTBALL BOOSTER HEADQUARTERS!!!---

From the desk of Beth Riffe President;

HI EVERYONE!

As many of you know... I have been to several BOARD meetings to talk to the Board members about the possibility of us getting a NEW FOOTBALL FIELD!!!

GUESS WHAT??!

We are getting a NEW FOOTBALL FIELD!!! HIP HIP HOORAY!!

The FIELD will be ready for our first game!

Be sure and THANK our BOARD members when you see them for helping us make this possible!!!

ALOT of work will be going on in the next few months on the football field..... Should be exciting to watch!! Anyone who would like to HELP with the maintenance on the field PLEASE see JEFF SMITH!!

ALOT is happening right now at RUSSELL!!!!

Try to come to the BOOSTERS meetings!! BE INVOLVED!

THANKS!



Beth
Russell Football Boosters

[BBB]

To answer you question fball spriggs will be used. The plan was to sod but with the cost of fuel the trucking was to expensive. If someone could give about 9,000 more for trucking the sod then sod it would be. Spriggs is what most use and other then Russell's field a few years ago always work well.

[FBALL]

Thats great news. Thanks for the answer BBB. I know there has been alot of effort over the years to get the turf on the field into the best shape possible. I hope the bermuda takes root this time. I love bermuda fields when they are in good shape.

[OMG]

I wouldn't hold my breath. There may be some quotes but it would still have to be approved by the school board and I don't think that is very likely. It would be nice but I think doubtful.

bermuda? thats good stuff...

[bluegrassballa]

bermuda? thats good stuff...

Oh yes, very good. it is extremely soft and nice to play on. Congrats to Russell on this great new field. I wish I still got to play there!

[DEVILOLOGIST]

the answer finally hits.. thanks for the discussion.And GRASS it is..

[highschoolfootballfan]

they are completely taking off the grass and cutting off the hump in the middle of the field...and laying out new grass(bermuda)

[boilerup]

maybe when they get their new field they'll get a new head coach thats worth something at that school...like morris (the actual head coach)...its amazing how someone can still keep a job at a school providing no classroom education to his students for over twenty years and still be the coach too...anyone else notice that as soon as garry morris comes to town russell starts to go to state finals again and go much deeper into the playoffs...i don't think its much of a coincidence...

[DEVILOLOGIST]

Listen we all have our opinions and our own outlook, and of course we are all right in our own minds. Gary Morris is a great coach no problem with that. When Ivan reties or decides that he does not want to coach anymore.......Gary would do a great job...
BUT to get on here and say that Ivan has not done something at this school is absolutely a fogminded statement. 500 school wins, 300 for IVAN. So in the history of the school since what 1912 or 1920 something until Ivan got there in what 76-77, okay lets just say 50 years gave the school 200 wins, Ivan has been there 30 years and has 300..????? 100 more wins in almost half the time...

Now another point,, This team has made it to final 4s my junior senior and the year afete i graduated, NO we did not loose in the state game but if you look at the playoff history you would notice the time frame and results.Now
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That proves it all.

gary is a great coach and is a great guy

Ivan is the MAN until he leaves.........
Thanks for your opinion on the matter , this sight is free and anyone can post their thoughts...

[bluegrassballa]

maybe when they get their new field they'll get a new head coach thats worth something at that school...like morris (the actual head coach)...its amazing how someone can still keep a job at a school providing no classroom education to his students for over twenty years and still be the coach too...anyone else notice that as soon as garry morris comes to town russell starts to go to state finals again and go much deeper into the playoffs...i don't think its much of a coincidence...

Ivan McGlone is probably the best coach thats coached there. I mean, look at all hes done. Hes a great coach. A smart coach. And to say he aint worth nothing, thats just nonsense.

[boilerup]

Ivan McGlone is probably the best coach thats coached there. I mean, look at all hes done. Hes a great coach. A smart coach. And to say he aint worth nothing, thats just nonsense.

let me rephrase... I'm not saying he's worth nothing as a human, nor am I saying that he has never been worth anything as a coach. What I AM (trying) to say is that he isn't worth anything as a COACH anymore. Like say, for the last fifteen years. I played four years of football for the man. I think he's a great guy, don't get me wrong. But there's many more reasons that you are a coach than just what you can do on a football field. Some of the things that he did with players by manipulating them and such was wrong. He's infamous for not allowing kids to earn their spots in practice, but if you have the name you have the position. Not to mention (as I did previously, and didn't catch it if anyone commented) he is/was a terrible teacher in the classroom as well. I don't think anyone can deny that. I guess to sum it all up is to say that we owe our children something greater when we choose not only someone to be their coach and role model, but when we also choose someone responsible for educating them. Again, I can't speak for what he did in the 70's or 80's, but I can vouch for th 90's to the present and I would say he's a figurehead, and that most of what has been positive on the playing field has come from those he's surrounded himself with, including the many talented players, not so much himself. Heck, I bet I can tell you the first play he runs when the Red Devils play their first game this season....822...

[DEVILOLOGIST]

822 is correct and everybody knows it..... no body stops it even thou you know it is coming.... What he does teach is drilled into your head that you can perform your duty with your eyes closed and in your sleep. NO as far a s teacher...I never had him in school,,, but I am the teacher in my house and my childs education starts with ME....
maybe i read this wrong--"maybe when they get their new field they'll get a new head coach thats worth something at that school.""
The way I read it was that he was worthless as a coach.....
Now he is a figure head granted but if my wife was battling cancer and was not in the best of health where would my thoughts be????? I look at the love he has for his wife, the love he has for football and inthe big picture he is supported by his wife even thru all she goes thru........He is a lucky man to have her love and devotion and I wold say the same for her...
We all have our thoughts and we choose to air them at times.....BUT be prepared to hear everyone elses thoughts too.

[boilerup]

I am absolutely fine with hearing other people's thoughts. I'm not sure how you would have thought otherwise. I mean, its been ten years since I've told anyone besides my wife and mother the bad stories from Russell Football. I loved the sport and it was ruined for me because of McGlone and Walters. But I think it too is important that others hear my story. Why? Because what I personally experienced with him as a football coach and a teacher was anything but what people describe him to be and I know that I'm not alone. As I said before, I am not question him as a person. I know he is a fine man, and I deeply would regret it if anyone took my comments of him as a coach to imply anything about him as a man or husband to an amazing wife. I know these people personally. That's not my point. My point is to examine him as a FOOTBALL COACH. So I wouldn't back down at all to my comments. This includes the figurehead comment because it has nothing to do at all with his wife. My comment was that Morris does the real coaching, and he has been part of the staff for about ten years now. The reason I posted my comments in this discussion was because I figured that if people are passionate enough about Russell football to be excited about the grass on the field, then they should be passionate enough to know that there are other sides to the story. Also, I'm not sure how your comment about you being the teacher in your house is relevant. Does that mean you don't send your child(ren) to school? Or does that mean your ok with someone sitting in a chair posing as a teacher while your child sits there and wonders what s/he is supposed to be learning? I would imagine its one or the other.

I'm sorry if I come off as being a bit harsh or sounding like an old washed up player griping about the old days. But, I have seen first hand that things aren't always what they seem. The good memories I have of playing Russell Football are the ones of being with my friends and teammates. Thats the ones that I hold dear. I just want people to realize that what seems to be great on the surface isn't always wants going on behind the scenes. I emphasize, again, I experienced this first hand WITHIN the last ten years, so I'm not harkening back to the glory days of the 70's or whatever.

[boilerup]

I'm also not sure why my previous comment isn't showing on here...I don't want people to get the wrong impression that I'm making any implications of McGlone as a man or husband, which I think might be misperceived by the previous comment make about my statements.

[Midee1]

let me rephrase... I'm not saying he's worth nothing as a human, nor am I saying that he has never been worth anything as a coach. What I AM (trying) to say is that he isn't worth anything as a COACH anymore. Like say, for the last fifteen years. I played four years of football for the man. I think he's a great guy, don't get me wrong. But there's many more reasons that you are a coach than just what you can do on a football field. Some of the things that he did with players by manipulating them and such was wrong. He's infamous for not allowing kids to earn their spots in practice, but if you have the name you have the position. Not to mention (as I did previously, and didn't catch it if anyone commented) he is/was a terrible teacher in the classroom as well. I don't think anyone can deny that. I guess to sum it all up is to say that we owe our children something greater when we choose not only someone to be their coach and role model, but when we also choose someone responsible for educating them. Again, I can't speak for what he did in the 70's or 80's, but I can vouch for th 90's to the present and I would say he's a figurehead, and that most of what has been positive on the playing field has come from those he's surrounded himself with, including the many talented players, not so much himself. Heck, I bet I can tell you the first play he runs when the Red Devils play their first game this season....822...

The bold statement I will have to disagree with. I have no name to speak of in the Russell community but my son managed to earn his starting position on the 05 team.

[boilerup]

The bold statement I will have to disagree with. I have no name to speak of in the Russell community but my son managed to earn his starting position on the 05 team.

That may be the case for your son. I'm not saying this is the case for all players and all positions. I'm saying that it happens..and I'd guess much more often than it should. I'm not naive enough to think this doesn't happen in life in general. But one of the ideas of being a good coach, especially at the high school level (where most students aren't making it to play college football, much less the pros) is that you are teaching kids about life. One of those lessons we like to think sports imparts onto our kids is that with hard work you can do anything (a bit naive sometimes but thats what we tend to say) however, with McGlone, this is often not the case. I remember the two supposed "stars" on my team literally cursing and screaming at him during practices and right on the football field. I can remember one of these "stars" telling his backup that they should be the starter because they worked harder and out performed him. Even he couldn't talk McGlone out of starting him. In fact, the year before he was the starter, the QB who was the starter then asked the coaches not to make him his backup for the same reasons. Did it change? no. What kinds of messages do these tell the student athletes? I'm not sure exactly for each person, but for me it probably isn't good.

[boilerup]

The bold statement I will have to disagree with. I have no name to speak of in the Russell community but my son managed to earn his starting position on the 05 team.

I could also suppose if your son earned his spot in 05, then he earned it under Morris, not necessarily because of McGlone. My last few years of football was Morris' first couple as a football coach. He was my baseball coach, but was still getting his feet wet as a football coach under McGlone. So, again, I'm not sure if the same opportunities existed then as now.

[Sponge Bob]

Sorry, but Morris does not do the "real" coaching. He is in charge of the defense, and pretty much can do as he pleases there, but there are many discussions on what they are and Ivan still has the final say so. As far as offense goes, Mike Jones has a lot of influence, but Ivan always has and always will call it. You don't have to like what he calls, but this is what he does.

As far as being a "figurehead", that is absurd. He is lucky enough to have qualified coaches who can be counted on to take a group of players and instruct them without him having to be a position coach, but as soon as team period comes, Ivan is the one in the middle of it all, instructing and leading.

Another point, as long as I've been around the Russell program, I have NEVER seen Ivan cower or bend to parental or political pressures regarding who he plays. I know all of the coaches evaluate players to death to decide who plays. It has nothing to do with their name or parent reputation/complaining. Now, I probably was not close to the program when you played, so maybe something strange like that happened then, but I doubt it. No offense, but these types of accusations usually come from players who think they got shafted and another player played in front of them. That may not be your case, but it usually is.

As far as teaching in the classroom, I have no idea there. However, I know that the majority of head football coaches are PE teachers. No offense to PE teachers, but WOW, that must be hard. Now, many PE teachers dedicatedly work hard to have a good PE programs, but not many PE "coaches". Ivan taught social studies, a subject that is tested and has accountability. Maybe you think he didn't teach it as well as he could, but I doubt he was THAT bad.

[FBALL]

Alot of sour grapes in this thread. From personal experience I have to disagree with the complaints.

[boilerup]

Sorry, but Morris does not do the "real" coaching. He is in charge of the defense, and pretty much can do as he pleases there, but there are many discussions on what they are and Ivan still has the final say so. As far as offense goes, Mike Jones has a lot of influence, but Ivan always has and always will call it. You don't have to like what he calls, but this is what he does.

As far as being a "figurehead", that is absurd. He is lucky enough to have qualified coaches who can be counted on to take a group of players and instruct them without him having to be a position coach, but as soon as team period comes, Ivan is the one in the middle of it all, instructing and leading.

Another point, as long as I've been around the Russell program, I have NEVER seen Ivan cower or bend to parental or political pressures regarding who he plays. I know all of the coaches evaluate players to death to decide who plays. It has nothing to do with their name or parent reputation/complaining. Now, I probably was not close to the program when you played, so maybe something strange like that happened then, but I doubt it. No offense, but these types of accusations usually come from players who think they got shafted and another player played in front of them. That may not be your case, but it usually is.

As far as teaching in the classroom, I have no idea there. However, I know that the majority of head football coaches are PE teachers. No offense to PE teachers, but WOW, that must be hard. Now, many PE teachers dedicatedly work hard to have a good PE programs, but not many PE "coaches". Ivan taught social studies, a subject that is tested and has accountability. Maybe you think he didn't teach it as well as he could, but I doubt he was THAT bad.

Thats pretty interesting stuff. Because it doesn't seem that people are really getting to the heart of the matter. I keep hearing the same things that seem to me to be forgetting the big picture. And, of course I knew the sour grapes-type comment was coming. Thats what always happens in situations like this as well. Because one person finally says something about someone who many people idolize, its easier to dismiss this problem than to face it. The things that people overlook is allowing the most imporant. I never said he backed down to any PARENTS. My senior season (especially) he back down to the PLAYERS. It may sound absurd but (as I said above and no one mentioned again) the "stars" on the team were literally throwing "f-bombs" (if you will) to his face. What did he do? He took the people that were their backups and threatening to put them in if they didn't stop. That's whats absurd if you ask me. I saw my friends busting it everyday in practice to out perform these guys to no avail. What does that teach the players? Again, I stress that I experienced this stuff first hand. Its not a rumor. I was in the locker room. I got awards for my abilities. Its just as logical to say that if you support him you must have got to play, to say that because I complain I probably didn't. Thats not a valid argument either. Because what I'm describing happened, I'm not making it up. Regardless of the fact that my team went to the playoffs and won some games, it still happened. So the wins/losses don't matter in my book. It starts in the classroom and progresses to the field. Again, no one apparently comment on the fact that the sports part doesn't matter so much as the lessons you're teaching the students. Its just interesting to me that people will argue all day long about the grass on a field (which I might add has never seemed to work too well for us), but when someone questions the very foundation of why we even put a team out on that field, people get upset. Even greater is that many are saying they have no idea about his teaching in the classroom. Sorry to return to that but isn't that quite sad. We send our children to school to get an education and we don't know what goes on in the classroom. Ask any of those kids what they learned and if it didn't have anything to do with coloring then I'd be surprised. Read your children's myspace pages (if you aren't blocked from them) and you'll see that.

[FBALL]

Thats pretty interesting stuff. Because it doesn't seem that people are really getting to the heart of the matter. I keep hearing the same things that seem to me to be forgetting the big picture. And, of course I knew the sour grapes-type comment was coming. Thats what always happens in situations like this as well. Because one person finally says something about someone who many people idolize, its easier to dismiss this problem than to face it. The things that people overlook is allowing the most imporant. I never said he backed down to any PARENTS. My senior season (especially) he back down to the PLAYERS. It may sound absurd but (as I said above and no one mentioned again) the "stars" on the team were literally throwing "f-bombs" (if you will) to his face. What did he do? He took the people that were their backups and threatening to put them in if they didn't stop. That's whats absurd if you ask me. I saw my friends busting it everyday in practice to out perform these guys to no avail. What does that teach the players? Again, I stress that I experienced this stuff first hand. Its not a rumor. I was in the locker room. I got awards for my abilities. Its just as logical to say that if you support him you must have got to play, to say that because I complain I probably didn't. Thats not a valid argument either. Because what I'm describing happened, I'm not making it up. Regardless of the fact that my team went to the playoffs and won some games, it still happened. So the wins/losses don't matter in my book. It starts in the classroom and progresses to the field. Again, no one apparently comment on the fact that the sports part doesn't matter so much as the lessons you're teaching the students. Its just interesting to me that people will argue all day long about the grass on a field (which I might add has never seemed to work too well for us), but when someone questions the very foundation of why we even put a team out on that field, people get upset. Even greater is that many are saying they have no idea about his teaching in the classroom. Sorry to return to that but isn't that quite sad. We send our children to school to get an education and we don't know what goes on in the classroom. Ask any of those kids what they learned and if it didn't have anything to do with coloring then I'd be surprised. Read your children's myspace pages (if you aren't blocked from them) and you'll see that.

I played for Coach McGlone in the late 80s. I also had him in the classroom. I have to disagree with you on this. If you earned it you played. In class he tought what he was supposed to teach. I will conceed that he was better on the football field.

I will defend Coach McGlone. I didn't always agree with every decision that was made but then again I was a player and a student and didn't have too. I did always respect the man though.

Now as I am older and have more experience I respect him even more as a coach and a person. He is very underappreciated in his approach to the game. The man knows football. His laid back personality I think is misunderstood by some. He is more than a figurehead. Also to agree in part with this, Coach Morris is one heck of a coach and has made a huge difference in the program with his energy and abilities.

Now I will address the way the players are treated. Coach McGlone has never cussed at a player. He has never abused a player. As far as I have known and seen he has never played politics with his players. And if any had ever cussed directly at him I can't see him putting up with it.

We are all entitled to are opinions but I hold Coach McGlone in the utmost esteem.