[basketballwizz]

hey coach looks like your still out there making dumm comments wow i feel sorry for your brainedwashed mine,

[ComfortEagle]

I didnt get to watch the full debate, but from what I seen nothing new was said or introduced tonight, so I think the debate was pretty much a tie.

The only thing new that I really heard was McCain's more extensive bailout plan where he said he would buy up all the bad loans. I think that was one of the first things he said, which you might have missed.

[Matman]

Most people who arent on the far right tend to stay away from fox. They lie, distort, and use smear tactics to put down everyone who disagrees with them.

That may be true in some cases but not all. I started watching Fox last year while i was in Iraq. They report the good with the bad when talking about the war. The other news channels never said anything good. Fox news praises the troops and our actions. They supported us during the surge and really its nice to hear it from the news that we are winning. The other news channels made you feel like you were there wasting your time. People like Bill Oreilly love him or hate him but he supports the troops and praises them when ever he can.

[Coach_Owens87]

After the debate tonight I noticed that McCain backed away from a handshake from Obama. Instead he pointed to his wife and Obama shook McCain's wife's hand.

What's the deal with that?

Also, what's the deal with McCain using the term "that one?" Was that appropriate?


As for the debate, I think this debate was a draw tonight. Both sides did pretty well as far as substance goes, but Obama looks more comfortable when he's up there. McCain has a tendency to look goofy at times.


But again, as far as substance goes, I think this one was a tie.

I noticed that too, thought it was very unusual and rude.

[ComfortEagle]

That may be true in some cases but not all. I started watching Fox last year while i was in Iraq. They report the good with the bad when talking about the war. The other news channels never said anything good. Fox news praises the troops and our actions. They supported us during the surge and really its nice to hear it from the news that we are winning. The other news channels made you feel like you were there wasting your time. People like Bill Oreilly love him or hate him but he supports the troops and praises them when ever he can.

I tend to like Bill O'Reilly and commend Fox News on their coverage of the war, but you've also got people on there who I refuse to watch, i.e. Sean Hannity.

And to be fair, I don't watch MSNBC or Olbermann either. He is the liberal version of Hannity.

[Coach_Owens87]

That may be true in some cases but not all. I started watching Fox last year while i was in Iraq. They report the good with the bad when talking about the war. The other news channels never said anything good. Fox news praises the troops and our actions. They supported us during the surge and really its nice to hear it from the news that we are winning. The other news channels made you feel like you were there wasting your time. People like Bill Oreilly love him or hate him but he supports the troops and praises them when ever he can.

I appreciate the service you provided to the country, but I don't think fox is the only channel that praises our troops. Although the media may be harsh on the war, I don't think they single out our troops as failing, or doing anything wrong. It's mostly directed at our leadership.

O'rielly may support our troops, but he has made some very dumb comments about the troops, past and present. I.E saying that American troops slaughtered German troops at Malmedy, (To make a dumb political point) which wasn't true, it was the other way around (he never apologized for this.). He tries to make it seem that everyone who doesn't agree with this war hates the troops, which is false, and really just ticks me off.

[Matman]

You're getting redundant.

It was NOT misleading and I would like to, again, invite you to read my post.

I never said "Polls show Obama is the winner."

I said, "CBS Polls show Obama as the winner."

I took your advise and went back and read your statement and i looked at your source. I still think its very misleading. Now i can see i'm not going to change your mind. You probally have never worked in situations where you are held liable or accountable. But go back and read the article. You will notice every time they mention the poll they state "uncomitted voters". They do this for a reason.

[Coach_Owens87]

hey coach looks like your still out there making dumm comments wow i feel sorry for your brainedwashed mine,

If your going to make personal attacks about my intelligence, I think it would be wise to learn to spell the words in your attack correctly.

Calling someone dumb, and misspelling it is very sad.

[ComfortEagle]

I took your advise and went back and read your statement and i looked at your source. I still think its very misleading. Now i can see i'm not going to change your mind. You probally have never worked in situations where you are held liable or accountable. But go back and read the article. You will notice every time they mention the poll they state "uncomitted voters". They do this for a reason.

Yes, they mention it because there is no bias, I don't know how many time I have to say that. If you can please point out what is misleading? Again, where did I fail to mention that this was CBS' poll. CBS has used uncommitted voters in their debate polls since the first Presidential debate this year.

And I don't appreciate your comment about never being held liable or accountable, that is a disrespectful comment to be made to someone you don't know, nor do you know my life history or work history.

[Matman]

I appreciate the service you provided to the country, but I don't think fox is the only channel that praises our troops. Although the media may be harsh on the war, I don't think they single out our troops as failing, or doing anything wrong. It's mostly directed at our leadership.

O'rielly may support our troops, but he has made some very dumb comments about the troops, past and present. I.E saying that American troops slaughtered German troops at Malmedy, (To make a dumb political point) which wasn't true, it was the other way around (he never apologized for this.). He tries to make it seem that everyone who doesn't agree with this war hates the troops, which is false, and really just ticks me off.

Thank you for your appriciation. But the leadership of the war is now and has been for the last three years in the hands of the Generals. Not politicians. Not since the polatician from Minasota called for troops to be withdrawn from Fallujah. Which lead to one of the bloodiest battles of the war. Now the leaders are the Generals and that is why we are winning.

[Coach_Owens87]

Thank you for your appriciation. But the leadership of the war is now and has been for the last three years in the hands of the Generals. Not politicians. Not since the polatician from Minasota called for troops to be withdrawn from Fallujah. Which lead to one of the bloodiest battles of the war. Now the leaders are the Generals and that is why we are winning.

So leadership cant be generals? I never said that fault was all on politicians. I do agree that things are going better in Iraq, but I cant say that I agree we should be there.

[Matman]

Yes, they mention it because there is no bias, I'm not sure why you don't understand that.. If you can please point out what is misleading? Again, where did I fail to mention that this was CBS' poll. CBS has used uncommitted voters in their debate polls since the first Presidential debate this year.

And I don't appreciate your comment about never being held liable or accountable, that is a disrespectful comment to be made to someone you don't know.

There is nothing direspectful about it. Have you worked in the news, political office, public relations or the military. If you have then i appologize. I believe you are being over sensitive.

[ComfortEagle]

There is nothing direspectful about it. Have you worked in the news, political office, public relations or the military. If you have then i appologize. I believe you are being over sensitive.

I have not worked in a Public Relations department, but I regularly work with the public and have for my entire work history. I currently work in a position where bad judgment could lead to the death of a customer, so it is essential that I be responsible and safe.

The jobs you have listed are not the only positions that require accountability and you are selling others short to assume so.

I would assume that most of us who have jobs are held accountable for our work.

[Matman]

So leadership cant be generals? I never said that fault was all on politicians. I do agree that things are going better in Iraq, but I cant say that I agree we should be there.

Thats ok most people don't even know why we are there. They have never ran a terrorist group out of a town and had the kids all run up and hug you. Most people have never looked into the eyes of the kids. I will go back time after time to help anyone. Some people don't have that same sense of selfless service. I've spent three out of the last six years there. I will probally go back again. But thats expected. I believe in this country and what this country can do. And the leaders of the war are Generals. There are several types of leaders. Most of the things that went wrong in the beginning was because of politicians.

[Matman]

I have not worked in a Public Relations department, but I regularly work with the public and have for my entire work history. I currently work in a position where bad judgment could lead to the death of a customer, so it is essential that I be responsible and safe.

The jobs you have listed are not the only positions that require accountability and it is unfair to assume so.

I would assume that most of us who have jobs are held accountable for our work.

Yeah but most jobs aren't held to the same accountability under law or ucmj as the ones i listed.

[ComfortEagle]

Yeah but most jobs aren't held to the same accountability under law or ucmj as the ones i listed.

That is fine, but that is not the statement you made at first.

In your original post, you made the assumption, "You probally have never worked in situations where you are held liable or accountable."

You are correct, I might not get court-martialed for one of my actions, but I do have to be held accountable because bad judgment on my part could lead to the injury or death of a customer and/or the loss of thousands of dollars of company assets.

[ComfortEagle]

The poll on elections.foxnews.com (that anyone and everyone can vote in, therefore it is not a scientific poll....but neither is sending in a text message) shows Obama was the winner of the 2nd Presidential debate.


Obama - 69%
McCain - 31%

http://elections.foxnews.com/

You can look under where it says "Question of the Day" on the first page.

[ComfortEagle]

Sorry if the picture above is too small. Here is a direct link where you can also view that picture.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll261...ture-1.png

[ComfortEagle]

According to CNN.com, Obama won the debate tonight:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...the-night/
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) — A national poll of debate watchers suggests that Barack Obama won the second presidential debate.

Fifty-four percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey conducted after the debate ended said that Obama did the best job in the debate, with 30 percent saying John McCain performed better.

Watch: Debate analysis

A majority, 54 percent, said Obama seemed to be the stronger leader during the debate, to 43 percent for McCain. By a greater than two to one margin — 65 percent to 28 percent — viewers thought Obama was more likeable during the debate.



To read more of the article, go to the link posted above.

[Beetle01]

Comfort Eagle, I find it interesting that since a poll says it used uncommited voters, you believe that they must not be bias. I bet there is a huge difference between uncommited voters from San Francisco and ones from Alabama. Also, who cares if a poll says Obama or McCain won. They don't get to be President because they won a poll after a debate. Everyone is going to have different opinions on who won the debate. So in January will Obama get his I won the second debate trophy?

There is still a large percentage of uncommited voters. Almost 10%. I'm a firm believer that most of those are going to lean towards McCain, and also Obama is not going to get the percentages come election day that the polls show now. Its already been shown people will tell pollsters they will vote for Obama when actually they don't intend to for fear of people thinking they are racist and its the "cool" thing to do.

[lawrencefan]

That was the most boring debate I've ever seen. I think they both lost!

[Amun-Ra]

I don't care what the polls say I know what I watched. Obama seemed to me, to be more in touch with what this country needs, what it's problems are and how to fix them. McCain did make good points but it was hard to see them with all the remarks he was making about Obama. IMO McCain was disrespectful many times to Obama. I couldn't understand why everytime Obama would speak McCain thought it was time to get up and walk around behind Obama. When McCain's turn was up Obama didn't take laps around the arena.

[Beetle01]

I think McCain was talking about Obama so that people will realize that most of what he says he won't come through on. He loves to talk about cutting spending on one hand and talks about investing in the other? Which is it? He double speaks all the time. He talks about all the tax cuts for the poor who don't pay taxes anyway. However he wants to increase government involvement in every aspect of our life. If its one thing we all know its that government invlovement is never a good thing. Its corrupt and never ever works the way it should.

[DevilsWin]

i think Mccain won hands down that one look lost all night yhay one voted 96 time to raise taxes is that what you want for your country.also we need to look at thats ones friends that will keep coming up........ so it's not over until it's over

But of course Wizz breath! LOL

[vundy33]

Thank you for your appriciation. But the leadership of the war is now and has been for the last three years in the hands of the Generals. Not politicians. Not since the polatician from Minasota called for troops to be withdrawn from Fallujah. Which lead to one of the bloodiest battles of the war. Now the leaders are the Generals and that is why we are winning.

Iraqi officials wanted us to leave Fallujah, Not some politician. They thought that there were to many civilian casualties to keep pushing through the city. Pressure from Iraqi officials caused Bush to enact a ceasefire in Fallujah. We lost too many because of that ceasefire. They were sitting ducks.

[DevilsWin]

That may be true in some cases but not all. I started watching Fox last year while i was in Iraq. They report the good with the bad when talking about the war. The other news channels never said anything good. Fox news praises the troops and our actions. They supported us during the surge and really its nice to hear it from the news that we are winning. The other news channels made you feel like you were there wasting your time. People like Bill Oreilly love him or hate him but he supports the troops and praises them when ever he can.

I hate to break it to ya pal but just because Fox news praised the job you all were doing over there doesn't mean it was the truth.

They also failed to report when your chain of command was behaving like Hogans Heroes.

[DevilsWin]

Thats ok most people don't even know why we are there. They have never ran a terrorist group out of a town and had the kids all run up and hug you. Most people have never looked into the eyes of the kids. I will go back time after time to help anyone. Some people don't have that same sense of selfless service. I've spent three out of the last six years there. I will probally go back again. But thats expected. I believe in this country and what this country can do. And the leaders of the war are Generals. There are several types of leaders. Most of the things that went wrong in the beginning was because of politicians.

Would you care to name names?

[DevilsWin]

Iraqi officials wanted us to leave Fallujah, Not some politician. They thought that there were to many civilian casualties to keep pushing through the city. Pressure from Iraqi officials caused Bush to enact a ceasefire in Fallujah. We lost too many because of that ceasefire. They were sitting ducks.

I know we can always count on Vundy33 to set the record straight. Thanks!

[vundy33]

It was actually Paul Bremer that declared the ceasefire, not Bush. Sorry bout that.

[Beetle01]

I hate to break it to ya pal but just because Fox news praised the job you all were doing over there doesn't mean it was the truth.

They also failed to report when your chain of command was behaving like Hogans Heroes.

proof?