[MR. NOBODY]

Estill's weak schedule will show up in this game. Larkey will not let a double wing offense beat him. You will not beat a good team running a gimmick offense. H.C.C just came off of a big win over a good Middlesboro team in which they put over 50 on them. H.C.C. 28 Estill 22. Larkey knows how to stop the running game being in a district with Bell co. for the past several years.
H.C.C. will win this one in a close game.

Why are you so negative to everyone on here. When you were coaching against Estill you couldn't stop it, must not be not much of a gimmick. I cant help that you are not a very successful coach and want to take it out on everybody else.:moon:

[bobcatfan22]

Estill's weak schedule will show up in this game. Larkey will not let a double wing offense beat him. You will not beat a good team running a gimmick offense. H.C.C just came off of a big win over a good Middlesboro team in which they put over 50 on them. H.C.C. 28 Estill 22. Larkey knows how to stop the running game being in a district with Bell co. for the past several years.
H.C.C. will win this one in a close game.

Your always putting someone/team down. There is no need in that. This Estill team played Breathitt down to the wire and only lost by 1 with the game at Breathitt. Harlan got beat by 40 to this Breathitt team at home. Evidently that gimmick offense is doing something right to play within a point to a team that beat this great team that Larkey has by 40. Dont get me wrong, for a first year program Harlan co can play some football, but they are def. not where they need to be and I just dont see them competing with this Estill team.

[MR. NOBODY]

This game will be exactly what I have been saying all year. I know we must play Harlan for the fact it is a district game. However, by us playing Berea and especially Phelps before a big district game will not be enough to have prepared us for Harlan. Just maybe we should have scheduled a Corbin or a Prestonsburg, a tougher competion never hurts a program that is trying to get over the hump. So I sadily say Harlan 36 Estill 20. Does anyone know if coach Niece will be taking the drive to Harlan co. Friday night? A fan that cares.

Well Mr. Coffee, which i think its you and if its not this is for you. Why do you even come to the games if you wanna *****. Maye you sould apply for the head coach or even AD. If you ask you might even be able to come to practice and games to give your advice. Maybe even wear a headset up in the booth. If your A FAN THAT CARES at all you would be proud of these young men,staff and county for doing well. So i really dont wanna hear anymore of you BULL****. From a true ALUMNI FAN THAT CARES!:ChairHit:

[Neersfan]

Why are you so negative to everyone on here. When you were coaching against Estill you couldn't stop it, must not be not much of a gimmick. I cant help that you are not a very successful coach and want to take it out on everybody else.:moon:

Very well said! There are alot of former coaches on here that gripe about the success of Estill and the fact of the matter is that if they were that great themselves then they would still be coaching and not b***hin.:Thumbs:

[youcantseeme85]

I think Estill will win this one big.... Harlan aint as good as everyone thinks... They wont do nothing next year in 5A

[HB0669]

I think if EC speads HC out and runs the ball they win. If they don't HC stops them and wins the game. I have know idea what the score is going to be. I do now if EC don't stop off tackle runs, it could be another big night for the Black Bears!!!!

[Mama Bear]

What games have you watched Harlan Co. play this year Bobcatfan22? On what do you base your thought that our team isn't "where they should be" as a first year team and as a district contender? New Coach, new offense, new defense, meshing with different players, ect. The community support is phenominal and we are 5-2. Losses to two good teams. Played one really bad game. If Estil rolls in to Harlan County thinking that they played Breathitt close and this is gonna be a walk in the park against the Black Bears, they might get their feelings hurt.

[Estillfootballgirl]

What games have you watched Harlan Co. play this year Bobcatfan22? On what do you base your thought that our team isn't "where they should be" as a first year team and as a district contender? New Coach, new offense, new defense, meshing with different players, ect. The community support is phenominal and we are 5-2. Losses to two good teams. Played one really bad game. If Estil rolls in to Harlan County thinking that they played Breathitt close and this is gonna be a walk in the park against the Black Bears, they might get their feelings hurt.

I Don't Think Estill Is Comparing Harlan To Breathitt...I Think They Have Prepared For Harlan County And Don't Expect This To Be An "Easy" Game.... I Think Estill Will Come In And Play Ball The Way That They Need To So That They Leave With A Win....

[bobcatfan22]

What games have you watched Harlan Co. play this year Bobcatfan22? On what do you base your thought that our team isn't "where they should be" as a first year team and as a district contender? New Coach, new offense, new defense, meshing with different players, ect. The community support is phenominal and we are 5-2. Losses to two good teams. Played one really bad game. If Estil rolls in to Harlan County thinking that they played Breathitt close and this is gonna be a walk in the park against the Black Bears, they might get their feelings hurt.

No one said this game would be a walk in the park for Estill. I watched Harlan play Powell county and they won that game by 11. Them 11 points came off of two safteys.(A bad snap in which the punter had to kick the ball out of bounds in the endzone and the other off a blocked punt in the endzone.) The other 7 came off a punt return at the end of the second half. Overall Powell county played with Harlan county and Estill beat Powell by 30. From what i have seen from both teams, Estill is the better team. Sorry to break it to you and with a 5a team playing a 3a schedule, they should be beating up on teams pretty badly but im yet to see it!

[HB0669]

No one said this game would be a walk in the park for Estill. I watched Harlan play Powell county and they won that game by 11. Them 11 points came off of two safteys.(A bad snap in which the punter had to kick the ball out of bounds in the endzone and the other off a blocked punt in the endzone.) The other 7 came off a punt return at the end of the second half. Overall Powell county played with Harlan county and Estill beat Powell by 30. From what i have seen from both teams, Estill is the better team. Sorry to break it to you and with a 5a team playing a 3a schedule, they should be beating up on teams pretty badly but im yet to see it!

From what I seen the refs took a lot of points away from Harlan Against Powell. The refs keep Powell in the game the second half!!

[Mama Bear]

No one said this game would be a walk in the park for Estill. I watched Harlan play Powell county and they won that game by 11. Them 11 points came off of two safteys.(A bad snap in which the punter had to kick the ball out of bounds in the endzone and the other off a blocked punt in the endzone.) The other 7 came off a punt return at the end of the second half. Overall Powell county played with Harlan county and Estill beat Powell by 30. From what i have seen from both teams, Estill is the better team. Sorry to break it to you and with a 5a team playing a 3a schedule, they should be beating up on teams pretty badly but im yet to see it!

So let me get this right, we are winning games, but because we aren't "beating up" on teams like oh maybe Phelps or Pineville, then we aren't meeting your standards as a district contender? We can talk about next year when the season is over and the schedule we will be playing next year. In reference to this year you said we weren't where we needed to be as a team. What should the Black Bear's be doing that would meet your standards, this year, as to "where we should be"?

[Yogibear]

If you watched Harlan and Powell and believed that it was a close game then you don't know football. Powell scored on a trick play and had two decent drives to score. Other than that nothing. HC moved the ball up and down the field and had some problems punching it in. It was their own mistakes, not Powell, that cost them the second half. That game could have been 60-12 easily. Powell also moved the ball on Estill. It was 30-14 at one point and could easily have been closer if not for some blown blocking assignment and a turnover here or there.

[NIECE]

Very well said! There are alot of former coaches on here that gripe about the success of Estill and the fact of the matter is that if they were that great themselves then they would still be coaching and not b***hin.:Thumbs:

Is that right? First, Estill's former coaches which coached with Coach Niece do not coach because they choose not too, mainly because of the style and embarrassment of the schedule. Second, no one on here has said anything bad about the kids here in Estill. Third, we did not play PHELPS, BEREA, KNOTT CO AND ANYONE ELSE WITH A LOSING RECORD THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS before the contracts were up. Fourth, winning nine games against these people is NOT SUCCESSFUL period... Fifth, we have never been known to drop anyone on our schedule until the recent past: Bellevue (which we scheduled when they were 2-8 or somewhere in that area) after they kicked our butts (not the kids fault, the talent is here), Rockastle, Garrard, Madison Southern, Johnson Central, just a few off the top of my head. We didn't run from ANYONE, they may have beat us on the score board, which was not often, but they new they had been in a fight and we can still today be proud of what we did. Sixth, you are not doing the kids justice by playing these people, for when they do play someone decent they are not prepared (not their fault, nothing here is being said about the kids if you get the point). I am tired of counting! It seems the people have amnesia around here that think they know anything about football. Let me give you some out of district competition that used to be scheduled: Breathitt, Johnson Central, Clay Co, Hazard, Prestonsburg, Pikeville, and BY *** we played! Something to be proud of! Not 10-2 playing cupcakes as alum43 says and getting killed by good teams, first or second round of districts. I don't remember a coach coffee so I can't callout nor would I our alumn43. I can say alumn43 has only spoken the truth and he has said nothing bad about our kids so please refrain from moranic activity on here and that embarrasses yourselves more. Bottom line, I know how scheduling goes and you don't have to play "CUPCAKES". The AD and Head Coach do this, and I can promise you there is better teams to play than what has been scheduled. Let me leave you football experts with this: Louisville Central was 5-5 going into the playoffs last year and won the STATE, you think anyone remembers those five losses. Their coach prepared them by playing a very tough schedule and doing what it takes. As a coach you CAN tell folks like Berea, if they call, no I am sorry we are not going to play and instead find a quality opponent. Too many younger coaches these days are worried about their win totals and I have personally heard some say they will travel anywhere for a win (not necesarrily here either). I will leave you with this: We do have fans who care, especially from the old school and it is an embarrassment to see who we are playing and how we have been whipped by good teams we have played (THIS TOO is not about the kids, but it is the TRUTH). Try to lose some of the amnesia and open your eyes and think back to ESTILL CO FOOTBALL! A FAN THAT CARES!

[NIECE]

Well Mr. Coffee, which i think its you and if its not this is for you. Why do you even come to the games if you wanna *****. Maye you sould apply for the head coach or even AD. If you ask you might even be able to come to practice and games to give your advice. Maybe even wear a headset up in the booth. If your A FAN THAT CARES at all you would be proud of these young men,staff and county for doing well. So i really dont wanna hear anymore of you BULL****. From a true ALUMNI FAN THAT CARES!:ChairHit:

I don't think I would call out an old school player. Especially if it is this guy. Oh, I forgot, you can hide behind your screen name! Let me tell you something, Estill's kids got one of the greatest compliments from Breathitt's coach, here it is, "they have had more talent in the past ten years than you had ever", WOW!!! So, why do we get beat to death by Lloyd Memorial, Prestonsburg, and Breathitt when in the playoffs (in the past of course). BTW, don't underestimate how much knowledge former players and coaches have about what goes on for we are not invalids.

[rubbermeetstheroad]

i think this is a jealousy deal, we all appreciate the past coaches, this is so stupid, its outright jealousy and animosity towards a coach that is working hard and developed that talent base, to fit what he wants to do. the kids are proud of their offense, it is their identity, winning is fun, being healthy is too:p

[sc06cheer]

If you watched Harlan and Powell and believed that it was a close game then you don't know football. Powell scored on a trick play and had two decent drives to score. Other than that nothing. HC moved the ball up and down the field and had some problems punching it in. It was their own mistakes, not Powell, that cost them the second half. That game could have been 60-12 easily. Powell also moved the ball on Estill. It was 30-14 at one point and could easily have been closer if not for some blown blocking assignment and a turnover here or there.

very well said!

I am so sick and tired about hearing people compare teams and think that because one team played em this way, and this one played them that way that its an automatic win for that team. Powell is improved, but the only reason they scored in the second half was off two trick plays, Harlan just made a mistake there in that first part of the 3rd quarter but I can tell you this much, as soon as them points came off Harlan's defense stepped up quick and Powell didn't have a chance to score the rest of the game. This is the way the scoring went

Harlan County 14 16 0 2 — 32

Powell County 6 0 15 0 — 21

If it weren't for Powell's quick points in the 3rd the score would of been 32-6 so seriously, drop that game, and stop trying to compare scores and think that you'll beat someone just because of something that happened in a game. Harlan made mistakes, every team does, but guess what, thats been worked on and they're playing good. (ps. that wasn't meant for you yogibear)

[sc06cheer]

So let me get this right, we are winning games, but because we aren't "beating up" on teams like oh maybe Phelps or Pineville, then we aren't meeting your standards as a district contender? We can talk about next year when the season is over and the schedule we will be playing next year. In reference to this year you said we weren't where we needed to be as a team. What should the Black Bear's be doing that would meet your standards, this year, as to "where we should be"?

Apparently a new team is suppose to be unstoppable its first year and because it's a 5A they're suppose to "beat up" on everyone. I think people are forgetting that this is a new school, not everyone has played together their whole life. AND they didn't even start practicing together until summer time. THERE WAS NO SPRING PRACTICE FOR THESE GUYS PEOPLE. So how can you expect teams that have only been playing with each other for a few months to be that great? Trust me, Harlan's going in the right direction and they're picking up their game when they need to, which is right now. I'm proud of the boys EVEN if they don't win another game this year (which I think they will). They do have some stuff to work on, but that's expected. They've done good, and I think they'll continue to do fine..

[rubbermeetstheroad]

Is that right? First, Estill's former coaches which coached with Coach Niece do not coach because they choose not too, mainly because of the style and embarrassment of the schedule. Second, no one on here has said anything bad about the kids here in Estill. Third, we did not play PHELPS, BEREA, KNOTT CO AND ANYONE ELSE WITH A LOSING RECORD THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS before the contracts were up. Fourth, winning nine games against these people is NOT SUCCESSFUL period... Fifth, we have never been known to drop anyone on our schedule until the recent past: Bellevue (which we scheduled when they were 2-8 or somewhere in that area) after they kicked our butts (not the kids fault, the talent is here), Rockastle, Garrard, Madison Southern, Johnson Central, just a few off the top of my head. We didn't run from ANYONE, they may have beat us on the score board, which was not often, but they new they had been in a fight and we can still today be proud of what we did. Sixth, you are not doing the kids justice by playing these people, for when they do play someone decent they are not prepared (not their fault, nothing here is being said about the kids if you get the point). I am tired of counting! It seems the people have amnesia around here that think they know anything about football. Let me give you some out of district competition that used to be scheduled: Breathitt, Johnson Central, Clay Co, Hazard, Prestonsburg, Pikeville, and BY *** we played! Something to be proud of! Not 10-2 playing cupcakes as alum43 says and getting killed by good teams, first or second round of districts. I don't remember a coach coffee so I can't callout nor would I our alumn43. I can say alumn43 has only spoken the truth and he has said nothing bad about our kids so please refrain from moranic activity on here and that embarrasses yourselves more. Bottom line, I know how scheduling goes and you don't have to play "CUPCAKES". The AD and Head Coach do this, and I can promise you there is better teams to play than what has been scheduled. Let me leave you football experts with this: Louisville Central was 5-5 going into the playoffs last year and won the STATE, you think anyone remembers those five losses. Their coach prepared them by playing a very tough schedule and doing what it takes. As a coach you CAN tell folks like Berea, if they call, no I am sorry we are not going to play and instead find a quality opponent. Too many younger coaches these days are worried about their win totals and I have personally heard some say they will travel anywhere for a win (not necesarrily here either). I will leave you with this: We do have fans who care, especially from the old school and it is an embarrassment to see who we are playing and how we have been whipped by good teams we have played (THIS TOO is not about the kids, but it is the TRUTH). Try to lose some of the amnesia and open your eyes and think back to ESTILL CO FOOTBALL! A FAN THAT CARES!

all this does noone no good, if you dont like coach jones i am sure someonelse would love to have him,

[bobcatfan22]

So let me get this right, we are winning games, but because we aren't "beating up" on teams like oh maybe Phelps or Pineville, then we aren't meeting your standards as a district contender? We can talk about next year when the season is over and the schedule we will be playing next year. In reference to this year you said we weren't where we needed to be as a team. What should the Black Bear's be doing that would meet your standards, this year, as to "where we should be"?

As a 5a team, they shouldnt have got beaten by 40 to a Breathitt team that isnt as good as they are in the past. I give it to Harlan, they have a good team, theyre just not as good as you people are making them out to be. I cant wait till next year when all these 5a teams start giving you them beatings you deserve. When and I said WHEN Estill stomps you guys, I dont want to hear the whining how your boys played another bad game like you did against Powell. Powell came out and played hard against you guys and you cant stand that a team that you predicted to beat by 40+ played you guys within 11 points that came off special teams. My point is made!

[thecavemaster]

Is that right? First, Estill's former coaches which coached with Coach Niece do not coach because they choose not too, mainly because of the style and embarrassment of the schedule. Second, no one on here has said anything bad about the kids here in Estill. Third, we did not play PHELPS, BEREA, KNOTT CO AND ANYONE ELSE WITH A LOSING RECORD THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS before the contracts were up. Fourth, winning nine games against these people is NOT SUCCESSFUL period... Fifth, we have never been known to drop anyone on our schedule until the recent past: Bellevue (which we scheduled when they were 2-8 or somewhere in that area) after they kicked our butts (not the kids fault, the talent is here), Rockastle, Garrard, Madison Southern, Johnson Central, just a few off the top of my head. We didn't run from ANYONE, they may have beat us on the score board, which was not often, but they new they had been in a fight and we can still today be proud of what we did. Sixth, you are not doing the kids justice by playing these people, for when they do play someone decent they are not prepared (not their fault, nothing here is being said about the kids if you get the point). I am tired of counting! It seems the people have amnesia around here that think they know anything about football. Let me give you some out of district competition that used to be scheduled: Breathitt, Johnson Central, Clay Co, Hazard, Prestonsburg, Pikeville, and BY *** we played! Something to be proud of! Not 10-2 playing cupcakes as alum43 says and getting killed by good teams, first or second round of districts. I don't remember a coach coffee so I can't callout nor would I our alumn43. I can say alumn43 has only spoken the truth and he has said nothing bad about our kids so please refrain from moranic activity on here and that embarrasses yourselves more. Bottom line, I know how scheduling goes and you don't have to play "CUPCAKES". The AD and Head Coach do this, and I can promise you there is better teams to play than what has been scheduled. Let me leave you football experts with this: Louisville Central was 5-5 going into the playoffs last year and won the STATE, you think anyone remembers those five losses. Their coach prepared them by playing a very tough schedule and doing what it takes. As a coach you CAN tell folks like Berea, if they call, no I am sorry we are not going to play and instead find a quality opponent. Too many younger coaches these days are worried about their win totals and I have personally heard some say they will travel anywhere for a win (not necesarrily here either). I will leave you with this: We do have fans who care, especially from the old school and it is an embarrassment to see who we are playing and how we have been whipped by good teams we have played (THIS TOO is not about the kids, but it is the TRUTH). Try to lose some of the amnesia and open your eyes and think back to ESTILL CO FOOTBALL! A FAN THAT CARES!

Coach Jones works hard. Is this disputed? Estill's team is much improved over the course of the last, say, four years. Is this disputed? Estill's non-district schedule this year is not particularly tough. Is this disputed? Estill's team, as a whole, has worked very hard in the weight room the last several years. Is that disputed? Suggesting that Estill's teams used to be more prepared than they are now suggests a little bias. Is this disputed? Suggesting that Estill's team "these days" is an embarrassment is the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that can be ignored. Is this disputed?

[Neersfan]

Coach Jones works hard. Is this disputed? Estill's team is much improved over the course of the last, say, four years. Is this disputed? Estill's non-district schedule this year is not particularly tough. Is this disputed? Estill's team, as a whole, has worked very hard in the weight room the last several years. Is that disputed? Suggesting that Estill's teams used to be more prepared than they are now suggests a little bias. Is this disputed? Suggesting that Estill's team "these days" is an embarrassment is the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that can be ignored. Is this disputed?

No dispute here :Thumbs:

[NIECE]

Coach Jones works hard. Is this disputed? Estill's team is much improved over the course of the last, say, four years. Is this disputed? Estill's non-district schedule this year is not particularly tough. Is this disputed? Estill's team, as a whole, has worked very hard in the weight room the last several years. Is that disputed? Suggesting that Estill's teams used to be more prepared than they are now suggests a little bias. Is this disputed? Suggesting that Estill's team "these days" is an embarrassment is the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that can be ignored. Is this disputed?

First off; nothing has been said about Estill's team being an embarrassment from myself. I have said the schedule is. I did not say coach Jones doesn't work hard, the proof is in the pudding, look at the kids they are mules. But I can say due to the way practice used to be and the schedules "I" think it better prepares you for the playoffs. And for that matter coach Jones used to be one of those players who went through the course of practice and tough scheduling and was ****good at it. So don't push this as a personal thing, it's not. The schedule is what it is and not one.......one team other than Breathitt could have a fighting chance against this team. Had the game been at Estill, Estill would have won JMO. As long as the truth is being spoken, then deal with it, that is what you do as a man/coach. Is any of this disputed?

[BlackBearDenMother]

As a 5a team, they shouldnt have got beaten by 40 to a Breathitt team that isnt as good as they are in the past. I give it to Harlan, they have a good team, theyre just not as good as you people are making them out to be. I cant wait till next year when all these 5a teams start giving you them beatings you deserve. When and I said WHEN Estill stomps you guys, I dont want to hear the whining how your boys played another bad game like you did against Powell. Powell came out and played hard against you guys and you cant stand that a team that you predicted to beat by 40+ played you guys within 11 points that came off special teams. My point is made!

Beatings we "DESERVE"!!!....why don't you go crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from!!! Why would you say the beatings we "DESERVE". Our boys come out to practice every day in the heat, rain, cold, whatever...just like every other team does to try to make themselves the best football team they can be, so that comment chaps my behind JUST a tad! You are right, we should not have gotten beaten 40 points by Breathitt, but you know that old saying s_ _ t happens and we've moved on from it.

GO BEARS AND SHOW THEM ALL WHAT YOU'VE GOT (especially this horse's butt)!!! :redboxer: :redboxer: :redboxer:

[Neersfan]

Is that right? First, Estill's former coaches which coached with Coach Niece do not coach because they choose not too, mainly because of the style and embarrassment of the schedule. Second, no one on here has said anything bad about the kids here in Estill. Third, we did not play PHELPS, BEREA, KNOTT CO AND ANYONE ELSE WITH A LOSING RECORD THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS before the contracts were up. Fourth, winning nine games against these people is NOT SUCCESSFUL period... Fifth, we have never been known to drop anyone on our schedule until the recent past: Bellevue (which we scheduled when they were 2-8 or somewhere in that area) after they kicked our butts (not the kids fault, the talent is here), Rockastle, Garrard, Madison Southern, Johnson Central, just a few off the top of my head. We didn't run from ANYONE, they may have beat us on the score board, which was not often, but they new they had been in a fight and we can still today be proud of what we did. Sixth, you are not doing the kids justice by playing these people, for when they do play someone decent they are not prepared (not their fault, nothing here is being said about the kids if you get the point). I am tired of counting! It seems the people have amnesia around here that think they know anything about football. Let me give you some out of district competition that used to be scheduled: Breathitt, Johnson Central, Clay Co, Hazard, Prestonsburg, Pikeville, and BY *** we played! Something to be proud of! Not 10-2 playing cupcakes as alum43 says and getting killed by good teams, first or second round of districts. I don't remember a coach coffee so I can't callout nor would I our alumn43. I can say alumn43 has only spoken the truth and he has said nothing bad about our kids so please refrain from moranic activity on here and that embarrasses yourselves more. Bottom line, I know how scheduling goes and you don't have to play "CUPCAKES". The AD and Head Coach do this, and I can promise you there is better teams to play than what has been scheduled. Let me leave you football experts with this: Louisville Central was 5-5 going into the playoffs last year and won the STATE, you think anyone remembers those five losses. Their coach prepared them by playing a very tough schedule and doing what it takes. As a coach you CAN tell folks like Berea, if they call, no I am sorry we are not going to play and instead find a quality opponent. Too many younger coaches these days are worried about their win totals and I have personally heard some say they will travel anywhere for a win (not necesarrily here either). I will leave you with this: We do have fans who care, especially from the old school and it is an embarrassment to see who we are playing and how we have been whipped by good teams we have played (THIS TOO is not about the kids, but it is the TRUTH). Try to lose some of the amnesia and open your eyes and think back to ESTILL CO FOOTBALL! A FAN THAT CARES!

Here is the bottom line! If Holcomb said they have had the best talent in the last ten years then he was trying to keep the peace or something with someone. To get to the playoffs you have to play your district. So by your thoughts we have a weak district. If you don't think we have a good coaching staff thats fine. As a parent I know that the majority of people are happy with the staff. I don't think that Coach Jones is too worried about his win totals because if so then he would not be at Estill. He is from here and has pride in the past present and future. This is the best chance that Estill has and has had of competing deep into the playoffs.

[NIECE]

all this does noone no good, if you dont like coach jones i am sure someonelse would love to have him,

No one said anything about not liking coach Jones!!!!!!!! Get the chip off your shoulder. Coach Jones lived with us for a while (and his brother lived with us for 6 years, so that makes him a brother to me) and I followed his whole career at Union which was a good one. So, I would not say anything to coach Jones I wouldn't say to my family. If the truth hurts and it sometimes does, deal with. I would have liked to see this years team play teams like Johnson Central, Prestonsburg, Rockastle. You know why, probably not, so I will tell you. They could give them a run for the money if not beat them and it is a ****of a lot better bragging about that than beating Phelps, Knott Co, Berea, etc. So don't throw words in about not liking coach Jones, dad talked with people and got him here, you think that would happen if we didn't like him?

[NIECE]

Here is the bottom line! If Holcomb said they have had the best talent in the last ten years then he was trying to keep the peace or something with someone. To get to the playoffs you have to play your district. So by your thoughts we have a weak district. If you don't think we have a good coaching staff thats fine. As a parent I know that the majority of people are happy with the staff. I don't think that Coach Jones is too worried about his win totals because if so then he would not be at Estill. He is from here and has pride in the past present and future. This is the best chance that Estill has and has had of competing deep into the playoffs.

You know Holcomb? Doubt it. He would not BS, especially with one of his best friends. The district is extremely weak except for Breathitt and Estill, prove me wrong and I will accept it (Fleming has won 1 game beating Lewis, Powell has beat Jackson, Lewis, Betsy Layne, Fleming, and Morgan, look at their records, not exactly Juggarnauts). I did not say anything about the coaching staff, you too can get the chip of the shoulder. They have a good staff. I said and let me say it again, the shedule (out of district) is weak, weak, weak! Name one team other than Berea who has won more than 3 games. So as for the playoffs: the other district is not very strong we will be playing in, I look for a Breathitt vs Estill rematch in the regional game to see who gets to play Belfry, Sheldon Clark, Russell, Mason, or whoever. You are right this the second great chance to get deep into the playoffs, don't forget the 03 team. They beat a couple quality non district opponents also. Who would cry about playing in the semi's or the state?

[NIECE]

very well said!

I am so sick and tired about hearing people compare teams and think that because one team played em this way, and this one played them that way that its an automatic win for that team. Powell is improved, but the only reason they scored in the second half was off two trick plays, Harlan just made a mistake there in that first part of the 3rd quarter but I can tell you this much, as soon as them points came off Harlan's defense stepped up quick and Powell didn't have a chance to score the rest of the game. This is the way the scoring went

Harlan County 14 16 0 2 — 32

Powell County 6 0 15 0 — 21

If it weren't for Powell's quick points in the 3rd the score would of been 32-6 so seriously, drop that game, and stop trying to compare scores and think that you'll beat someone just because of something that happened in a game. Harlan made mistakes, every team does, but guess what, thats been worked on and they're playing good. (ps. that wasn't meant for you yogibear)

Nicely put, Powell Co is not coming to Harlan this Friday. You will be dealing with a different animal.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

Beatings we "DESERVE"!!!....why don't you go crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from!!! Why would you say the beatings we "DESERVE". Our boys come out to practice every day in the heat, rain, cold, whatever...just like every other team does to try to make themselves the best football team they can be, so that comment chaps my behind JUST a tad! You are right, we should not have gotten beaten 40 points by Breathitt, but you know that old saying s_ _ t happens and we've moved on from it.

GO BEARS AND SHOW THEM ALL WHAT YOU'VE GOT (especially this horse's butt)!!! :redboxer: :redboxer: :redboxer:

This fella' is not an Engineers fan.

[NIECE]

i think this is a jealousy deal, we all appreciate the past coaches, this is so stupid, its outright jealousy and animosity towards a coach that is working hard and developed that talent base, to fit what he wants to do. the kids are proud of their offense, it is their identity, winning is fun, being healthy is too:p

No jealousy here! Winning is fun, but more fun when you beat somebody. Do you not think the Breathitt win would have been more fun than Pineville. Do you not think beating Harlan Co will be more fun and something to talk about and look back on than beating Berea or Phelps. The kids should be proud of their offense they have a great ground game. They should be more proud of their defense holding Breathitt to 0 points, something Johnson Central, Prestonsburg or anyone else on their schedule has not been able to do. That is something to brag about or be proud of IMO.

[thecavemaster]

First off; nothing has been said about Estill's team being an embarrassment from myself. I have said the schedule is. I did not say coach Jones doesn't work hard, the proof is in the pudding, look at the kids they are mules. But I can say due to the way practice used to be and the schedules "I" think it better prepares you for the playoffs. And for that matter coach Jones used to be one of those players who went through the course of practice and tough scheduling and was ****good at it. So don't push this as a personal thing, it's not. The schedule is what it is and not one.......one team other than Breathitt could have a fighting chance against this team. Had the game been at Estill, Estill would have won JMO. As long as the truth is being spoken, then deal with it, that is what you do as a man/coach. Is any of this disputed?

What? I didn't suggest it was a personal thing. As I remember it, though, when games were played where the elementary school is now, Berea was on the schedule. I don't dispute anything you say above. Isn't it true, also, that players from the past often begrudge success in the present?