[NIECE]

This fella' is not an Engineers fan.

No, and probably won't be happy after Friday night.

[ecqb8]

I can't wait for this game! The drive is going to be rough, but i have a feeling it'll be worth it. Hopefully, Harlan is as good as everyone is talking about so they can make a game out of it. Unfortunately, I think Estill wins this game easily. They haven't had much trouble stopping the run this year and it seems like that's Harlan's strong point. I'll be surprised if Harlan can figure out a way to stop the double wing...

[thecavemaster]

As a footnote to previous post: the word "embarrassment" was used. As I look at KHSAA, look at scores, opponents across the board, many teams schedule "breathers" as a strategy regarding district play. I suspect this has pretty much always been the case.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

Please, let's try to remain civil and stick to the thread topic. Too much is being put into predictions. It boils down to who executes the best and makes the fewest mistakes on that night. Whether it be Harlan Co. or it be Estill. Both teams are evenly matched and it should be a good one. With the weather man calling for rain, it could boil down to who has the fewest turnovers. Harlan has a good team with great speed in the backfield and good size and skill up front. Estill is not that bad either. Good luck to both teams.

[NIECE]

And I'm sure that if this site existed when"He" played there would former "pretty good has beens" complaining about that schedule. There is no way that you can say that this guy is supportive of the program. What does he do for it other than *****. Be proud of the team now and what direction it is going in and not jealous. We are proud of our past and bring that pride with us every friday night.:dontthink

I just don't see the jealousy. I see people expressing their opinions about beating good teams. I can promise the only complaining about the schedule back then was why do we have to play week in and week out the best teams that could be scheduled.

[thecavemaster]

Please, let's try to remain civil and stick to the thread topic. Too much is being put into predictions. It boils down to who executes the best and makes the fewest mistakes on that night. Whether it be Harlan Co. or it be Estill. Both teams are evenly matched and it should be a good one. With the weather man calling for rain, it could boil down to who has the fewest turnovers. Harlan has a good team with great speed in the backfield and good size and skill up front. Estill is not that bad either. Good luck to both teams.

To a degree, you are being civil while being critical. "Harlan has the speed of a thousand chariots and the good size of the Titans. Oh, yea, Estill is not that bad." Interesting.

[NIECE]

As a footnote to previous post: the word "embarrassment" was used. As I look at KHSAA, look at scores, opponents across the board, many teams schedule "breathers" as a strategy regarding district play. I suspect this has pretty much always been the case.

This is true, but not 6! That is where the complaining comes from IMO. 1 maybe 2 at the most.

[NIECE]

Please, let's try to remain civil and stick to the thread topic. Too much is being put into predictions. It boils down to who executes the best and makes the fewest mistakes on that night. Whether it be Harlan Co. or it be Estill. Both teams are evenly matched and it should be a good one. With the weather man calling for rain, it could boil down to who has the fewest turnovers. Harlan has a good team with great speed in the backfield and good size and skill up front. Estill is not that bad either. Good luck to both teams.

Agree with staying civil and the truth is civil I think. I have to disagree with both teams being even, I think Estill has the better team/talent. I had a coach tell me that played Estill that this was the best offensive line he has ever seen. Pretty good compliment I thought.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

To a degree, you are being civil while being critical. "Harlan has the speed of a thousand chariots and the good size of the Titans. Oh, yea, Estill is not that bad." Interesting.

Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. As I stated earlier these two teams are pretty evenly matched. Estill and Harlan are both quality teams.

[NIECE]

Why are you so negative to everyone on here. When you were coaching against Estill you couldn't stop it, must not be not much of a gimmick. I cant help that you are not a very successful coach and want to take it out on everybody else.:moon:

I assume you are targeting me. You need to get your facts straight. Whitaker runs the defense and offense ole' buddy. Now, had I been able to do what I wanted I would still be working for free, because I love the game and kids. As far as not being successful, you must not be from around here or been here long. BTW you will know when I post, I don't hide behind a screen name. :moon:

[BB CLAW]

I agree BlackBearDenMother, bobcatfan22 has lost his mind. Why would you say that,DESERVE, you gotta be kidding me. And, who is whining about the Powell game, Powell had a 5 minute spurt where the ball bounced their way, trick play, and we fumbled too deep in Powell territory. That, along with expected home field advantage bad calls. This all in a 5 minute spurt coming out of the half. The Bears took control defensively and stopped all Powell advances from that point on, even pushing them back to their goalline in several series. This could've been a blowout, but wasn't, and I don't and haven't heard whining. And my hat went out to Powell for coming out after the half with a little fire. I was devastated after the Breathitt game though and rightfully so, because I know the Bears didn't show up and they can play with and beat Breathitt.IMO. Thats water under the bridge. The Bears move on and continue to play their biggest game of the year each Friday Night. GO BLACK BEARS!!!!!!:Thumbs:

[Mama Bear]

WOW! Alot going on in this thread. Eventualy we need to get back to talking about the upcoming game. But first.....

As a 5a team, they shouldnt have got beaten by 40 to a Breathitt team that isnt as good as they are in the past. I give it to Harlan, they have a good team, theyre just not as good as you people are making them out to be. I cant wait till next year when all these 5a teams start giving you them beatings you deserve. When and I said WHEN Estill stomps you guys, I dont want to hear the whining how your boys played another bad game like you did against Powell. Powell came out and played hard against you guys and you cant stand that a team that you predicted to beat by 40+ played you guys within 11 points that came off special teams. My point is made!

Come on back here Bobcatfan22, we are playing Estill Co. Friday and we were all counting on your extensive football knowledge to get our team to "where it needs to be". I don't want to talk about a team that we beat two weeks ago. That game was settled despite Powell's attempts to not play us. I'm concerned with the big district match up between Estill and Harlan County. PLEASE! Enlighten us some more on what we can do??? This is an important game and we need your help. Our team is lacking in something to get some of the negative comments we have gotten from you. Maybe Thursday night you could come down and give Coach Tom Larkey some good advice.

As nice as it would be to see an upset for the boys of Powell, my guess is that you really will be a bobcat fan come Friday.

As for me, I'm a Black Bear fan and am looking forward to a great game against Estill and am hoping for a win. The young men from Harlan County and the young men from Estill both DESERVE their chance to settle it on the field. Your team had their chance.

[sc06cheer]

Beatings we "DESERVE"!!!....why don't you go crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from!!! Why would you say the beatings we "DESERVE". Our boys come out to practice every day in the heat, rain, cold, whatever...just like every other team does to try to make themselves the best football team they can be, so that comment chaps my behind JUST a tad! You are right, we should not have gotten beaten 40 points by Breathitt, but you know that old saying s_ _ t happens and we've moved on from it.

GO BEARS AND SHOW THEM ALL WHAT YOU'VE GOT (especially this horse's butt)!!! :redboxer: :redboxer: :redboxer:

you are wasting your breath with this one, believe you me!

[sc06cheer]

WOW! Alot going on in this thread. Eventualy we need to get back to talking about the upcoming game. But first.....





Come on back here Bobcatfan22, we are playing Estill Co. Friday and we were all counting on your extensive football knowledge to get our team to "where it needs to be". I don't want to talk about a team that we beat two weeks ago. That game was settled despite Powell's attempts to not play us. I'm concerned with the big district match up between Estill and Harlan County. PLEASE! Enlighten us some more on what we can do??? This is an important game and we need your help. Our team is lacking in something to get some of the negative comments we have gotten from you. Maybe Thursday night you could come down and give Coach Tom Larkey some good advice.

As nice as it would be to see an upset for the boys of Powell, my guess is that you really will be a bobcat fan come Friday.

As for me, I'm a Black Bear fan and am looking forward to a great game against Estill and am hoping for a win. The young men from Harlan County and the young men from Estill both DESERVE their chance to settle it on the field. Your team had their chance.

Perfectly said Mama! Maybe he needs to be on Tom Larkey Show before the game??

[thecavemaster]

If a past player does not want his former team to be successful then they are a piece of **** in my opinion. Berea was on the schedule, I remember watching a 16mm film of Robbie Wiseman in that game, but do you know they went pretty far in the playoffs back then. As far as begrudging, that would take a dumb***.

I am not saying they don't want them to be successful. I am saying that there is something within human nature that looks back, has a sort of "back in the day" nostalgia, and tends to think things were better back then. I don't remember us going deep into the playoffs. I remember two tough losses to Lincoln Co. The earlier where Robbie Wiseman hurt his knee on a questionable hit on the sideline. The other where we led 19-0 at the half and got beat 20-19.

[sc06cheer]

On a happier note...

Congrats to Nathaniel Gilliam for being named WYMT Player Of The Week
He's also up for Army Iron Man Award, voting stays up till tomorrow at 8 and according it it, you can vote every hour, I personally think he deserves it, so if you'd like to vote for him go to this website:

http://www.thesportsflash.com/USArmyIronMan-KY then click on the "vote for Army Iron Man of the week"

[Dr. Truth]

I've been sitting back reading these messages for days, months, years, but never have got involved. It's funny how you can read peoples messages thru out the years and they are always negative and the others for the most part are always positive. Negativity seems to follow some of these people on here which is like a cancer and seems to spread thru out the page. I like what the one guy said when he said it's about the kids and they do get on here and read these messages all the time and when somebody says, "We are not talking about the kids, we are talking about the coaches and AD". Well my friend a football player and his coaches are one and when your bashing one you are doing it to the team. A great man and coach I new once named Hoover Niece tault his players and coaching staff and water boy that they were one. Listen, sometimes we don't like coaches or we don't like how they coach, but for the kids sake and for the unity of the team (coaches, players) let's lift them up and when the season is over you go apply for his coaching job or try to get somebody else to do it. Kids come first, period. They read these messages and loose faith in their coaches and think the whole season is a waste and they haven't accomplished nothing because people on here say they have been playing the school of the blind, and when they do come up against good competition later in the season, they might believe what you have posted on here about their team. I've played football half of my life and been around it my whole life and know just a little about it, but my focus is on supporting these kids. I ask all of you to go out and support whoever your team is and lift these kids up, talk to your friends about the coaches you don't like and how you think they stink, but don't do it in front of kids, especially one that's on that team. Good luck to the Engineers this season and most of all to you players, have faith in your ability and your coaches, but most of all, PLAY YOUR GUTS OUT EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT, LEAVE EVERYTHING OUT ON THE FEILD AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANY REGRETS.

Is that right? First, Estill's former coaches which coached with Coach Niece do not coach because they choose not too, mainly because of the style and embarrassment of the schedule. Second, no one on here has said anything bad about the kids here in Estill. Third, we did not play PHELPS, BEREA, KNOTT CO AND ANYONE ELSE WITH A LOSING RECORD THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS before the contracts were up. Fourth, winning nine games against these people is NOT SUCCESSFUL period... Fifth, we have never been known to drop anyone on our schedule until the recent past: Bellevue (which we scheduled when they were 2-8 or somewhere in that area) after they kicked our butts (not the kids fault, the talent is here), Rockastle, Garrard, Madison Southern, Johnson Central, just a few off the top of my head. We didn't run from ANYONE, they may have beat us on the score board, which was not often, but they new they had been in a fight and we can still today be proud of what we did. Sixth, you are not doing the kids justice by playing these people, for when they do play someone decent they are not prepared (not their fault, nothing here is being said about the kids if you get the point). I am tired of counting! It seems the people have amnesia around here that think they know anything about football. Let me give you some out of district competition that used to be scheduled: Breathitt, Johnson Central, Clay Co, Hazard, Prestonsburg, Pikeville, and BY *** we played! Something to be proud of! Not 10-2 playing cupcakes as alum43 says and getting killed by good teams, first or second round of districts. I don't remember a coach coffee so I can't callout nor would I our alumn43. I can say alumn43 has only spoken the truth and he has said nothing bad about our kids so please refrain from moranic activity on here and that embarrasses yourselves more. Bottom line, I know how scheduling goes and you don't have to play "CUPCAKES". The AD and Head Coach do this, and I can promise you there is better teams to play than what has been scheduled. Let me leave you football experts with this: Louisville Central was 5-5 going into the playoffs last year and won the STATE, you think anyone remembers those five losses. Their coach prepared them by playing a very tough schedule and doing what it takes. As a coach you CAN tell folks like Berea, if they call, no I am sorry we are not going to play and instead find a quality opponent. Too many younger coaches these days are worried about their win totals and I have personally heard some say they will travel anywhere for a win (not necesarrily here either). I will leave you with this: We do have fans who care, especially from the old school and it is an embarrassment to see who we are playing and how we have been whipped by good teams we have played (THIS TOO is not about the kids, but it is the TRUTH). Try to lose some of the amnesia and open your eyes and think back to ESTILL CO FOOTBALL! A FAN THAT CARES!

[Dr. Truth]

I assume you are targeting me. You need to get your facts straight. Whitaker runs the defense and offense ole' buddy. Now, had I been able to do what I wanted I would still be working for free, because I love the game and kids. As far as not being successful, you must not be from around here or been here long. BTW you will know when I post, I don't hide behind a screen name. :moon:

It's all about the kids :-)

[Dr. Truth]

:o Estill has had some good talent in the past and also recently, but they are far from loaded with great talent, I've watched them over the years and this year they are strong up front and very physical and also have hard running backs. The kids seem to play hard and that's what we want and all we can ask for. I think friday night will be a muddy night and whoever has the fewest mistakes will be the winner. Good luck to Coach Jones and his team.

Agree with staying civil and the truth is civil I think. I have to disagree with both teams being even, I think Estill has the better team/talent. I had a coach tell me that played Estill that this was the best offensive line he has ever seen. Pretty good compliment I thought.

[NIECE]

I am not saying they don't want them to be successful. I am saying that there is something within human nature that looks back, has a sort of "back in the day" nostalgia, and tends to think things were better back then. I don't remember us going deep into the playoffs. I remember two tough losses to Lincoln Co. The earlier where Robbie Wiseman hurt his knee on a questionable hit on the sideline. The other where we led 19-0 at the half and got beat 20-19.

I remember the two well. Had we won either of those we would have been deep into the playoffs. The playoff picture is different now, KHSAA has made it so almost every team in the state goes. Back then 1 team went out of the subdistrict which Estill did and the rest stayed home. I bet the years you are talking about had pretty tough schedules and there was success. But times have changed I understand. For example, Morgan Co will be 0-10 and have to go to Newport Catholic this year, tell me this is not just for money. I know things were tougher back then and you can ask anyone who played, people did not enjoy practice, no water, etc. When Robbie got hurt, we still about won and we were in the playoffs because we had won the subdistrict. The farthest we have been since is 2nd round losing to Danville 14-0 and last year lost the district championship to Breathitt. Some people may have the "back in the day" thing, that is their deal, not mine.

[DaBears]

I've been sitting back reading these messages for days, months, years, but never have got involved. It's funny how you can read peoples messages thru out the years and they are always negative and the others for the most part are always positive. Negativity seems to follow some of these people on here which is like a cancer and seems to spread thru out the page. I like what the one guy said when he said it's about the kids and they do get on here and read these messages all the time and when somebody says, "We are not talking about the kids, we are talking about the coaches and AD". Well my friend a football player and his coaches are one and when your bashing one you are doing it to the team. A great man and coach I new once named Hoover Niece tault his players and coaching staff and water boy that they were one. Listen, sometimes we don't like coaches or we don't like how they coach, but for the kids sake and for the unity of the team (coaches, players) let's lift them up and when the season is over you go apply for his coaching job or try to get somebody else to do it. Kids come first, period. They read these messages and loose faith in their coaches and think the whole season is a waste and they haven't accomplished nothing because people on here say they have been playing the school of the blind, and when they do come up against good competition later in the season, they might believe what you have posted on here about their team. I've played football half of my life and been around it my whole life and know just a little about it, but my focus is on supporting these kids. I ask all of you to go out and support whoever your team is and lift these kids up, talk to your friends about the coaches you don't like and how you think they stink, but don't do it in front of kids, especially one that's on that team. Good luck to the Engineers this season and most of all to you players, have faith in your ability and your coaches, but most of all, PLAY YOUR GUTS OUT EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT, LEAVE EVERYTHING OUT ON THE FEILD AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANY REGRETS.

WELL SAID :Thumbs:

[NIECE]

It's all about the kids :-)

That is why coaches should keep their kids off here. Why would a coach want to read this anyway. 80% of people on here don't know much about football anyway. I have to disagree about the talent, Estill is loaded IMO.

[Big Ed]

Estill wins this one easily. Estill is as good as Breathitt. I know Harlan has big hopes because they beat Middlesboro, but Middlesboro is down this year. Estill 46 Harlan 24

[OldHasBeenOfEstill]

That is why coaches should keep their kids off here. Why would a coach want to read this anyway. 80% of people on here don't know much about football anyway. I have to disagree about the talent, Estill is loaded IMO.

Well said. I have always said you were a pretty smart fella!

[OldHasBeenOfEstill]

I remember the two well. Had we won either of those we would have been deep into the playoffs. The playoff picture is different now, KHSAA has made it so almost every team in the state goes. Back then 1 team went out of the subdistrict which Estill did and the rest stayed home. I bet the years you are talking about had pretty tough schedules and there was success. But times have changed I understand. For example, Morgan Co will be 0-10 and have to go to Newport Catholic this year, tell me this is not just for money. I know things were tougher back then and you can ask anyone who played, people did not enjoy practice, no water, etc. When Robbie got hurt, we still about won and we were in the playoffs because we had won the subdistrict. The farthest we have been since is 2nd round losing to Danville 14-0 and last year lost the district championship to Breathitt. Some people may have the "back in the day" thing, that is their deal, not mine.

It seems like money not only makes the world go round nowadays, it also controls sports.

[MR. NOBODY]

I assume you are targeting me. You need to get your facts straight. Whitaker runs the defense and offense ole' buddy. Now, had I been able to do what I wanted I would still be working for free, because I love the game and kids. As far as not being successful, you must not be from around here or been here long. BTW you will know when I post, I don't hide behind a screen name. :moon:

Chill out i wasnt talking about you. If you looked at the post I was talking FNL.

[MR. NOBODY]

WOW! Alot going on in this thread. Eventualy we need to get back to talking about the upcoming game. But first.....





Come on back here Bobcatfan22, we are playing Estill Co. Friday and we were all counting on your extensive football knowledge to get our team to "where it needs to be". I don't want to talk about a team that we beat two weeks ago. That game was settled despite Powell's attempts to not play us. I'm concerned with the big district match up between Estill and Harlan County. PLEASE! Enlighten us some more on what we can do??? This is an important game and we need your help. Our team is lacking in something to get some of the negative comments we have gotten from you. Maybe Thursday night you could come down and give Coach Tom Larkey some good advice.

As nice as it would be to see an upset for the boys of Powell, my guess is that you really will be a bobcat fan come Friday.

As for me, I'm a Black Bear fan and am looking forward to a great game against Estill and am hoping for a win. The young men from Harlan County and the young men from Estill both DESERVE their chance to settle it on the field. Your team had their chance.

Nicley said Mama Bear:Thumbs:

[NIECE]

Chill out i wasnt talking about you. If you looked at the post I was talking FNL.

My bad! :o

[NIECE]

It seems like money not only makes the world go round nowadays, it also controls sports.

That is the truth. How can you let St. X and Trinity come out of different ends of the state (one east and the other west) when they are both in Louisville. Answer: 38000+ at Cardinal stadium to see the 6A championship game multiply that by $10 per person, ridiculous!

[NIECE]

Well said. I have always said you were a pretty smart fella!

Thanks! :igiveup: