[Stardust]

I don't believe in god and i live perfectly happy and fine. Us non-believers Agnostic,Atheist alike aren't miserable most of us like science so that's where we get our enjoyment learning new things. and spending times with the ones we love we don't dwell on dieing. We're not afraid of dieing because we all know it's coming.

About the after life. If i die and i come before the Christian god. i'll admit i was wrong.

My prayers for your sake if that were to happen :worthy:

[Deathstar 80]

I don't believe in god and i live perfectly happy and fine. Us non-believers Agnostic,Atheist alike aren't miserable most of us like science so that's where we get our enjoyment learning new things. and spending times with the ones we love we don't dwell on dieing. We're not afraid of dieing because we all know it's coming.

About the after life. If i die and i come before the Christian god. i'll admit i was wrong.

I'm glad you live happy, and I hope you do for the rest of your life. I'm just saying I'd be in a bad position in life if I didn't have God. The reason why I want you to become saved is because, the same as God's, I don't want you to go to a place where you'd be in pain for eternity. You won't go through that pain just for a few years, you'll suffer there for eternity.

I would've mentioned the place of eternal suffering if it didn't block it out. Yet, I'm sure you know the place I'm talking about.

[allseasonfan]

My prayers for your sake if that were to happen :worthy:

AMEN!!

[sherman14]

because when i prayed they never got answered. When i was in need (for whatever reason) he wasn't there for me...so i came to the conclusion he either doesn't exist or just doesn't care

Billy Joe Jim Jack could pray for a million dollars. That doesn't mean he'll get it. Thats a cop-out Josh and you know it.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Billy Joe Jim Jack could pray for a million dollars. That doesn't mean he'll get it. Thats a cop-out Josh and you know it.

OK I'll put it in better words. i just felt he was not there. How's it a cop-out? If

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Billy Joe Jim Jack could pray for a million dollars. That doesn't mean he'll get it. Thats a cop-out Josh and you know it.

i never prayed for money sherman. i prayed for diffrent things but not material things.

[sherman14]

i never prayed for money sherman. i prayed for diffrent things but not material things.

Still doesn't mean you will have it answered as soon as its sent up.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Still doesn't mean you will have it answered as soon as its sent up.

idk what to say

[sherman14]

well god should have high-speed internet

And you shouldn't be a ****

[thecavemaster]

Billy Joe Jim Jack could pray for a million dollars. That doesn't mean he'll get it. Thats a cop-out Josh and you know it.

If you are suggesting that a little boy could pray and pray for his Dad to not die of cancer but no answer came and the Dad died... so that little boy concluded something about god's relevance or existence... That's a cop out? You guys know something: you all seem to claim all this intense knowledge of "god" yet you often show such little understanding of human beings, human nature, human frailty. Frankly, the two cannot go together. To have lack in understanding of the one simply suggests deeply inadequate knowledge of the other.

[Deathstar 80]

because when i prayed they never got answered. When i was in need (for whatever reason) he wasn't there for me...so i came to the conclusion he either doesn't exist or just doesn't care

Atheists such as you should know to not believe in things because of how you feel. I've felt like God wasn't beside me in hard times of my life. Does that mean he wasn't there? Not at all. As a matter of fact, those hard times where I fought the thought of God not being there for me helped me grow closer to God and solved my troubles in the end. It's a great result, you just have to keep believing God's with you, and you'll get the same GREAT result.

Just wanted to add a side note, I guess you could call it. A fellow christian from my church said today how she believed God didn't answer prayers because it would be boring if he did answer all prayers. They've got a point. She continued saying how if she received everything she wanted, eventually she would expect God to give her things rather than her serving for him. God doesn't want us to look at him as a "genie", he wants us to look at him as a father or mother. One who knows best for us.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Atheists such as you should know to not believe in things because of how you feel. I've felt like God wasn't beside me in hard times of my life. Does that mean he wasn't there? Not at all. As a matter of fact, those hard times where I fought the thought of God not being there for me helped me grow closer to God and solved my troubles in the end. It's a great result, you just have to keep believing God's with you, and you'll get the same GREAT result.

Just wanted to add a side note, I guess you could call it. A fellow christian from my church said today how she believed God didn't answer prayers because it would be boring if he did answer all prayers. They've got a point. She continued saying how if she received everything she wanted, eventually she would expect God to give her things rather than her serving for him. God doesn't want us to look at him as a "genie", he wants us to look at him as a father or mother. One who knows best for us.

Well people become atheist because they feel nothing because believers all the time claim to feel god.

[sherman14]

If you are suggesting that a little boy could pray and pray for his Dad to not die of cancer but no answer came and the Dad died... so that little boy concluded something about god's relevance or existence... That's a cop out? You guys know something: you all seem to claim all this intense knowledge of "god" yet you often show such little understanding of human beings, human nature, human frailty. Frankly, the two cannot go together. To have lack in understanding of the one simply suggests deeply inadequate knowledge of the other.

What I'm saying is jut because you pray for something doesn't that you will get it. Or that you need it. God may have something else in store.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

What I'm saying is jut because you pray for something doesn't that you will get it. Or that you need it. God may have something else in store.

What's the use of praying if god is going to do what he wants anyway. As you said he always gets his way

[Matman]

If you are suggesting that a little boy could pray and pray for his Dad to not die of cancer but no answer came and the Dad died... so that little boy concluded something about god's relevance or existence... That's a cop out? You guys know something: you all seem to claim all this intense knowledge of "god" yet you often show such little understanding of human beings, human nature, human frailty. Frankly, the two cannot go together. To have lack in understanding of the one simply suggests deeply inadequate knowledge of the other.

I was the little boy who prayed and prayed for his father not to die from cancer. It didn't work. He died. I then prayed and prayed for my mother to not die of cancer. It did not work. She died. However instead of thinking that god doesn't exist or doesn't care i thought about it on a larger scale. Rather than saying poor me. I thought about my parents. I said wow my father had a miserable last couple of years but wow what he must be feeling now. He no longer has to worry about the things we worry about here on earth. He no longer has to feel the pain we feel. They are now in heaven with god and that is alot better place to be than here. Instead of concluding that god didn't answer my prayers i concluded god knows better than I do. Maybe this life isn't that important.

[fanatic11]

What's the use of praying if god is going to do what he wants anyway. As you said he always gets his way

Praying isnt all about asking for something that you want. We need to pray to give thanks to God. We can ask him for things but we are supposed to ask that these things happen within God's plan for us, and that is the only way we are supposed to ask for things to happen. So if we want something we should pray that it happens the way God wants it to.

[thecavemaster]

I was the little boy who prayed and prayed for his father not to die from cancer. It didn't work. He died. I then prayed and prayed for my mother to not die of cancer. It did not work. She died. However instead of thinking that god doesn't exist or doesn't care i thought about it on a larger scale. Rather than saying poor me. I thought about my parents. I said wow my father had a miserable last couple of years but wow what he must be feeling now. He no longer has to worry about the things we worry about here on earth. He no longer has to feel the pain we feel. They are now in heaven with god and that is alot better place to be than here. Instead of concluding that god didn't answer my prayers i concluded god knows better than I do. Maybe this life isn't that important.

I am sorry for your loss. One man's experience is just that: one man's experience. I can't see that it settles much of anything. Looking out a window and seeing a white horse doesn't, of course, mean that all horses are white.

[Matman]

I am sorry for your loss. One man's experience is just that: one man's experience. I can't see that it settles much of anything. Looking out a window and seeing a white horse doesn't, of course, mean that all horses are white.

Thats not anything close to the point i was making. One mans experience is his own. Some people look at the same picture and see two faces some look and see a vase. How ever the point to my post was that if all we want from God is self serving than yes you will be disappointed in my opinion. Some times we have to think of the bigger picture. Some times we must realize that maybe we aren't as important as we think we are. Like i said too. My loss is just that mine. Looking at the bigger picture is there anything to be sad about. My dad and mother suffered for years. Am i sad because they died or am i sad because they are gone from my life and i will miss them. Its some what selfish to be sad at a funeral. Sometimes not always. But usually we greive because of our loss not the departed. The way i see it is their in heaven now why feel sorry for them.

[Deathstar 80]

Well people become atheist because they feel nothing because believers all the time claim to feel god.

I'm not sure what you mean about how believers claim to "feel God". I'm not criticizing you or anything, I just don't understand what exactly you mean. Sometimes I feel happy with God, is that what you're talking about? I personally don't get to "feel God". I just read the bible and do and believe whatever it says.

There are preachers who jump around and talk about how they're in the Holy Spirit. If this is what you're talking about, then I think they just misunderstand the bible, and replace logic with emotions. I know the Holy Spirit exists, but I'm not sure if those preachers are really in the "Holy Spirit". I think they're just saying whatever they want to say based on their present emotions, not based on the Holy Spirit.

To my fellow believers, please correct me if I'm wrong with anything. Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding some things about the Holy Spirit.

(By the way, good posts Matman.)

[Kentucky_Liberal]

I'm not sure what you mean about how believers claim to "feel God". I'm not criticizing you or anything, I just don't understand what exactly you mean. Sometimes I feel happy with God, is that what you're talking about? I personally don't get to "feel God". I just read the bible and do and believe whatever it says.

There are preachers who jump around and talk about how they're in the Holy Spirit. If this is what you're talking about, then I think they just misunderstand the bible, and replace logic with emotions. I know the Holy Spirit exists, but I'm not sure if those preachers are really in the "Holy Spirit". I think they're just saying whatever they want to say based on their present emotions, not based on the Holy Spirit.

To my fellow believers, please correct me if I'm wrong with anything. Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding some things about the Holy Spirit.

(By the way, good posts Matman.)

I understand you weren't critizeing me . What i meant was like messages (of some sort) or feeling a presence

[thecavemaster]

Thats not anything close to the point i was making. One mans experience is his own. Some people look at the same picture and see two faces some look and see a vase. How ever the point to my post was that if all we want from God is self serving than yes you will be disappointed in my opinion. Some times we have to think of the bigger picture. Some times we must realize that maybe we aren't as important as we think we are. Like i said too. My loss is just that mine. Looking at the bigger picture is there anything to be sad about. My dad and mother suffered for years. Am i sad because they died or am i sad because they are gone from my life and i will miss them. Its some what selfish to be sad at a funeral. Sometimes not always. But usually we greive because of our loss not the departed. The way i see it is their in heaven now why feel sorry for them.

A parent of a teenager who is in an emergency room clinging to life from a car wreck... is that parent being self-serving to pray for that child's survival, to be angry and confused when he or she doesn't? Wouldn't it be somewhat human to question in that instance? I don't think it is selfish to feel sad at a funeral. What about Lazarus? Jesus looked upon all the mourners, thought about his friend Lazarus. Then comes the shortest verse in the BIble: "Jesus wept."

[Matman]

A parent of a teenager who is in an emergency room clinging to life from a car wreck... is that parent being self-serving to pray for that child's survival, to be angry and confused when he or she doesn't? Wouldn't it be somewhat human to question in that instance? I don't think it is selfish to feel sad at a funeral. What about Lazarus? Jesus looked upon all the mourners, thought about his friend Lazarus. Then comes the shortest verse in the BIble: "Jesus wept."

That is the reason i put sometimes not always. Did Jesus mourn the loss of Lazarus or did he mourn for the mourners. When a parent dies I feel for young children and pray they will have positive influences in their life to help them grow and learn. I pray they won't become bitter. When a child dies it is the hardest thing in life. I do not pretend to have all the answers unlike some. I don't have alot of clever sayings. I do have alot of experience in my short life though. I can tell you one thing though. Alot of things are "human". Not all things human are good. As far as i know we are the only beings on this planet to exhibit true spite, scientifically speaking. I often wonder if that is what some aethiest truly believe. They don't get everything they ask for from God so they decide to disbelieve just to spite.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

I don't believe anything. I hate when people just assusme I'm an atheist because of rebellion. I'm not. I also don't claim to Know everything though some atheist and or freethinkers are Intellectually snobbish so i understand what your saying.

[Matman]

I don't believe anything. I hate when people just assusme I'm an atheist because of rebellion. I'm not. I also don't claim to Know everything though some atheist and or freethinkers are Intellectually snobbish so i understand what your saying.

I wasn't talking about you. Not even close. You do seem to be self centered. We all are though. But you stated you prayed and God didn't answer. How do you know God didn't listen. You automatically assumed i was talking about you when I mentioned atheist. I wasn't. Everything isn't about you. But i do agree. Atheist do have a bad rep when it comes to be intellectual snobs. I deffinately wasn't talking about you knowing everthing. That was a small jab at the one who always has the most clever answers that don't answer anything.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

I wasn't talking about you. Not even close. You do seem to be self centered. We all are though. But you stated you prayed and God didn't answer. How do you know God didn't listen. You automatically assumed i was talking about you when I mentioned atheist. I wasn't. Everything isn't about you. But i do agree. Atheist do have a bad rep when it comes to be intellectual snobs. I deffinately wasn't talking about you knowing everthing. That was a small jab at the one who always has the most clever answers that don't answer anything.

Well there's not many atheists on here so well that's why i assume it's me....how exactly am i self-centered? i mean j/w i don't want to argue lol. I know everything isn't about me i'm not two but like i said one of a handful of non-religious people. i knew you were talking about "The who has the most clever answers". This is what made me think you were talking about me,

"As Far as i know we are the only beings on this planet to exhibit true spite, scientifically speaking. I often wonder if that is what some aethiest truly believe. They don't get everything they ask from god so they decide to disbelieve just to spite"

Sorry about our misunderstanding

[Matman]

Well there's not many atheists on here so well that's why i assume it's me....how exactly am i self-centered? i mean j/w i don't want to argue lol. I know everything isn't about me i'm not two but like i said one of a handful of non-religious people. i knew you were talking about "The who has the most clever answers". This is what made me think you were talking about me,

"As Far as i know we are the only beings on this planet to exhibit true spite, scientifically speaking. I often wonder if that is what some aethiest truly believe. They don't get everything they ask from god so they decide to disbelieve just to spite"

Sorry about our misunderstanding

Thats ok. Yeah i could see where you thought i was referring to you. But really thats just something i have thought about in the past. I have several freinds that are agnostic. I have been close at times in my life. I have doubted everything at one time or another. But the old saying is that there are no atheist in fox holes. I didn't find God while at war though. He found me. Then when i started examining my life i notice he was there the whole time.

[Mr.Kimball]

I wasn't talking about you. Not even close. You do seem to be self centered. We all are though. But you stated you prayed and God didn't answer. How do you know God didn't listen. You automatically assumed i was talking about you when I mentioned atheist. I wasn't. Everything isn't about you. But i do agree. Atheist do have a bad rep when it comes to be intellectual snobs. I deffinately wasn't talking about you knowing everthing. That was a small jab at the one who always has the most clever answers that don't answer anything.

And you noticed, and can see through that too, huh? When we really cant answer the question and dont know how to come back we can always just throw in a bunch of big words here and there, come up with and try to camoflague a response with some complicated sounding mumbo jumbo, and we just might be able to pull off faking our way through this.

Good post!!!

[Mr.Mister]

...right distance away from the sun to support life had genetic material for life, was tilted at an angle to keep the seasons regular and to keep temperatures livable because, if there was no tilt, I believe only about half of the world surface would be livable due to extreme climates, believe there is a God."

But it was made by God, so what should it matter? Why does exactly it needed to be tilted to sustain life?

[Aslan]

I don't believe anything. I hate when people just assusme I'm an atheist because of rebellion. I'm not. I also don't claim to Know everything though some atheist and or freethinkers are Intellectually snobbish so i understand what your saying.

Jesus was a rebel.

[fanatic11]

Jesus was a rebel.

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