[cougarpride08]

In God we trust is on our currency. They didn't put it on there for looks, it there for a reason. When they sign the DOI, they prayed before they signed.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

The Constitution was also written by Christian believers who believed that God allowed them to be where they were at.

Not all were the main founding fathers for the most part were deists. don't believe me. Prove me wrong but with eviendence and links

[Kentucky_Liberal]

In God we trust is on our currency. They didn't put it on there for looks, it there for a reason. When they sign the DOI, they prayed before they signed.

That wasn't on there until 1956.

That doesn't mean they were talking about a specific god

Maybe so but our constitution and bill of rights was/is entirely secular

[Kentucky_Liberal]

All you have to do is just look around, He shows himself in so many ways, I hope someday you realize that!!!

Yeah sorry. All i can see when i look around is hunger and addiction. I see beauty but not by god but by nature.

[lil dog]

Yeah sorry. All i can see when i look around is hunger and addiction. I see beauty but not by god but by nature.

Yeah, unfortunately there is hunger and addiction. God gives all of us a free will to live our life the way we choose, so some choose to do things that are evil, a lot of times the addictions to whatever it is leads to innocent children going hungry, or with no clothes, or other unspeakable things that happen to people, I wish it wasn't so but it is ..But there are also good people in the world, and not necessarily people that profess to be christians.. I know you are young and hopefully something will change your mind someday that there is a god, try to focus on the good in the world, I know its hard to do but just try!!

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Yeah, unfortunately there is hunger and addiction. God gives all of us a free will to live our life the way we choose, so some choose to do things that are evil, a lot of times the addictions to whatever it is leads to innocent children going hungry, or with no clothes, or other unspeakable things that happen to people, I wish it wasn't so but it is ..But there are also good people in the world, and not necessarily people that profess to be Christians.. I know you are young and hopefully something will change your mind someday that there is a god, try to focus on the good in the world, I know its hard to do but just try!!

Then really what's the use of being Omniscient. If your going to let bad things happen.
The point i was trying to make when i said that was that saying, "Lookn Around You God Is Everywhere" is a bad "Proof" of god because of all the bad things happening. I am one of those people that do god that don't profess to be christian. I give blood everytime i can because i know i could save six babies or 3 people. I won't believe in god when i get older because i'm not doing this to rebel against my parents or "their" religion. I feel the way i feel because of my own thinking. Not what someone has told which was what i was doing when i was "christian" :biggrin:

[TidesHoss32]

Yes your young and I can see and understand some of what you are saying..but have you ever been in a life or death situation? To where nothing human can save you? To where it is indeed a miracle that you survived? Im not pushing my beliefs on you, but I promise you, that if you are ever in a situation like I was in, then you will believe in the miracles He performs. Dude, Ive read your posts on here, and you seem to be a well educated, smart young fella, but I was crushed against a mine roof, fitting a large body into what is roughly 12 inches on top of the machine I got pulled on, to the roof I was crushed against. The force was so hard that it snapped my leather mining belt in half. My hardhat was disintegrated, and my head was dragging the roof for about 15 feet. If that roof was an inch lower, I wouldnt be here today. I broke three vertabraes, and crushed one too fine to repair, I broke 4 ribs, shattering 2, broke my pelvis, tore the meniscus in my knee, broke my big toe because I wear a size 15 boot, and the way my foot was positioned on the battery pack, it bent the steel toe on top of it and broke it. And I had a chunk taken out of my head. After that ride, I fell into a water hole two feet deep, filled with loose crib blocks (wooded blocks). I lost the feeling in my legs for about 4 to 5 minutes, and I couldnt hardly lift my head, and I was worried I was gonna drown. I had never prayed for God to help me so hard in all my life. I couldnt pull myself because the crib blocks were too slippery and I couldnt move my legs. The guy that was driving the man trip went into shock so he was useless. It was me and God. I regained enough feel in my legs to make one leap out of the water..when I was taken outside, it was 18* and snowing, and my clothes were soaked. By the time the ambulance came to get me, and I was taken to the hospital my body temp was 93-94 degrees. And the doctor and nurses were begging me to calm down because I was in danger of going into shock. I have spoken to 6 different MSHA inspectors, and ALL of them said there was no way that I should have survived that, given the conditions of the low top, my size, the weather and everything else. I was one inch from dying. God really does exist. I get aggravated too, when I see scumbag drug dealers living the good life, and young children getting abused and killed. Im not going to lie, I have often wondered why that happens..but based on my experience, Ive always believed in God, but that day, He proved to me that He was real. I dont claim to be a Bible thumping Christian, but He does exist.

Then really what's the use of being Omniscient. If your going to let bad things happen.
The point i was trying to make when i said that was that saying, "Lookn Around You God Is Everywhere" is a bad "Proof" of god because of all the bad things happening. I am one of those people that do god that don't profess to be christian. I give blood everytime i can because i know i could save six babies or 3 people. I won't believe in god when i get older because i'm not doing this to rebel against my parents or "their" religion. I feel the way i feel because of my own thinking. Not what someone has told which was what i was doing when i was "christian" :biggrin:

[sherman14]

Yes your young and I can see and understand some of what you are saying..but have you ever been in a life or death situation? To where nothing human can save you? To where it is indeed a miracle that you survived? Im not pushing my beliefs on you, but I promise you, that if you are ever in a situation like I was in, then you will believe in the miracles He performs. Dude, Ive read your posts on here, and you seem to be a well educated, smart young fella, but I was crushed against a mine roof, fitting a large body into what is roughly 12 inches on top of the machine I got pulled on, to the roof I was crushed against. The force was so hard that it snapped my leather mining belt in half. My hardhat was disintegrated, and my head was dragging the roof for about 15 feet. If that roof was an inch lower, I wouldnt be here today. I broke three vertabraes, and crushed one too fine to repair, I broke 4 ribs, shattering 2, broke my pelvis, tore the meniscus in my knee, broke my big toe because I wear a size 15 boot, and the way my foot was positioned on the battery pack, it bent the steel toe on top of it and broke it. And I had a chunk taken out of my head. After that ride, I fell into a water hole two feet deep, filled with loose crib blocks (wooded blocks). I lost the feeling in my legs for about 4 to 5 minutes, and I couldnt hardly lift my head, and I was worried I was gonna drown. I had never prayed for God to help me so hard in all my life. I couldnt pull myself because the crib blocks were too slippery and I couldnt move my legs. The guy that was driving the man trip went into shock so he was useless. It was me and God. I regained enough feel in my legs to make one leap out of the water..when I was taken outside, it was 18* and snowing, and my clothes were soaked. By the time the ambulance came to get me, and I was taken to the hospital my body temp was 93-94 degrees. And the doctor and nurses were begging me to calm down because I was in danger of going into shock. I have spoken to 6 different MSHA inspectors, and ALL of them said there was no way that I should have survived that, given the conditions of the low top, my size, the weather and everything else. I was one inch from dying. God really does exist. I get aggravated too, when I see scumbag drug dealers living the good life, and young children getting abused and killed. Im not going to lie, I have often wondered why that happens..but based on my experience, Ive always believed in God, but that day, He proved to me that He was real. I dont claim to be a Bible thumping Christian, but He does exist.

This in my opinion is the best post of all time on BGR.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Yes your young and I can see and understand some of what you are saying..but have you ever been in a life or death situation? To where nothing human can save you? To where it is indeed a miracle that you survived? I'm not pushing my beliefs on you, but I promise you, that if you are ever in a situation like I was in, then you will believe in the miracles He performs. Dude, Ive read your posts on here, and you seem to be a well educated, smart young fella, but I was crushed against a mine roof, fitting a large body into what is roughly 12 inches on top of the machine I got pulled on, to the roof I was crushed against. The force was so hard that it snapped my leather mining belt in half. My hardhat was disintegrated, and my head was dragging the roof for about 15 feet. If that roof was an inch lower, I wouldn't be here today. I broke three vertebrates, and crushed one too fine to repair, I broke 4 ribs, shattering 2, broke my pelvis, tore the meniscus in my knee, broke my big toe because I wear a size 15 boot, and the way my foot was positioned on the battery pack, it bent the steel toe on top of it and broke it. And I had a chunk taken out of my head. After that ride, I fell into a water hole two feet deep, filled with loose crib blocks (wooded blocks). I lost the feeling in my legs for about 4 to 5 minutes, and I couldn't hardly lift my head, and I was worried I was gonna drown. I had never prayed for God to help me so hard in all my life. I couldn't pull myself because the crib blocks were too slippery and I couldn't move my legs. The guy that was driving the man trip went into shock so he was useless. It was me and God. I regained enough feel in my legs to make one leap out of the water..when I was taken outside, it was 18* and snowing, and my clothes were soaked. By the time the ambulance came to get me, and I was taken to the hospital my body temp was 93-94 degrees. And the doctor and nurses were begging me to calm down because I was in danger of going into shock. I have spoken to 6 different MSHA inspectors, and ALL of them said there was no way that I should have survived that, given the conditions of the low top, my size, the weather and everything else. I was one inch from dying. God really does exist. I get aggravated too, when I see scumbag drug dealers living the good life, and young children getting abused and killed. I'm not going to lie, I have often wondered why that happens..but based on my experience, Ive always believed in God, but that day, He proved to me that He was real. I don't claim to be a Bible thumping Christian, but He does exist.

I'm Glad I have the Opportunity to talk to you today :biggrin:

Thanks For The Complement

I can understand why you would believe in god because that is truly a remarkable story. But i don't really see that as a proof god exists because while that was happening plenty of kids and Adults were dieing from things such as Cancer, Wrecks, Work Related Accidents, Babies Being aborted. Why would he just take his/her time and save only one person when he/she has the capacity to save them all. He is supposed to be Omniscient.
I'm not saying your lying because i know your not. So Please don't take me the wrong way. :High5:

I'm Glad you can believe i just can't.

By The Way Good Post :biggrin:

[sherman14]

I'm Glad I have the Opportunity to talk to you today :biggrin:

Thanks For The Complement

I can understand why you would believe in god because that is truly a remarkable story. But i don't really see that as a proof god exists because while that was happening plenty of kids and Adults were dieing from things such as Cancer, Wrecks, Work Related Accidents, Babies Being aborted. Why would he just take his/her time and save only one person when he/she has the capacity to save them all. He is supposed to be Omniscient.
I'm not saying your lying because i know your not. So Please don't take me the wrong way. :High5:

I'm Glad you can believe i just can't.

By The Way Good Post :biggrin:

If GOD saved everyone and gave everyone what they wanted. Then what kind of world would this be?

[TidesHoss32]

Thanks Sherman :Thumbs: I appreciate it bro..

This in my opinion is the best post of all time on BGR.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

If GOD saved everyone and gave everyone what they wanted. Then what kind of world would this be?

This Sums Up My Response To This,

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-Epicurus

The thing is you can't say he exists because he helped you in your troubles when billions more are having troubles like you and nothing is being done for them their just dieing and still persisting in their troubles

[sherman14]

This Sums Up My Response To This,

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-Epicurus

The thing is you can't say he exists because he helped you in your troubles when billions more are having troubles like you and nothing is being done for them their just dieing and still persisting in their troubles

But you didn't answer me. What would it do if he done things everyone wanted. What if he saved everyone. He test us day after day and we have to pass these test.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

But you didn't answer me. What would it do if he done things everyone wanted. What if he saved everyone. He test us day after day and we have to pass these test.

If god's purpose for the world was for it to be good and he knew that adam and eve was going to screw it up why do it?

If he kept all the good people happy and the miserable people miserable it would be perfect but i guess god has nothing better than taunt his followers because he obviusly doesn't help the dieing kids in sudan

[sherman14]

If god's purpose for the world was for it to be good and he knew that adam and eve was going to screw it up why do it?

If he kept all the good people happy and the miserable people miserable it would be perfect but i guess god has nothing better than taunt his followers because he obviusly doesn't help the dieing kids in sudan

What if God were to help each and everyone? What would be the purose on life if we were always "bailed out"?

[Kentucky_Liberal]

What if God were to help each and everyone? What would be the purose on life if we were always "bailed out"?

Well it doesn't really matter to me becdause i don't believe in god anyway.

[Deathstar 80]

In other words Kentucky_Liberal, are you asking why the human race suffers when God could help us? If it is, then I have the answer. In the book of Genesis, Adam and Eve were made in a perfect world. Then, Adam and Even intently sinned against God. The bible then tells us sin caused us to suffer. So why do people suffer so horribly? Because the human race intently sinned against God.

So in summary, why doesn't God stop the suffering? He is! God sent Jesus to die for us so that we could go to heaven, which is a place where suffering no longer exists. Of course, as you probably know, we must first accept Jesus as our savior and repent of our rebellious sins.

[cougarpride08]

The main thing to remember is he gave Adam and Eve a choice. Why we will never know. We have a choice, and we have a God who created this world knowing that we wasn't going to be perfect. He could have made it perfect if he wanted to, but he didn't.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAl4OjwvG4][/url]

[Kentucky_Liberal]

The main thing to remember is he gave Adam and Eve a choice. Why we will never know. We have a choice, and we have a God who created this world knowing that we wasn't going to be perfect. He could have made it perfect if he wanted to, but he didn't.

[TheRealVille]

As Ghandhi would say, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

[Stardust]

As Ghandhi would say, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

hh: In many instances, this is correct.

[TheRealVille]

hh: In many instances, this is correct.

In your instance, this is correct. Christ wouldn't be spreading gossip.

http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...hp?t=65532

[Stardust]

In your instance, this is correct. Christ wouldn't be spreading gossip.

http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...hp?t=65532

What is your point? Obviously you have no idea what a "Online Forums" site is all about. If you don't like a thread, pass on it. But you have no right to make it personal, none!

There was not one single comment that I added to that thread, nor do you have a right to add your words into my mouth. If you want to post an opinion, it is your right, just as it would be mine. If you don't get what this is all about, maybe you need to find something else to your liking.

[TheRealVille]

What is your point? Obviously you have no idea what a "Online Forums" site is all about. If you don't like a thread, pass on it. But you have no right to make it personal, none!

There was not one single comment that I added to that thread, nor do you have a right to add your words into my mouth. If you want to post an opinion, it is your right, just as it would be mine. If you don't get what this is all about, maybe you need to find something else to your liking.
__________________

Whether people want to read it or not doesn't make it ok for a "christian" to post gossip. You started the thread, that was your comment.

[lil dog]

In your instance, this is correct. Christ wouldn't be spreading gossip.

http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...hp?t=65532

Speaking in general about an issue, or giving ones opinion, is not gossip..................and there is an old saying practice what you preach, or treat people like you want to be treated, that one would go along way in this instance!!!!!!

[Stardust]

Whether people want to read it or not doesn't make it ok for a "christian" to post gossip. You started the thread, that was your comment.

lol, you are way too funny. Gossip? What Gossip? I posted news stories that are on the Washington Post, hardly the National Enquirer. Also, not a single word of the post was mine. Read the article, and you will see that I cut and psted the entire post. Don't make this about a Christian. If you feel so christlike, you need not be bashing another, THAT MY FRIEND, is un-christlike! This site is not Sesame Street!

[outdoorsman43]

lol, you are way too funny. Gossip? What Gossip? I posted news stories that are on the Washington Post, hardly the National Enquirer. Also, not a single word of the post was mine. Read the article, and you will see that I cut and psted the entire post. Don't make this about a Christian. If you feel so christlike, you need not be bashing another, THAT MY FRIEND, is un-christlike! This site is not Sesame Street!

:Thumbs: Preach it brother.

[Stardust]

:Thumbs: Preach it brother.

I'm at a loss that so many are perfectly fine to post an opinion irregardless of what others may think, but when someone posts something that they don't like, then all of a sudde is it inappropriate?????

Help me ODM43, I just don't get it.

[outdoorsman43]

I'm at a loss that so many are perfectly fine to post an opinion irregardless of what others may think, but when someone posts something that they don't like, then all of a sudde is it inappropriate?????

Help me ODM43, I just don't get it.

I really don't know, my friend. I guess when someone says a post is inappropriate, then they have nothing else left to say. :biggrin: