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Running it up.
#1
I understand that sometimes a score ends up lopsided because of a serious mismatch or a rivalry... or whatever. I would like to hear other people's opinions on this issue. I have been on both ends of it and have my own opinion, that I am sure will become obvious throughout this thread... but I just wanted to see what the consensus was.
#2
I had a Coach tell me once when I ask, why run up the score. He said and I quote," they can get better or drop football. They will remember what we did and lose hope."
#3
Coaches should schedule according to talent, I know that you have to play district games but you schedule a good team, you better be able to play with them........
#4
Snare43 Wrote:I had a Coach tell me once when I ask, why run up the score. He said and I quote," they can get better or drop football. They will remember what we did and lose hope."

To me, running up the score means keeping your starters in late in a game AND using every play in the book to score points when the game is no longer in doubt. That said, if a coach puts his second and third team in the game and continues to run his normal offense (regardless of what that offense is) he is doing right by his team and that does not constitute running up the score.
#5
Snare3 , not sure why I quoted you with my post. I hit the wrong button I guess. Ooops.
#6
honestly since i have been able to walk i cant remember bell get destroyed maybe once or twice but anyway bell has handed out a couple of not so thrilling whippings to some unlucky opponents for example last year bell beat lawrence county 62-0 but not on purpose i mean hilton was playing freshmen and they was still scoring they would run the ball and just break through the hole and it wouldnt be nice if the player was to fall on purpose or let the other players catch up after they have not caught them all game it would embarrass those players and the fans but sometimes a blowout isnt avoidable it just happens but the thing i cant stand is people who do it on purpose hope this helps
#7
BluegrassBuckeye Wrote:To me, running up the score means keeping your starters in late in a game AND using every play in the book to score points when the game is no longer in doubt. That said, if a coach puts his second and third team in the game and continues to run his normal offense (regardless of what that offense is) he is doing right by his team and that does not constitute running up the score.



I agree 100%. We had situation last year that we put in our JV with freshman running backs and still scored. This one certain coach got very madd. He thought we were running up the score and didnt even wanna shake our hands.
#8
[quote=BluegrassBuckeye]To me, running up the score means keeping your starters in late in a game AND using every play in the book to score points when the game is no longer in doubt. That said, if a coach puts his second and third team in the game and continues to run his normal offense (regardless of what that offense is) he is doing right by his team and that does not constitute running up the score.[/QUOTE]

agreed totally. If you have Second/third/JV players in running your offense, I have no problem with the kids trying to score(isn't that the point of playing offense?). I would be more embarassed if a team started to take a knee in the third quarter so that they didn't score.
#9
It is your(defense) responsiblity to keep the other team from scoring. Belfry scored 53 on us, we need to not worry about people running up the score and worrry about stopping them.
#10
BigBlueBobcatFan Wrote:honestly since i have been able to walk i cant remember bell get destroyed maybe once or twice but anyway bell has handed out a couple of not so thrilling whippings to some unlucky opponents for example last year bell beat lawrence county 62-0 but not on purpose i mean hilton was playing freshmen and they was still scoring they would run the ball and just break through the hole and it wouldnt be nice if the player was to fall on purpose or let the other players catch up after they have not caught them all game it would embarrass those players and the fans but sometimes a blowout isnt avoidable it just happens but the thing i cant stand is people who do it on purpose hope this helps

It was not Coach Hilton that said what I posted. It is obvious that he doesn't do this.
#11
BluegrassBuckeye Wrote:To me, running up the score means keeping your starters in late in a game AND using every play in the book to score points when the game is no longer in doubt. That said, if a coach puts his second and third team in the game and continues to run his normal offense (regardless of what that offense is) he is doing right by his team and that does not constitute running up the score.

:Thumbs:

In most cases, it's only the parents who believe it is running up the score, not the players or coaches from either side.
#12
Stardust Wrote::Thumbs:

In most cases, it's only the parents who believe it is running up the score, not the players or coaches from either side.

http://amnews.com/stories/2009/08/25/vau.214441.sto

One notable exception from this season is Johnson Central's coach Jim Matney accusing Boyle County's Larry French of running up the score in Boyle's 49-7 win. He even threatened to drop Boyle from next season's schedule. :1:
#13
Sometimes you have to show the team you are playing what they need to improve on. lol
#14
Even if you put in your JV or Freshmen, you can use more base plays and keep the ball on the ground... to keep from scoring so often. I always try to remember the golden rule, because eventually you will be the one on the short end and it will become obvious why you don't run it up. You have to think about the kids and coaches sometimes need to restain their egoes.

I have eight years of coaching experience and I have seen too many times what it does to kids when the score is ridiculous.

Also, I consider running it up 40+ deficit and still trying to score. There just isn't any need for that.
#15
BluegrassBuckeye Wrote:http://amnews.com/stories/2009/08/25/vau.214441.sto

One notable exception from this season is Johnson Central's coach Jim Matney accusing Boyle County's Larry French of running up the score in Boyle's 49-7 win. He even threatened to drop Boyle from next season's schedule. :1:

i hope he didnt really say that he would drop them,jc has beaten teams by that margin many of times,he needs to get them better and move on:Thumbs:
#16
Stardust Wrote::....


LOVE the new avatar. Sgt. Slaughter was my fav WWF'er of all time.

:rockon:
#17
bigcoachallen Wrote:Even if you put in your JV or Freshmen, you can use more base plays and keep the ball on the ground... to keep from scoring so often. I always try to remember the golden rule, because eventually you will be the one on the short end and it will become obvious why you don't run it up. You have to think about the kids and coaches sometimes need to restain their egoes.

I have eight years of coaching experience and I have seen too many times what it does to kids when the score is ridiculous.

Also, I consider running it up 40+ deficit and still trying to score. There just isn't any need for that.

So the second and third team kids don't deserve a chance to throw or catch a pass, run a reverse, kick a field goal, run a two minute offense, etc...? I don't think the kids are as fragile as you make them out to be.
#18
I have been working with kids for over a decade. I know how fragile their confidence is. If they get killed week after week, they will eventually quit (at least emotionally). I will say it again... when you are on the negative end of it, you will understand. I see a lot of coaches run it up on teams that are "down", to pad their stats and move up the ranking scale.

Besides all that, we have JV and Freshmen schedules so those kids can play and score, and win on their own. It is supposed to be about the kids, not about running it up and looking good. That's all I'm saying.
#19
If a team is getting killed week after week then it's time for the coach to look in the mirror and say "what am I doing wrong here". I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. In my twenty one years coaching various sports at various levels I have never felt like I had the score run up on me. I've always used lopsided defeats to motivate my kids to get better and to aspire to be champions. That's all I have to say on the matter.
#20
I think anytime a team opens up a 3 TD lead in the 4th Quarter they should take out their starting offense. With that said, if the oponent continues to leave their starting offense in I don't think the winning team should pull their starting defense.

My biggest issue with running up the score is the risk of injury to your offensive players. As the game gets later and the score gets wider, focus decreases, the losing team's frustration increases, and fatigue increases. This is the perfect storm for a careless injury to happen. You will also note that your elite level team,(Highlands, Trinity, St. X, Beechwood, Bell County, Belfry, etc), rarely run the score up. This only makes these team's stronger as it gives their underclassmen opportunities to get gametime snaps. These teams also liberally substitute throughout the course of the game.

I agree that it is always the defense's responsibility to stop you, so if a team can't stop your 2nd and 3rd stringers so be it, but it sickens me to see some teams leave their superstar players in the entire game with the sole intent of building stats and earning "style points" for their win.

Plus, as one particular mountain team with a noted history of "running it up" will attest, karma usually happens as well.
#21
a lot of good point,s were made. some teams are classy take lexington cath. for examply they get the running clock and empty the bench continue with there normal offense. but on the other hand and ive personally wittnessed it boyle county well they pull there starters with 2 minutes left. yet the mighty city schools fear the team with class. sad. ooops did i inadvertantly call boyle classless? sorry if i offended. but if we beat them this year great if not roll all over them bell county no freshem give them a taste well not them there coach he could use some humility.:devilflam
#22
I'm on both sides of the fence with this topic...

It's not very classy to run up the score but if it happens to you revenge is sweet...
#23
bigcoachallen Wrote:I have been working with kids for over a decade. I know how fragile their confidence is. If they get killed week after week, they will eventually quit (at least emotionally). I will say it again... when you are on the negative end of it, you will understand. I see a lot of coaches run it up on teams that are "down", to pad their stats and move up the ranking scale.

Besides all that, we have JV and Freshmen schedules so those kids can play and score, and win on their own. It is supposed to be about the kids, not about running it up and looking good. That's all I'm saying.

bchater Wrote:a lot of good point,s were made. some teams are classy take lexington cath. for examply they get the running clock and empty the bench continue with there normal offense. but on the other hand and ive personally wittnessed it boyle county well they pull there starters with 2 minutes left. yet the mighty city schools fear the team with class. sad. ooops did i inadvertantly call boyle classless? sorry if i offended. but if we beat them this year great if not roll all over them bell county no freshem give them a taste well not them there coach he could use some humility.:devilflam

After making my way through the misspellings, incorrect punctuation, lack of punctuation, and horrible sentence structure I have concluded that this post lacks any merit at all. This may be the most meaningless post ever. The only thing that I can deduce from it is that the poster must have been on the wrong end of a Boyle County beat down. :lmao:

GO REBELS!!:flame:
#24
You sub with a large lead, not to prevent running up the score, but to develop your younger players in a game situation. If you don't sub, you will pay the price later, because your team will lack game experience.
The leading team should always sub first. That way the younger players get experience against the first string of thier opponet.
#25
I think you should sub but you should still try to make your JV, and freshman better by moving the ball and doing what you do.
#26
It goes with the game, even though it feels much better to be the team on top, but if not, suck it up and work harder. Why should a team that has the capability of running the score up hold back? If they have worked & practiced hard they deserve their glory.
#27
IMO If your playing your starters and running up the score, thats just being an ***.
But if you've got your young guys in there, and they are scoring, then let it be. No need to tell your JV not to score.
#28
The old ball coach Steve Spurrier said it best...
" It's my job to score,it's there job to stop me..I guess I did the better job"
#29
BluegrassBuckeye Wrote:After making my way through the misspellings, incorrect punctuation, lack of punctuation, and horrible sentence structure I have concluded that this post lacks any merit at all. This may be the most meaningless post ever. The only thing that I can deduce from it is that the poster must have been on the wrong end of a Boyle County beat down. :lmao:

GO REBELS!!:flame:

yes many times been on the wrong side so i know first hand lack of class. HMM 47 and 0 what a winning streak but someone ended it. also i downloaded spell check just for you so i can hunt and peck at my key board to my hearts delight. punctuation is another issue i will work on
#30
footballnut Wrote:The old ball coach Steve Spurrier said it best...
" It's my job to score,it's there job to stop me..I guess I did the better job"

hard to argue with him.

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