[BloodyHarlanVOL]

How will the tie-breaker work to decide seedings for the playoffs? And what will the order be?

[JOBAKKA]

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[Mama Bear]

I'm going to try this. I'm probably wrong but here goes:
In a three way tie you get points based on who you beat prior to district play. You get to count a point for each W of the opponent you beat. So far, this is what I think is right.

Letcher Co.

beat S. Laurel-3
Middlesboro-3
Hazard-6
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So as of today -12 points


Harlan Co.

beat Lee, VA-1
Leslie-3
Powell Co., VA-3
_______________
to date 7points


Whitley Co.
beat Lynn Camp-4
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to date 4points



Of course there is another game left in the season and depending on those games, more points could be added to decide the top seed.

Am I even close on this?

[Mama Bear]

Next week:

If Letcher Co. beats Moore add 2 points=14

If Whitley beats Rockcastle add 4 points=8

If Harlan Co. beats bell add 8 points=15

[bucslover68]

You take any four defeated opponents, excluding any games between the teams that are tied, and you add up their victories. Each team gets one point for the victory total of these 4 defeated opponents. If, after the four opponents have been used, this still leaves all or two of the teams tied, you add a fifth defeated opponent and so on until the champion is decided. The number 2 and 3 teams left are decided the same way until their tie is broken with one team having more points than the other. This is basically paraphrased from the KHSAA website. Here in Pike County, we have dealt with this twice in the last 5 years. One year, Belfry, Pburg and Sheldon Clark were tied, and one year Pikeville, Paintsville, and Hazard were tied. All games on the schedule can be used in determining the tiebreaker, including out of state opponents. As i said earlier, the only games that cannot be used are the ones involving the tied teams. It also looks like the district involving Garrard County, Taylor County, and Wayne County will have to decide a tie-breaker for second, third, and fourth place, and Scott County, Lafayette, and Bryan Station will decide their district champion this way.

[EKUAlum05]

Letcher Central
As of right now:
Hazard (6), South Laurel (3), Middlesboro(3), Perry Central (6), Clay County (3), North Laurel (4)
Remaining: Moore (2)
Analysis: No matter the outcome of the Moore game, LCC's fate rests out of their hands. Four of their previous wins are playing each other Hazard vs. Clay, South Laurel vs. Middlesboro. To maximize their points they need Hazard to win, PCC and NL to win (all three share a win over PCC and NL though), and then they count the winner of the
SL/Mboro game for 4.

Projected points: 23

Whitley
Wins: Lynn Camp (4), Clay County (3), North Laurel (4), PCC (6)
Remaining: Rockcastle Co (4)
Analysis:They really want Clay County to beat Hazard to cost LCC a point, and North Laurel to lose so they can count Clay the same as NL. They need PCC to win, Lynn Camp to beat McCreary Central.

Projected points: 20

Harlan County
Wins: Lee, VA (1), Powell Valley, VA (3), Leslie County (3), North Laurel (4), PCC (6), Clay County (3)
Remaining: Bell County (8)

Analysis: Unlike the other two, HC can substantially help their case with a win Friday. They need PCC and NL to win, and Clay County to beat Hazard.

Projected points: 19
Projected if they beat Bell: 24


Simply put, if Harlan County knocks off Bell they will probably claim the tie-breaker. If not, Letcher Central takes it. Whitley appears to be on their way to coming up short no matter what.

[BloodyHarlanVOL]

Okay.. Kinda sounds like the BCS of H.S. Football. I read up on it, but didn't totally understand. I think I got it now. Thanks Mama and everyone else!

[EKUAlum05]

Mama,
Nice effort but district teams can count as long as they are not involved in the tie. You pick 4 wins, excluding teams in the tie-breaker. All three teams will use Perry Central, so PCC's points are a wash. North Laurel also appears to be in play for all three, but some teams would benefit more if NL loses so they are stuck with 4 points.

[EKUAlum05]

Once again this bears (no pun intended) repeating:

IF HARLAN COUNTY BEATS BELL THEY SHOULD WIN THE DISTRICT, if not they will probably finish 3rd.

[Mama Bear]

Mama,
Nice effort but district teams can count as long as they are not involved in the tie. You pick 4 wins, excluding teams in the tie-breaker. All three teams will use Perry Central, so PCC's points are a wash. North Laurel also appears to be in play for all three, but some teams would benefit more if NL loses so they are stuck with 4 points.

:thanks: I was close!

[Mama Bear]

Letcher Central
As of right now:
Hazard (6), South Laurel (3), Middlesboro(3), Perry Central (6), Clay County (3), North Laurel (4)
Remaining: Moore (2)
Analysis: No matter the outcome of the Moore game, LCC's fate rests out of their hands. Four of their previous wins are playing each other Hazard vs. Clay, South Laurel vs. Middlesboro. To maximize their points they need Hazard to win, PCC and NL to win (all three share a win over PCC and NL though), and then they count the winner of the
SL/Mboro game for 4.

Projected points: 23

Whitley
Wins: Lynn Camp (4), Clay County (3), North Laurel (4), PCC (6)
Remaining: Rockcastle Co (4)
Analysis:They really want Clay County to beat Hazard to cost LCC a point, and North Laurel to lose so they can count Clay the same as NL. They need PCC to win, Lynn Camp to beat McCreary Central.

Projected points: 20

Harlan County
Wins: Lee, VA (1), Powell Valley, VA (3), Leslie County (3), North Laurel (4), PCC (6), Clay County (3)
Remaining: Bell County (8)

Analysis: Unlike the other two, HC can substantially help their case with a win Friday. They need PCC and NL to win, and Clay County to beat Hazard.

Projected points: 19
Projected if they beat Bell: 24


Simply put, if Harlan County knocks off Bell they will probably claim the tie-breaker. If not, Letcher Central takes it. Whitley appears to be on their way to coming up short no matter what.

Nevermind I wasn't close.

So let me ask this...........nevermind. Geez, I thought things would be clearer after these games last night. There are still so many different scenerios. I'm all of a sudden interested in how Powell Valley VA does next week. Bottom line is that Harlan County needs to beat Bell to get #1 seed.

[58fan]

As of right now the tie breaker would look like this...NO 1 would be LCC, No 2 would be Whitley and No 3 would be Harlan. If Harlan beats bell then they would move to 1, LCC 2, and Whitley 3. Either way a team with one district loss will finish No 3 which is bad. But the good news if they play their best they should beat anyone out of district 7. I have figured total points several times and unless Harlan beats Bell LCC is No 1

[BloodyHarlanVOL]

It is, what it is... But I'm not too sure about the idea of a team having to win an out of district game in order to advance themselves within the district. Really doesn't work well for Harlan County having to depend on beating a very good Bell County team. I guess its only fitting that a crazy year in this district comes down to this. I say we bring in the 3-way coin toss and do it Friday Night Lights style.

[bac2369]

As of right now the tie breaker would look like this...NO 1 would be LCC, No 2 would be Whitley and No 3 would be Harlan. If Harlan beats bell then they would move to 1, LCC 2, and Whitley 3. Either way a team with one district loss will finish No 3 which is bad. But the good news if they play their best they should beat anyone out of district 7. I have figured total points several times and unless Harlan beats Bell LCC is No 1

True, Letcher is your number 1 unless harlan beats bell ( unlikely). Both Harlan and Whitley are going to use PCC and North Laurel. So for Whitley and Harlan if they both lose there last game then it gets tight. IF Harlan loses against bell they will use clay county and a team from virgina and if those teams win they would have 20 points assuming that pcc and nl wins. For Whitley if they lose to Rock they will use clay and lynn camp and if both teams win then whitley would have a total of 21 points and bring in the 2nd spot. But if lynn camp loses and clay wins they would be tied with 20 each unless that team from Va loses then its whitley. Also were they would be tied in this scenario it then would go to the head to head match up which whitley would have the win and get the 2 seed.

[58fan]

True, Letcher is your number 1 unless harlan beats bell ( unlikely). Both Harlan and Whitley are going to use PCC and North Laurel. So for Whitley and Harlan if they both lose there last game then it gets tight. IF Harlan loses against bell they will use clay county and a team from virgina and if those teams win they would have 20 points assuming that pcc and nl wins. For Whitley if they lose to Rock they will use clay and lynn camp and if both teams win then whitley would have a total of 21 points and bring in the 2nd spot. But if lynn camp loses and clay wins they would be tied with 20 each unless that team from Va loses then its whitley. Also were they would be tied in this scenario it then would go to the head to head match up which whitley would have the win and get the 2 seed.

Oh man, I thought I finally had it figured out, now I'm confused again........:lmao:

[bac2369]

Im sorry didnt mean to confuse you.but either way whitley is going to be your 2 seed unless harlan beats bell then its all a mess.

[BigBlueBobcatFan]

any body have any tylenol that was one big headache but in the end it dosent even matter we try so hard and got so far but in the end it dosent even matter na just kidding i am pickin Harlan County

[cougarpower]

The khsaa rule book will not allow any points from out of state teams, that is the down fall of playing teams out of state. LCC is the number 1 seed and district champions no matter what happens this week.

[OrangenowBlue]

The khsaa rule book will not allow any points from out of state teams, that is the down fall of playing teams out of state. LCC is the number 1 seed and district champions no matter what happens this week.

The KHSAA rule online states that out of state teams DO count in the tiebreaker process.

[BigBlueBobcatFan]

thats true they do im with OrangenowBlue on this one

[58fan]

Straight from KHSAA

All games playedshall be counted in applying the tie-breaking procedure,
including out of state games, with the exception that a
defeated school may be counted only once in the procedure
regardless of the number of games played against that
particular school

[palmer]

The khsaa rule book will not allow any points from out of state teams, that is the down fall of playing teams out of state. LCC is the number 1 seed and district champions no matter what happens this week.

You should read the rule book before quoting it.