[Mr.Kimball]

How about it?

[thecavemaster]

How about it?

It doesn't matter what color one is, does it? Isn't it a usage tax? White folks don't much have to worry about sickle cell anemia. When it comes to certain diseases and pigmentation, sometimes the breaks are just the breaks.

[notamoocher]

What's next the pork chop tax, no I know the salt tax, no the hamburger tax. Ah you get the picture..

[Mr.Kimball]

It doesn't matter what color one is, does it? Isn't it a usage tax? White folks don't much have to worry about sickle cell anemia. When it comes to certain diseases and pigmentation, sometimes the breaks are just the breaks.

If this were the other way around though, would you liberalists be saying the same thing? Heck no, you would be hollerin RACIST, RACIST,RACIST!!!!!!

And you know as well as I do, I'm right on that.irateSho

[nky]

Maybe not but John Boehner doesn't care much for it

[Hoot Gibson]

It doesn't matter what color one is, does it? Isn't it a usage tax? White folks don't much have to worry about sickle cell anemia. When it comes to certain diseases and pigmentation, sometimes the breaks are just the breaks.

We can always count on you for a bad analogy, CM. Is there a tax on sickle cell anemia treatment? If there was a tax on sickle cell anemia, what would the reaction be among the "black community organizers?" I have no statistics in hand, but my guess is that a tax on tanning bed use hits working poor white people particularly hard.

Obama did not single out tanning beds for a special tax by accident. He knew the color of skin that he was targeting.

[blue1424]

If this were a tax on something that mainly minority groups use the liberals and the unions would be outraged and would be calling all people that supported the tax racists.

[Old School]

If this were the other way around though, would you liberalists be saying the same thing? Heck no, you would be hollerin RACIST, RACIST,RACIST!!!!!!

And you know as well as I do, I'm right on that.irateSho

Heck, us white folk are labeled as racist whenever we disagree with Barry.

We can always count on you for a bad analogy, CM. Is there a tax on sickle cell anemia treatment? If there was a tax on sickle cell anemia, what would the reaction be among the "black community organizers?" I have no statistics in hand, but my guess is that a tax on tanning bed use hits working poor white people particularly hard.

Obama did not single out tanning beds for a special tax by accident. He knew the color of skin that he was targeting.

Agreed the weathy own their tanning beds, only the poor and some of the middle class pay for tanning sessions.

What ever happened to Barry's promise of not rasing taxes on the poor? :eyeroll:

[TheRealVille]

Would the tax have anything to do with energy consumption? If "poor white folk" are so worried about this tax, maybe they should just tan the old fashioned way, for free, under the sun. Just sayin..

I gladly pay my "sin" tax on my spirits. If I don't want to pay that tax, I'll quit "partaking". Same thing.

[Hoot Gibson]

Would the tax have anything to do with energy consumption? If "poor white folk" are so worried about this tax, maybe they should just tan the old fashioned way, for free, under the sun. Just sayin..

I gladly pay my "sin" tax on my spirits. If I don't want to pay that tax, I'll quit "partaking". Same thing.

That kind of attitude only encourages socialists like Obama to keep finding products and services that impact a minority of US citizens. Death by a thousand small cuts is still death. I have never smoked in my life and think people who do are idiots - but I will oppose punitive cigarette taxes levied on those idiots with my dying breath.

Every time that our government imposes a "targeted tax" or a so-called "sin tax" to control behavior, every American citizen's personal liberty takes a hit. If good German citizens had objected en masse when the Nazis first began stripping Jews of their property and freedom, the Holocaust might never have happened.

As long as people remain silent when government oppression does not personally affect them, extremists in Washington will continue to strip away our freedoms one at a time until we are powerless to oppose the tyrants.

[LWC]

That kind of attitude only encourages socialists like Obama to keep finding products and services that impact a minority of US citizens. Death by a thousand small cuts is still death. I have never smoked in my life and think people who do are idiots - but I will oppose punitive cigarette taxes levied on those idiots with my dying breath.

Every time that our government imposes a "targeted tax" or a so-called "sin tax" to control behavior, every American citizen's personal liberty takes a hit. If good German citizens had objected en masse when the Nazis first began stripping Jews of their property and freedom, the Holocaust might never have happened.

As long as people remain silent when government oppression does not personally affect them, extremists in Washington will continue to strip away our freedoms one at a time until we are powerless to oppose the tyrants.

Please PLEASE tell me that you are not comparing "sin" taxes to Adolph Hitler's policies to the Jews!?!?!? :yikes:

You are at the LEAST comparing cigarette and tanning bed taxes to the Nuremberg laws which segregated Jews, kept Jews from professional jobs, allowed no government contracts for Jewish businesses, not allow Jews to go to public schools, etc... (All of which were BEFORE the concentration camps)

We can always count on you for a bad analogy.

What's fair for the goose.....

[Mr.Kimball]

Please PLEASE tell me that you are not comparing "sin" taxes to Adolph Hitler's policies to the Jews!?!?!? :yikes:

You are at the LEAST comparing cigarette and tanning bed taxes to the Nuremberg laws which segregated Jews, kept Jews from professional jobs, no government contracts for Jewish businesses!

No if you would take the time to read what he is saying, he is talking about how every day are personal liberties are taken away; the first day it's this, the next day it's that. You're probably way to young and unknowing of how many brave Americans fought and died for you to have any sort of freedoms that you may now have. Now these clowns are just making a mockery of these brave men's sacrifices, and they continue to violate everything that our constitution stands for.

It's all about PERSONAL LIBERTIES, lwc. What he is trying to show you is how these things fester, spread, and grow. STOP and THINK!!!!!

[Mr.Kimball]

Please PLEASE tell me that you are not comparing "sin" taxes to Adolph Hitler's policies to the Jews!?!?!? :yikes:

You are at the LEAST comparing cigarette and tanning bed taxes to the Nuremberg laws which segregated Jews, kept Jews from professional jobs, allowed no government contracts for Jewish businesses, not allow Jews to go to public schools, etc... (All of which were BEFORE the concentration camps)



What's fair for the goose.....'

You dont even remotely have a clue as to what you are talking about.

[Hoot Gibson]

Please PLEASE tell me that you are not comparing "sin" taxes to Adolph Hitler's policies to the Jews!?!?!? :yikes:

You are at the LEAST comparing cigarette and tanning bed taxes to the Nuremberg laws which segregated Jews, kept Jews from professional jobs, no government contracts for Jewish businesses!

I am not comparing the Nazis actions to the vast array of taxes that liberals have passed and are proposing, but I am comparing the non-Jewish German population's reaction to the Jews' loss of rights to many people's reaction to burdensome taxes that do not affect them personally. That is an extremely selfish and a dangerous attitude that only feeds the federal government's growing appetite for power and taxes.

My bigger point is that slippery slopes do exist in life and pretending that they do not exist invites disaster. Even the Jews in Nazi Germany generally complied with Hitler's escalating attacks on them until it was too late to mount an effective resistance or to escape. Bullies must be confronted and Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are bullies of the worst sort.

[LWC]

Whatever, I digress.

Because obviously there is a close correlation............

There is a huge difference in a tax on a "good" vs. the Jewish Policy of Hitler. I am not saying that was the users intention of his comment, it is just that it is a HUGE stretch to make that conclusion or even use that as an example.

[Mr.Kimball]

Whatever, I digress.

Because obviously there is a close correlation............

There is a huge difference in a tax on a "good" vs. the Jewish Policy of Hitler. I am not saying that was the users intention of his comment, it is just that it is a HUGE stretch to make that conclusion or even use that as an example.

Your just not getting it. Again, he is talking about Personal Liberties. His example is an excellent one of what can happen when..............ah, never mind, why even bother.:eyeroll:

[Hoot Gibson]

Whatever, I digress.

Because obviously there is a close correlation............

There is a huge difference in a tax on a "good" vs. the Jewish Policy of Hitler. I am not saying that was the users intention of his comment, it is just that it is a HUGE stretch to make that conclusion or even use that as an example.

Not a huge stretch at all unless you are a determined and enthusiastic Obama supporter.


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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy. - Daniel Webster

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[LWC]

Not a huge stretch at all unless you are a determined and enthusiastic Obama supporter.
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Not an Obama supporter.

I understand your point, but it is EXTREME! People said the same things whenever the tax on gas increased. We are still free people.

I am agreeing that the tax is wrong. I am even agreeing that if silly taxes continue then action needs to be taken. I just refuse to agree with your extreme analogy. That is all we disagree on. No reason to call me something as terrible as an Obama supporter :biggrin: (Even though I would consider myself a Statist)

[Hoot Gibson]

Not an Obama supporter.

I understand your point, but it is EXTREME! People said the same things whenever the tax on gas increased. We are still free people.

Not as free as we were before the tax was imposed.

I am agreeing that the tax is wrong. I am even agreeing that if silly taxes continue then action needs to be taken. I just refuse to agree with your extreme analogy. That is all we disagree on. No reason to call me something as terrible as an Obama supporter :biggrin: (Even though I would consider myself a Statist)

I am relieve to hear that you are not an Obama supporter. Silly taxes have continued unabated and they will continue to propagate as long as so many people do not care that their neighbor's tax bill has gone up.

The sad thing is that there are so many examples of the impact of creeping socialism around the world, where free societies have offered little resistance to incremental intrusions on their liberty. Higher taxes are only one facet of the problem of creeping socialism. Canadians have gradually lost their free speech rights and citizens in the UK are beginning to understand how Soviet citizens felt.

Here is an example of what the people of the UK are going through:

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Teachers leave boy, 5, stranded in tree because of health and safety (then report passer-by who helped him down to police)

A boy of five was left stranded in a tree at school because of a bizarre health and safety policy - which banned teachers from helping him down.
The mischievous pupil climbed the 20ft tree at the end of morning break and refused to come down.

But instead of helping him, staff followed guidelines and retreated inside the school building to ‘observe from a distance’ so the child would not get ‘distracted and fall’

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[miragesmack]

Would the tax have anything to do with energy consumption? If "poor white folk" are so worried about this tax, maybe they should just tan the old fashioned way, for free, under the sun. Just sayin..

I gladly pay my "sin" tax on my spirits. If I don't want to pay that tax, I'll quit "partaking". Same thing.

Would a "chitlin" tax or a :jheri curl" tax be viewed the same way? Chitlins make you fat, therefore it could be a sin tax. Jheri curl products are bad for the environment, as most hair products are. IF those were legit taxes, would the Rev Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have a complaint?

BTW, don't give them ideas about the "sun tax", if they figured out a way, they would do it.

[Hoot Gibson]

Would a "chitlin" tax or a :jheri curl" tax be viewed the same way? Chitlins make you fat, therefore it could be a sin tax. Jheri curl products are bad for the environment, as most hair products are. IF those were legit taxes, would the Rev Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have a complaint?

BTW, don't give them ideas about the "sun tax", if they figured out a way, they would do it.

Neal Boortz tweeted earlier today that we should tax menthol "ciggies" and malt liquor to add some balance.

Of course, more than a few white people smoke menthol cigarettes and drink malt liquor but predominately black neighborhoods seem to be the tobacco and alcohol companies' preferred location for billboards advertising these products.

[thecavemaster]

I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd denounce all those who would limit a woman's right to an abortion. I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd defend the right of homosexuals to marry. I am so glad to see the "personal liberty" crowd outraged by a few cents tax on tanning bed visits. Funny stuff, what with Hack Gibson worrying about analogies and all, while swallowing camels and straining gnats.

[Mr.Kimball]

I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd denounce all those who would limit a woman's right to an abortion. I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd defend the right of homosexuals to marry. I am so glad to see the "personal liberty" crowd outraged by a few cents tax on tanning bed visits. Funny stuff, what with Hack Gibson worrying about analogies and all, while swallowing camels and straining gnats.

Yeah, shame on those guys for not advocating murder. What's this country coming to?:please:

[Hoot Gibson]

I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd denounce all those who would limit a woman's right to an abortion. I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd defend the right of homosexuals to marry. I am so glad to see the "personal liberty" crowd outraged by a few cents tax on tanning bed visits. Funny stuff, what with Hack Gibson worrying about analogies and all, while swallowing camels and straining gnats.

There are no constitutional rights to murder and there are no constitutional rights for homosexuals to marry. Just saying that constitutional rights, such as health care, gay marriage, and abortion exist do not make it so - even if the person saying so is a US president. That is the beauty of a constitutional republic. A nation of laws, not of men.

[Mr.Kimball]

I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd denounce all those who would limit a woman's right to an abortion. I am so glad to hear the "personal liberty" crowd defend the right of homosexuals to marry. I am so glad to see the "personal liberty" crowd outraged by a few cents tax on tanning bed visits. Funny stuff, what with Hack Gibson worrying about analogies and all, while swallowing camels and straining gnats.

Yeah, It's a good thing that there are protectors of the square peg/round hole gang, like yourself there big fella. I'm just guessing you're a guy of the square peg persuation yourself, CM? That's some even funnier stuff!!!

[OrangenowBlue]

There are no constitutional rights to murder and there are no constitutional rights for homosexuals to marry. Just saying that constitutional rights, such as health care, gay marriage, and abortion exist do not make it so - even if the person saying so is a US president. That is the beauty of a constitutional republic. A nation of laws, not of men.

So is the death penalty a violation of the constitution? Before some of you get your conservative bloomers in a wad I am pro- capital punishment. Just curious of Hoot's opinion.

[Hoot Gibson]

So is the death penalty a violation of the constitution? Before some of you get your conservative bloomers in a wad I am pro- capital punishment. Just curious of Hoot's opinion.

Where is the death penalty defined as murder? The US Constitution requires that defendants get due process. Provided that those accused of capital crimes receive their due process, there is no Constitutional issue with the application of the death penalty.

As for abortion, the US Supreme Court has ruled, wrongly in my opinion, that there is a constitutional right of abortion based on an implied right of privacy. However, the Supreme Court has also ruled that the states may regulate abortions.

The difference in abortion and capital punishment that liberals have difficulty in grasping is the difference between innocence and guilt. There is no moral equivalency between taking the life of an unborn child and taking the life of a convicted murderer. Yet, the left thinks (oxymoron?) that conservatives who oppose abortion but support capital punishment are guilty of hypocrisy.

Believing that abortion is murder and capital punishment is justice is not intellectually inconsistent at all if a person understands the concept of innocence.

[OrangenowBlue]

Where is the death penalty defined as murder? The US Constitution requires that defendants get due process. Provided that those accused of capital crimes receive their due process, there is no Constitutional issue with the application of the death penalty.

As for abortion, the US Supreme Court has ruled, wrongly in my opinion, that there is a constitutional right of abortion based on an implied right of privacy. However, the Supreme Court has also ruled that the states may regulate abortions.

The difference in abortion and capital punishment that liberals have difficulty in grasping is the difference between innocence and guilt. There is no moral equivalency between taking the life of an unborn child and taking the life of a convicted murderer. Yet, the left thinks (oxymoron?) that conservatives who oppose abortion but support capital punishment are guilty of hypocrisy.

Believing that abortion is murder and capital punishment is justice is not intellectually inconsistent at all if a person understands the concept of innocence.

I agree as long as you do not bring religion into it. I do believe if you are a devout Christian and base life around Christian beliefs(which I do not base mine), you should be against both as the 10 commandments state thou shalt not kill. This supercedes all the statements of an eye for an eye which is a common argument in their defense. The bible states "he who is without sin cast the first stone". Who is? I do believe that capital punishment and war are warranted and justified on many occasions but I do believe that they are sins in gods eyes. That being said. I do not like the liberals getting into my wallet and I do not like the conservatives telling me how to live my personal life when they are doing just the opposite. I believe it is my right to drink beer, hunt, shoot guns, go to strip clubs without the left or the right telling me what to do. If I want to mine coal on my land, it is my business. If I want to open a strip club on my land, it is my business. I do not want the constitution manipulated in either direction for one groups personal gain.

[vundy33]

lol...people, I don't know if it's where you've not been out of Kentucky in 20 years or what...

But, White people aren't the only people to use tanning beds. I know PLENTY of Black and Puerto Rican people (mainly girls) that lay in the tanning bed. Black people can tan ya know...

[Hoot Gibson]

I agree as long as you do not bring religion into it. I do believe if you are a devout Christian and base life around Christian beliefs(which I do not base mine), you should be against both as the 10 commandments state thou shalt not kill. This supercedes all the statements of an eye for an eye which is a common argument in their defense. The bible states "he who is without sin cast the first stone". Who is? I do believe that capital punishment and war are warranted and justified on many occasions but I do believe that they are sins in gods eyes. That being said. I do not like the liberals getting into my wallet and I do not like the conservatives telling me how to live my personal life when they are doing just the opposite. I believe it is my right to drink beer, hunt, shoot guns, go to strip clubs without the left or the right telling me what to do. If I want to mine coal on my land, it is my business. If I want to open a strip club on my land, it is my business. I do not want the constitution manipulated in either direction for one groups personal gain.

There are many translations of the Bible and many if not most include "Thou shall not murder" as one of the Ten Commandments. Opponents of capital punishment always cite translations the substitute "kill" for "murder," although it seems pretty clear that their are instances in the Bible of justified killing. I generally agree with everything in your post but I do believe that coal mining should be regulated because of the potential damage that mining on your own land can cause to other peoples' property.

The federal government should only be allowed to regulate coal mining to ensure that bodies of water coursing through states are not substantially damaged. It should not be allowed to use the preservation of obscure species of insects or salamanders as an excuse to ban mining entirely.

Liberals are far more likely to want to tell you how to live your life than libertarians or conservatives. There is no greater intrusion in your life than attempting to control what you eat, what you drive, and what you do for a living through "targeted" taxation.