[LC_Dawgs]

Anybody know anything about this 9th region team. LC has them in the first round.

[Panther Thunder]

Lost to CAL in the All "A". CAL knocked the ball all over the place winning 10-6.

[Breds]

Very solid team. Very good Pitching and usually puts up lots of Runs. Record of 25-9. Quality wins over Boone, Connor, Beechwood, PRP, Ryle, Sayre, Reidland, and Harrison County.

Cain is thier pitching ace and will surely start this first game.

[horst muhlmann]

Lost to CAL in the All "A". CAL knocked the ball all over the place winning 10-6.

Don't be deceived by that score. Vance Sullivan got knocked around a bit in that game and will likely not pitch in favor of ace Cain. Cain v. Shepherd will be a good one.

NC has a senior laden team and had a terrible draw in the Region, knocking off Beechwood, Boone County, and Conner in the regional tournament. They put the ball in play and are fast. Highchew is a great talent and they can play AL (slug fest) or NL (bunt and move runners over) styles.

Should be one of the better 1st round games.

From the reports posted on BGR, NC should bring in Aroldis Chapman to throw BP to prepare for Shepherd's heater.

[Bob Seger]

Don't be deceived by that score. Vance Sullivan got knocked around a bit in that game and will likely not pitch in favor of ace Cain. Cain v. Shepherd will be a good one.

NC has a senior laden team and had a terrible draw in the Region, knocking off Beechwood, Boone County, and Conner in the regional tournament. They put the ball in play and are fast. Highchew is a great talent and they can play AL (slug fest) or NL (bunt and move runners over) styles.

Should be one of the better 1st round games.

From the reports posted on BGR, NC should bring in Aroldis Chapman to throw BP to prepare for Shepherd's heater.

Yeah, you can hear a lot of stuff on here. 87-89 for the most part. Will top out @ 91.

[LC_Dawgs]

shepherd hit 96 on the gun when he closed against belfry

[Bob Seger]

shepherd hit 96 on the gun when he closed against belfry

I think it was 91.

[jetpilot]

I will be extremely shocked if Shepherd can put a 90 on the Whitaker Bank board.

[lcgrad2002]

Why would that shock you?

[jetpilot]

Have you watched HS games there? It's almost impossible to do.

[mr.charlie hustle]

I will be extremely shocked if Shepherd can put a 90 on the Whitaker Bank board.

I guess we can all agree that he will get that opportunity,can we not? It is in fact a different park to get high marks.Therefore if he pulls it off it off then I suppose that would be nice. Don't ya think? It would seem to be about 1mph difference in UK and Whitaker.

[mr.charlie hustle]

I think it was 91.

I know for a fact that he hit 91 at least once against Belfry. I saw that one shot and have no idea as to its accuracy. I cannot say for sure as to wheither he went higher or what he pitched at. I would suppose it is a moot point as long as the pitcher throws pitches that are not effectively dealt with by batters. This to the point that games are won and not lost.

[PHSForever]

I guess we can all agree that he will get that opportunity,can we not? It is in fact a different park to get high marks.Therefore if he pulls it off it off then I suppose that would be nice. Don't ya think? It would seem to be about 1mph difference in UK and Whitaker.

Good post, CH. Fact of the matter is, he will get the chance, no matter what. As for the difference in gun times, I THINK (not 100% sure) that the Legends use the same time of gun system they use in the pros, which is considered the most accurate around nowadays. What it does is supposedly recalculates the speed something like 50 times as it approaches the plate, not sure how this works, physics dummy here. :biggrin:

But I'm really pulling for the kid. Always nice to see mountain talent get a shot.

[Panther Thunder]

I guess we can all agree that he will get that opportunity,can we not? It is in fact a different park to get high marks.Therefore if he pulls it off it off then I suppose that would be nice. Don't ya think? It would seem to be about 1mph difference in UK and Whitaker.

Rule of Thumb. When at Whitaker Bank Park, always add three (+3) miles per hour to the number shown on the board.

[jetpilot]

I guess we can all agree that he will get that opportunity,can we not? It is in fact a different park to get high marks.Therefore if he pulls it off it off then I suppose that would be nice. Don't ya think? It would seem to be about 1mph difference in UK and Whitaker.

Who said he wouldn't?

[Bob Seger]

Who said he wouldn't?

Yeah, really? Why would anyone get defensive about anything in this thread. Nobody cut anybody or had anything negative to say about anybody. Charlie Hustle is the one that told me that he hit 91 and was right there beside the gun when it happened. I have no doubt about that at all as I have stated before that I have gunned him at 91 several times. There is certainly nothing shabby about that.


BUT, when you have someone get on here and state a number like 96, that's when the absurdity of it comes into play. People who have never seen 96 have no clue as to what the difference in 91 and 96 actually is. They may be only 5 digits apart but 96 is an absolute light year away from 91. It's as much difference as what 80 and 90 is. There is a very distinct visible difference. It goes along perfectly with the whole point that Horst Muhlmann was making when he made the comment about NCC needing to call Aroldis Chapman to pitch batting practice based on some of the comments posted on this board. Someone just proved his point.

[Bob Seger]

I guess we can all agree that he will get that opportunity,can we not? It is in fact a different park to get high marks.Therefore if he pulls it off it off then I suppose that would be nice. Don't ya think? It would seem to be about 1mph difference in UK and Whitaker.

Again, who said anything to the contrary?

[mr.charlie hustle]

Again, who said anything to the contrary?

Noone Bob.Not anyone to my knowledge. I am afraid that folks are for some reason beginning to read things into statements that are simply not there. The reason for same I cannot explain. As simply as I can put it: Over the past few months different individuals have placed Chandler Shepherd's fast ball at speeds between 87 and 96 mph. Now if that is an important factor for some people my point was that the young man will have the opportunity to exibit this in the venue of a State Tournament Game. Nothing more nothing
less.......

[PHSForever]

Who said he wouldn't?

Yeah, really? Why would anyone get defensive about anything in this thread. Nobody cut anybody or had anything negative to say about anybody. Charlie Hustle is the one that told me that he hit 91 and was right there beside the gun when it happened. I have no doubt about that at all as I have stated before that I have gunned him at 91 several times. There is certainly nothing shabby about that.


BUT, when you have someone get on here and state a number like 96, that's when the absurdity of it comes into play. People who have never seen 96 have no clue as to what the difference in 91 and 96 actually is. They may be only 5 digits apart but 96 is an absolute light year away from 91. It's as much difference as what 80 and 90 is. There is a very distinct visible difference. It goes along perfectly with the whole point that Horst Muhlmann was making when he made the comment about NCC needing to call Aroldis Chapman to pitch batting practice based on some of the comments posted on this board. Someone just proved his point.

Agreed. When I played in college, there was a TREMENDOUS difference between even 85 and 90. Until people have actually faced these kinds of speeds, they really don't know. 75 and 70 arent's that different, nor are 80 and 75...BUT, beyond that, even incremental changes of a couple mph here and there are dramatic. For me, it was always harder hitting an 82 mph slider than it was an 85 mph fastball, usually because of the movement alone. But swinging at a 90 mph fastball versus an 87 mph fastball, both being equal in movement was still light years in difference. That's why so called "junk" pitchers usually do so well at the high school and college level, especially if their cutters/sliders, etc are close in mph to their fastballs and they have command of their pitches, and that sometimes transalates to the pro level as well.

Speaking of pitchers I've watched/seen up close, etc., that is a reason I was not so quick to put Rick down for his assessment of Willie Blair as the best in the past 30 years out of this area. Willie had a live fastball that really moved well, and had good command of his off speed pitches. Matt Coleman, on the other hand, had a very nice fastball, but it was flat with not a lot of movement. He did well in high school, well in college, but just could not (I guess) get over that hump of getting some movement and difference in his pitches that would keep the pro level players from teeing off on him. He did very well at Bristol, not really sure why he didn't hold out longer, maybe the coaches just told him he wasn't going any further up, who knows? But that is the fun of baseball, watching and guessing and debating!

[Bob Seger]

Agreed. When I played in college, there was a TREMENDOUS difference between even 85 and 90. Until people have actually faced these kinds of speeds, they really don't know. 75 and 70 arent's that different, nor are 80 and 75...BUT, beyond that, even incremental changes of a couple mph here and there are dramatic. For me, it was always harder hitting an 82 mph slider than it was an 85 mph fastball, usually because of the movement alone. But swinging at a 90 mph fastball versus an 87 mph fastball, both being equal in movement was still light years in difference. That's why so called "junk" pitchers usually do so well at the high school and college level, especially if their cutters/sliders, etc are close in mph to their fastballs and they have command of their pitches, and that sometimes transalates to the pro level as well.

Speaking of pitchers I've watched/seen up close, etc., that is a reason I was not so quick to put Rick down for his assessment of Willie Blair as the best in the past 30 years out of this area. Willie had a live fastball that really moved well, and had good command of his off speed pitches. Matt Coleman, on the other hand,[B] had a very nice fastball, but it was flat with not a lot of movement.[/B] He did well in high school, well in college, but just could not (I guess) get over that hump of getting some movement and difference in his pitches that would keep the pro level players from teeing off on him. He did very well at Bristol, not really sure why he didn't hold out longer, maybe the coaches just told him he wasn't going any further up, who knows? But that is the fun of baseball, watching and guessing and debating!

Exactly!!! That was the point I was trying to make. People just cannot fathom how hard it is to add an extra MPH on a fastball when you start getting up into the 90's. The higher the velocity is the more difficulty in increasing one single MPH. As stated 91 is light years away from 96, just as 80 is light years away from 90. They are both on two totally different levels and are visibly apparent.

And that may be the obstacle that Shepherd has to overcome. I would like to see him drop down to a slightly lower arm slot. If you watch him in the pen while warming up he tosses at a lower arm slot before he starts to bring the heat and has a lot of visible run, but when he throws game speed he comes more over the top and has virtually no run. Perhaps someone at the next level will work with him on that aspect. Gary Henderson told me once that his criteria in pitching falls in this order; 1) location...2) movement...3) velocity. For Shepherd it will be to his advantage to play for Henderson, who really is better suited IMO as a pitching coach/recruiter. He and Cohen made a great tandem when he primarily filled those roles. If you notice neither have been very successful since they went forward solo.

[horst muhlmann]

Wow. My simple post has taken on a life of its own...

Back to the point I was trying to make. NC would be well served to bring in someone to throw BP this week who throws a "fast" fast ball. They have solid hitters who can turn on a 4 seamer so long as they don't chase the high heater, which we know is almost impossible to stay on top of.

Since Shepherd has signed with UK, he's got D-1 talent and it will be a tough task for NC in Lexington. As a Northern Kentuckian, I'm pulling for the Breds in this one.

[PHSForever]

Wow. My simple post has taken on a life of its own...

Back to the point I was trying to make. NC would be well served to bring in someone to throw BP this week who throws a "fast" fast ball. They have solid hitters who can turn on a 4 seamer so long as they don't chase the high heater, which we know is almost impossible to stay on top of.

Since Shepherd has signed with UK, he's got D-1 talent and it will be a tough task for NC in Lexington. As a Northern Kentuckian, I'm pulling for the Breds in this one.

LOL, that's the way it works on this site, a little post takes on a life of it's own sometimes.

[Bob Seger]

LOL, that's the way it works on this site, a little post takes on a life of it's own sometimes.

You do have to be careful though. Sometimes simple truthful factual statements will get you labeled as big time haters...lol