[DSRfan]

New here, so hope you will read. And I realize there
was already a thread about this, but last night reinforced it.

KHSAA playoffs NEED CONTRACTION in the worst way.

First round saw 52 gmaes with a 30+ point margin.
35 teams scored 50+
16 teams scord 60+
4 scored 70+

St. X, which lost to Trinity by 35, beat Nelson Co. 72-0.

Last night in round 2, 23 more games were decided by 30+.
15 more teams scored 50+
4 more teams scored 60+

Now I will admit that these second round margins are a little
more atypical, but not a lot. And that doesn't change the
par for the course amount of 1st rd slaughters. It was bad enough
under the 4 class system when 4 teams per district made
the post season. With 6 classes, a shocking number of
these total mismatches are all but guaranteed.

Commissioner Tackett has shown zero interest in contraction
of either the classes, or the playoff entries per district. But
both should, and fewer entries must, come about if we don't
want our playoffs to continue to be a joke until the 3rd round.
And in these tough economic times, what logic is there in having
these programs incur the added costs of travel, etc. for games that
so many have no chance to win? And it gives no benefit to the
winners either, who must guard against injury in meaningless games,
and who can't get decent competition to help prepare them
for games down the line.

[Iam4thecats]

Your logic makes no sense. what do you want now? Conract the 2nd round too and only let district champs in? The playoffs are not about you. They are not about the fans. Its about players and teams playing win or go home stakes at the right time of year.

[nky]

$$$$$$$$$$

[DSRfan]

Your logic makes no sense. what do you want now? Conract the 2nd round too and only let district champs in? The playoffs are not about you. They are not about the fans. Its about players and teams playing win or go home stakes at the right time of year.

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Don't jump to conclusions. I'm not advocating going down to district
champs only, I just use last night's numbers to show that even in
this round there are plenty of mismatches still, and that, only to
rebut those who still want to keep 4 entries per district.

And while you're right, the sport should be about the kids participating,
subjecting hundreds of kids to humiliating defeats, and leaving
the seniors on those teams with a horrible final memory of their
football careers, is NOT "about the players and teams".
And it certainly isn't about "win or go home stakes" because
the vast majority of the teams we're talking about have NO
chance to win.

As the other reply above suggests, that can only be about
the MONEY. Though I can't imagine it's a lot of money to
anyone involved when you subtract the expenses,including
the KHSAA. I still think it would be best, to go to winners and runnersup,
but even going down to 3 per district and giving the winners a
1st rd bye would be a tremendous improvement.

[jw4914]

This will always be a debate. There is always the factor that one District is tougher than
another. Or you have a 4 seed better than a 2 or 3 seed from an opposing District. Just
saying that it is a hard debate... Look at 3A Powell. 4th Seed D5 and playing in the
Regional Final with a blowout of a 1st Seed. The changes can be made and the debate
will start all over....

[nky]

How about taking the 8 teams in a region then seed them for the playoffs. That way the strong districts would play deeper in the playoffs. Should get some of the weaker teams out in the first round

[DSRfan]

This will always be a debate. There is always the factor that one District is tougher than
another. Or you have a 4 seed better than a 2 or 3 seed from an opposing District. Just
saying that it is a hard debate... Look at 3A Powell. 4th Seed D5 and playing in the
Regional Final with a blowout of a 1st Seed. The changes can be made and the debate
will start all over....

One area having more good teams than another, in a class is something that
CANNOT be controlled. Setting up dozens of teams for first rd. humiliation
IS. Or at least it can be greatly ameliorated. You can't always tell
when a 4 win team is better than a 9 win team that played a soft schedule.
It's pretty easy to tell that a team that couldn't win a single game
in their district(or only 1 of 4[and possibly didn't win a game at all])
isn't very good.

[DSRfan]

How about taking the 8 teams in a region then seed them for the playoffs. That way the strong districts would play deeper in the playoffs. Should get some of the weaker teams out in the first round

How do you seed them without having them all pay a 7 game round robin schedule? Though that would be step in the right direction. Having regions
without districts and letting in only the top 4 finishers accomplishes
much the same thing, with the added bonus of helping to eliminate
more of the strong verus weak district problem. Any way to get down
to only 32 teams per class instead of 64 will be a move in the right
direction.

[footballfever]

The theme has always been if you want to compete with the good teams then work harder, get better. Well if you dont want to be a 4 seed going to get beaten badly by a 1 seed then work harder, get better. Or, you could always go for the let them forfeit if they don't want to go play. Do you think there would have been ANY that would have chose that this year?
I like the 6 classes and 4 making the playoffs. I dont think there is ANYWAY to fix it and make all happy.
I guarantee there is no 4 seed this year that when season started that didn't think they could be a 1 or 2 seed and get a home playoff game.
If you go to 4 classes, 8 teams in district or top 2 in 6 classes I think alot of schools will start seeing participation decrease.

[nky]

How do you seed them without having them all pay a 7 game round robin schedule? Though that would be step in the right direction. Having regions
without districts and letting in only the top 4 finishers accomplishes
much the same thing, with the added bonus of helping to eliminate
more of the strong versus weak district problem. Any way to get down
to only 32 teams per class instead of 64 will be a move in the right
direction.

use a computer ranking system there are a few of them out there. One that takes into account strenght of schedule. This would force teams to play better team instead of padding their schedule

[Stardust]

Good lord, it seems like I have written this a 1,000 times:

The playoff system that we have today was for one purpose and one purpose ONLY - as NKY said, $$$$ But there is more to the story

First off, if you have issues with the system, IT IS NOT KHSAA. KHSAA is a governing body made up by YOUR school!

The playoffs as we have them today is specific to the financial shortfalls that Kentucky schools now have. The process of including every team in the playoffs is for the revenue that is generated by the one additional game to fund the Non-Profit sports (again) IN YOUR SCHOOL! Without the payday of this one additional game, schools throughout Kentucky were going to have to shut down programs such as their golf teams.

So, let me please ask this question that I have asked the 1,000 times that I have written this, Do you want to eliminate the additional playoff football games to get QUALITY? Or - Can you handle a couple of weeks of bad football in order to keep youth IN YOUR SCHOOL active in sports that otherwise would be disbanded?

You can be selfish and want quality, or be understanding and want quantity! It's your call!

As for blowouts - this week was a 2nd round game - Does anyone truly believe that Johnson Central did not deserve to be in the playoffs???? From all the complaining that has been done about the FIX needed to avoid blowouts, then JC should never have even been in the playoffs.

My final comment - If you do not like the system, then please complain to those who made this system - YOUR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, the one who voted this in! It is YOUR school that put this in place, not the mythical KHSAA!

[nky]

^or Franklin Co, or Owen Co

[nky]

Shot I just paid $30 to watch an hour and half cross country race and I'd do it again tomorrow to watch the fun the kids had. In the end It's about being able to play a year from now or 10 years from now these players will forget the score but remember they made the playoffs their senior year

[nky]

besides it would get real boring around here if you cut two weeks off the football season:eyeroll:

[Willie Turnover]

AT LEAST ITS BETTER THAN THE BCS SYSTEM THAT COLLEGE HAS.

Also wasn't their alot of blowouts in last years state finals

[DSRfan]

The theme has always been if you want to compete with the good teams then work harder, get better. Well if you dont want to be a 4 seed going to get beaten badly by a 1 seed then work harder, get better. Or, you could always go for the let them forfeit if they don't want to go play. Do you think there would have been ANY that would have chose that this year?
I like the 6 classes and 4 making the playoffs. I dont think there is ANYWAY to fix it and make all happy.
I guarantee there is no 4 seed this year that when season started that didn't think they could be a 1 or 2 seed and get a home playoff game.
If you go to 4 classes, 8 teams in district or top 2 in 6 classes I think alot of schools will start seeing participation decrease.

You're undermining your own argument. No one is participating because they think they can be a 4 seed and get their brains beaten out. As you
said, they think they can be a 1 or a 2 and get a home playoff game.
If we went back to the old system, kids couldn't get to the end of
the year and UNPARTICIPATE if they didn't get a playoff berth.
Reducing playoff entries would have no affect on participation.

[LWC]

Take the top three teams, give the district winners a 1st round bye. However, to keep the same amount of games, add an addition regular season game or district regular season game. Same amount of games played, less travel expense and less monstrous blowouts.

[footballfever]

You're undermining your own argument. No one is participating because they think they can be a 4 seed and get their brains beaten out. As you
said, they think they can be a 1 or a 2 and get a home playoff game.
If we went back to the old system, kids couldn't get to the end of
the year and UNPARTICIPATE if they didn't get a playoff berth.
Reducing playoff entries would have no affect on participation.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic in my 1st statement. As you see I said I like the 6 classes 4 making playoffs.

[DSRfan]

The playoffs as we have them today is specific to the financial shortfalls that Kentucky schools now have. The process of including every team in the playoffs is for the revenue that is generated by the one additional game to fund the Non-Profit sports (again) IN YOUR SCHOOL! Without the payday of this one additional game, schools throughout Kentucky were going to have to shut down programs such as their golf teams.

So, let me please ask this question that I have asked the 1,000 times that I have written this, Do you want to eliminate the additional playoff football games to get QUALITY? Or - Can you handle a couple of weeks of bad football in order to keep youth IN YOUR SCHOOL active in sports that otherwise would be disbanded?

You can be selfish and want quality, or be understanding and want quantity! It's your call!


My final comment - If you do not like the system, then please complain to those who made this system - YOUR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, the one who voted this in! It is YOUR school that put this in place, not the mythical KHSAA![/QUOTE]

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NONE of your arguments hold water. The added expenses of "one
more game" will in almost every instance eat up any money made.
The football playoffs are NOT funding any other sports. And you
are sadly deluding yourself if you think any of the handful of
schools that manage to make a little money off the post season, are doing anything other than putting it back in the football program.

As for quantity or quality, that is NOT what MY arguement is about.
Far from being selfish, I AM actually trying to think about the
kids. I can't believe there's ANY kid in Ky. that dreams about
playing football to be a 4 seed, and take a long bus ride in
November to get their brains beaten out in a game they
CAN NOT WIN. And what about seniors on such teams?
Is it "unselfish" to allow them mto devote themselves to
4 years of football practice and play, and let their last
memory of h.s. ball be a 50 point embarassment?

More people need to complain EVERYWHERE to EVERYONE about this.
That's the only way we're going to get the school administrators
to wake up and CHANGE the system.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Did i not just write a thread about this last night about complainers and whiners like this guy.
Get over it.
I for one enjoy the 15 weeks of high school football a year.
Guys like you act like we should play 10 games a year with the 11th being a state championship.

Stardust nailed it...ITS NOT THE KHSAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

If you got a problem with the way things are done go tell your schools athletic director to remove you from the khsaa and start your own league. See how that works out for you.

[DSRfan]

Take the top three teams, give the district winners a 1st round bye. However, to keep the same amount of games, add an addition regular season game or district regular season game. Same amount of games played, less travel expense and less monstrous blowouts.

This is what I think of our opinion. It's the PERFECT solution.
Teams have latititude in regular season scheduling, and have
a much better chance of scheduling competitive 11th games,
than of gettign competitive 1st rd playoff matchups

Though somehow I WOULD like to see them get the Title
games back to Thanksgiving weekend. That's just so much
more reasonable. So many more people have time off, and
there's no need to miss school on any day since everyone
is off for the holiday.

[BADCAT74]

Shot I just paid $30 to watch an hour and half cross country race and I'd do it again tomorrow to watch the fun the kids had. In the end It's about being able to play a year from now or 10 years from now these players will forget the score but remember they made the playoffs their senior year

Yeah great? the same playoffs all but a handful of Ky teams DIDN'T make. Not much of a memory? IMO. I would much rather earn my way out of each district, than be basically automatic if there's only 4 teams in a district? Makes no sense an appears to be a big joke when compared to states like Ohios playoff system they actually earn there spot. if you don't make it in ohio an your team was 8-2 or 7-3 which happens sometimes in ohio then work harder next year play a tougher schedule. Imo

[DSRfan]

besides it would get real boring around here if you cut two weeks off the football season:eyeroll:

Or you COULD get the basketball season started a little earlier.
Once upon a time people in KY used to like to watch a little roundball
as well, and it was something more than a 2 month truncated
adjunct to football. Not a bad idea too since winters seem
to be gettign worse again, and more teams are losing more
games to weather.

[DSRfan]

Did i not just write a thread about this last night about complainers and whiners like this guy.
Get over it.
I for one enjoy the 15 weeks of high school football a year.
Guys like you act like we should play 10 games a year with the 11th being a state championship.

Stardust nailed it...ITS NOT THE KHSAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

If you got a problem with the way things are done go tell your schools athletic director to remove you from the khsaa and start your own league. See how that works out for you.

Or YOU could stop complaining and whining when others want to
IMPROVE something. Just a thought.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Or YOU could stop complaining and whining when others want to
IMPROVE something. Just a thought.

Thats just it ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!!!

What do you not understand about that?
Its not the KHSAA.
Read Stardust Post and youll understand that because im not going to type it again.

PLEASE oh PLEASE write a letter to your Athletic Director and tell him you want out of the KHSAA.

[ky_boy]

New here, so hope you will read. And I realize there
was already a thread about this, but last night reinforced it.

KHSAA playoffs NEED CONTRACTION in the worst way.

First round saw 52 gmaes with a 30+ point margin.
35 teams scored 50+
16 teams scord 60+
4 scored 70+

St. X, which lost to Trinity by 35, beat Nelson Co. 72-0.

Last night in round 2, 23 more games were decided by 30+.
15 more teams scored 50+
4 more teams scored 60+

Now I will admit that these second round margins are a little
more atypical, but not a lot. And that doesn't change the
par for the course amount of 1st rd slaughters. It was bad enough
under the 4 class system when 4 teams per district made
the post season. With 6 classes, a shocking number of
these total mismatches are all but guaranteed.

Commissioner Tackett has shown zero interest in contraction
of either the classes, or the playoff entries per district. But
both should, and fewer entries must, come about if we don't
want our playoffs to continue to be a joke until the 3rd round.
And in these tough economic times, what logic is there in having
these programs incur the added costs of travel, etc. for games that
so many have no chance to win? And it gives no benefit to the
winners either, who must guard against injury in meaningless games,
and who can't get decent competition to help prepare them
for games down the line.

Just stay home for a couple of weekends. Don't read the paper and pretend that only the the top two in the region make the playoffs.

[DSRfan]

Thats just it ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!!!

What do you not understand about that?
Its not the KHSAA.
Read Stardust Post and youll understand that because im not going to type it again.

PLEASE oh PLEASE write a letter to your Athletic Director and tell him you want out of the KHSAA.

Guess you didn't read Mike Fields last week. LOTS of sentiment
amongst several coaches to contract. Economics are also going to
start factoring too as school systems look to save every dime.
Administrators are going to start looking kindly on NOT paying
out the bill to transport teams and feed and do the laundry
etc. for another week when there's no realistic chance to
win.

Also, I haven't been complaining about the KHSAA. I guess
I did say the "KHSAA needs to contract playoffs". But I'm not
blaming them for the system. Though the influence flowing
FROM them to the schools is greater than you seem to realize.

[DSRfan]

Just stay home for a couple of weekends. Don't read the paper and pretend that only the the top two in the region make the playoffs.

Personally, I can CHOOSE to go somewhere there should be a competitive
game. What I do myself, does NOTHING to address a bad situation
for far too many schools.

[nky]

The sytem is fine it doesn't need to be changed. I like the idea of a cinderella team 4 seed upsetting a 1 seed in the first round. or even a 3 seed taking out a 2. That's why we play the game. Did your team get beat bad this weekend or something?

[nky]

A team could easily forfeit the first round if they don't want to lose by 50+. Did anyone do that? Did any team not want to play the game? And once you get into the second round you earned that by winning in the first round. Ludlow had no chance in beating Beechwood last night but they didn't back down they played the game because they earned the right to play a 12th game.