[Hoot Gibson]

Harry Reid would not send Obama's budget to the Senate floor for a vote, so Republicans did it themselves.

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Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate

President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year.

Republicans forced the vote by offering the president's plan on the Senate floor.

Democrats disputed that it was actually the president's plan, arguing that the slim amendment didn't actually match Mr. Obama's budget document, which ran thousands of pages. But Republicans said they used all of the president's numbers in the proposal, so it faithfully represented his plan.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican, even challenged Democrats to point out any errors in the numbers and he would correct them — a challenge no Democrats took up.
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[TheRealVille]

So it's the Senate not passing a budget? You can't get a budget passed if it get's blocked at every turn.

[Hoot Gibson]

So it's the Senate not passing a budget? You can't get a budget passed if it get's blocked at every turn.

:biglmao: The Obama budget got zero votes from Democrats in the Senate and zero votes from Democrats in the House, so who are you blaming for blocking it? Please shed some light on this subject. Bear in mind that it only takes a simple majority of votes to pass a budget in the Senate and Democrats have the majority there. Why are they not complying with the law and passing a budget?

[SKINNYPIG]

This is all George Bush's fault!

[OrangenowBlue]

I guess he is now singing " I got 99 problems but the b@#ch ain't one".

[TheRealThing]

So it's the Senate not passing a budget? You can't get a budget passed if it get's blocked at every turn.

Are you as sure about this statement as you are this one;


"All I have said is Treyvon was walking in a neighborhood, legally, Zimmerman stalked and killed him, even after the police told him not to follow him. These are the facts."



Or how about this one, it's one of my all time favorites;



"There is zero proof that the kid was attacking him. None. Not one mark on either body. If you shot someone without provocation, I would assume you would make up some self defense story also."

[WideRight05]

Man, millions and millions of people elected this guy in office. They ELECTED somebody that couldn't put together a budget. My degrees are in accounting and finance, I bet even I could get more than 0 votes lol. That is pathetic. And people VOTE for this guy.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I would assume that thousands of freshmen accounting majors could get more than 0 votes.

[WideRight05]

^ Hahahaha you're right!

[TheRealVille]

"Democrats disputed that it was actually the president's plan, arguing that the slim amendment didn't actually match Mr. Obama's budget document, which ran thousands of pages. But Republicans said they used all of the president's numbers in the proposal, so it faithfully represented his plan."

Do you actually think the republicans used the President's numbers? If they did, why didn't they just run the President's actual plan up for a vote? Your little BGR lap dogs might not read all of what your link says, but some of us don't.

[TheRealVille]

"Democrats disputed that it was actually the president's plan, arguing that the slim amendment didn't actually match Mr. Obama's budget document, which ran thousands of pages. But Republicans said they used all of the president's numbers in the proposal, so it faithfully represented his plan."

Do you actually think the republicans used the President's numbers? If they did, why didn't they just run the President's actual plan up for a vote? Your little BGR lap dogs might not read all of what your link says, but some of us don't.

do

[Hoot Gibson]

"Democrats disputed that it was actually the president's plan, arguing that the slim amendment didn't actually match Mr. Obama's budget document, which ran thousands of pages. But Republicans said they used all of the president's numbers in the proposal, so it faithfully represented his plan."

Do you actually think the republicans used the President's numbers? If they did, why didn't they just run the President's actual plan up for a vote? Your little BGR lap dogs might not read all of what your link says, but some of us don't.

Who is blocking fhe Democrats from voting on the long version of Obama's budget? LET's see some names, Rv.:hilarious:

The truth is that Democrats have decided that they are better off politically to continue not doing the jobs that they were elected to do. They are counting on voters like you not caring.

[LWC]

I have always heard and been told that the truth is always in the middle.

Take the Rep stance and the Dem stance, create a middle-ground, and it probably the right answers. Usually always is.

[vector]

I have always heard and been told that the truth is always in the middle.

Take the Rep stance and the Dem stance, create a middle-ground, and it probably the right answers. Usually always is.


you'll never get the crazy's go to the middle

[Hoot Gibson]

I have always heard and been told that the truth is always in the middle.

Take the Rep stance and the Dem stance, create a middle-ground, and it probably the right answers. Usually always is.

You either misunderstood the message or the people who told you this were mistaken.

I agree that in politics, the best course is usually somewhere between the two most extreme positions - but this is not one of those cases. This is a clear cut case where one side is right and the other one is wrong.

1. Federal law requires the U.S. Senate to pass a budget annually. The Senate has ignored that requirement. There is no in between position here. The Senate is not doing the job that its members were elected and took an oath to perform.

2. Nothing whatsoever is stopping Senate Democrats from presenting their own, or the unabridged copy of Obama's budget and forcing a vote on it. This is an indisputable fact. Republicans forced the members of the Senate to vote on Obama's budget and they are the minority party. Anybody who says or implies that Republicans are blocking the Obama budget are lying or talking from an extreme position of ignorance.

3. Obama's budget was defeated by a 99-0 vote. You can, as the Democrats have, argue that the document that Republicans presented for a vote was not the full plan that Obama presented but Democrats refused to offer amendments to the bill and they made no effort to substitute their own version of the budget.

4. Republicans in the House have passed budgets, as required by federal law. Again, this is a black and white issue - it is not necessary to debate whether this is a fact or not because it is a matter of public record.

It is obvious to me why Democrats are refusing to pass a budget. They count on people like you just assuming that both parties are lying about the budget. That refusal to discern the facts about the budget mess and looming economic disaster works in Democrats' favor, including Obama's. If Obama wanted a vote on the budget, then he would be pressuring Harry Reid to put it to a vote. Instead, Obama and the Democrats will spend the months leading up to the election attacking cuts in the budget that Republicans passed through the House.

If you have an alternate theory of why Democrats have not put their own budget forward, I would love to hear it. I would also like to hear you explain how the failure of Democrats to pass a budget in the Senate is in any way the fault of Republicans, who control only the House.

[TheRealVille]

You either misunderstood the message or the people who told you this were mistaken.

I agree that in politics, the best course is usually somewhere between the two most extreme positions - but this is not one of those cases. This is a clear cut case where one side is right and the other one is wrong.

1. Federal law requires the U.S. Senate to pass a budget annually. The Senate has ignored that requirement. There is no in between position here. The Senate is not doing the job that its members were elected and took an oath to perform.

2. Nothing whatsoever is stopping Senate Democrats from presenting their own, or the unabridged copy of Obama's budget and forcing a vote on it. This is an indisputable fact. Republicans forced the members of the Senate to vote on Obama's budget and they are the minority party. Anybody who says or implies that Republicans are blocking the Obama budget are lying or talking from an extreme position of ignorance.

3. Obama's budget was defeated by a 99-0 vote. You can, as the Democrats have, argue that the document that Republicans presented for a vote was not the full plan that Obama presented but Democrats refused to offer amendments to the bill and they made no effort to substitute their own version of the budget.

4. Republicans in the House have passed budgets, as required by federal law. Again, this is a black and white issue - it is not necessary to debate whether this is a fact or not because it is a matter of public record.

It is obvious to me why Democrats are refusing to pass a budget. They count on people like you just assuming that both parties are lying about the budget. That refusal to discern the facts about the budget mess and looming economic disaster works in Democrats' favor, including Obama's. If Obama wanted a vote on the budget, then he would be pressuring Harry Reid to put it to a vote. Instead, Obama and the Democrats will spend the months leading up to the election attacking cuts in the budget that Republicans passed through the House.

If you have an alternate theory of why Democrats have not put their own budget forward, I would love to hear it. I would also like to hear you explain how the failure of Democrats to pass a budget in the Senate is in any way the fault of Republicans, who control only the House.

It wasn't Obama's budget, it was the "republican version" of Obama's budget.

[Hoot Gibson]

It wasn't Obama's budget, it was the "republican version" of Obama's budget.

Yeah, I know - I explained that in the sentence following the one that you highlighted. Thank you for clarifying that point and ignoring every other point that I made.

Why don't Democrats vote on the "Democratic" version of the budget? Why is Obama not insisting that the budget that he submitted to a Democrat-controlled Senate get a vote?

Answer: Democrats do not want to defend a $trillion+ budget in an election year. They want to spend the next few months attacking the Paul Ryan budget instead of doing their job.

[Amun-Ra]

Here is Obama's planned budget in a graphic per NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/new...ex.html?hp

And here is some info on the "99-0" defeat of Obama's budget.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-it-m...ate-2012-5

[TheRealVille]

Here is Obama's planned budget in a graphic per NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/new...ex.html?hp

And here is some info on the "99-0" defeat of Obama's budget.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-it-m...ate-2012-5

But Amun-Ra, that flies in the face of the group, "Hoot and the Twisters".

[TheRealVille]

Yeah, I know - I explained that in the sentence following the one that you highlighted. Thank you for clarifying that point and ignoring every other point that I made.

Why don't Democrats vote on the "Democratic" version of the budget? Why is Obama not insisting that the budget that he submitted to a Democrat-controlled Senate get a vote?

Answer: Democrats do not want to defend a $trillion+ budget in an election year. They want to spend the next few months attacking the Paul Ryan budget instead of doing their job.

If it was only up to the senate democrats to pass a budget, it would be passed long ago, considering they have a majority there. It takes more than them.

[Hoot Gibson]

But Amun-Ra, that flies in the face of the group, "Hoot and the Twisters".

No, I pointed out that the budget was not the one that Obama submitted. You have some nerve accusing anybody of "twisting." I seem to recall a long exchange that you recently had in another thread where you claimed that the Senate had passed a budget. Do you remember? Not even Obama and Harry Reid are trying to sell that whopper.

[TheRealVille]

No, I pointed out that the budget was not the one that Obama submitted. You have some nerve accusing anybody of "twisting." I seem to recall a long exchange that you recently had in another thread where you claimed that the Senate had passed a budget. Do you remember? Not even Obama and Harry Reid are trying to sell that whopper.

Is it just up to the Senate to pass a budget? Do they control it? Why call it Obama's budget if you know it isn't?

[Hoot Gibson]

Is it just up to the Senate to pass a budget? Do they control it? Why call it Obama's budget if you know it isn't?

Congress is required to pass a budget. The House has passed one and the ball is in the Senate's court. I don't know whether the budget that failed 99-0 was an accurate reflection of Obama's budget or not. What I do know is that Republicans represented it as such and challenged the Democrats to bring any inaccuracies to their attention and the Democrats declined. I also know that nothing is stopping Democrats from passing their own bill in the Senate.

Why did you claim that the Senate had passed a budget and deny that it had failed to do so for more than 1,000 days - despite being advised of that fact repeatedly?

The only important fact to take from this debate is that Democrats do not want a budget to pass before the November election, while Republicans have proposed a budget and are rightly pressuring Democrats to come to the bargaining table. Granted, Harry Reid has already said that he has no intention of voting on a budget this year, and IMO, that makes this a serious campaign issue.

I don't think that the Democrats's strategy of attacking the Ryan budget while refusing to make their own proposal is going to fly.

[TheRealVille]

Congress is required to pass a budget. The House has passed one and the ball is in the Senate's court. I don't know whether the budget that failed 99-0 was an accurate reflection of Obama's budget or not. What I do know is that Republicans represented it as such and challenged the Democrats to bring any inaccuracies to their attention and the Democrats declined. I also know that nothing is stopping Democrats from passing their own bill in the Senate.

Why did you claim that the Senate had passed a budget and deny that it had failed to do so for more than 1,000 days - despite being advised of that fact repeatedly?

The only important fact to take from this debate is that Democrats do not want a budget to pass before the November election, while Republicans have proposed a budget and are rightly pressuring Democrats to come to the bargaining table. Granted, Harry Reid has already said that he has no intention of voting on a budget this year, and IMO, that makes this a serious campaign issue.

I don't think that the Democrats's strategy of attacking the Ryan budget while refusing to make their own proposal is going to fly.

The House passed a "republican" budget.

[Truth]

What is a major difference between a Romney voter and an Obama voter?

The typical Romney voter signs checks on the front. The typical Obama voter signs checks on the back.

I just heard this from a college professor and I believe he has hit the nail on the head and that is a concern. We have more taking handouts than paying the bills. And guess who the non-contibutors will vote for?

[TheRealVille]

What is a major difference between a Romney voter and an Obama voter?

The typical Romney voter signs checks on the front. The typical Obama voter signs checks on the back.

I just heard this from a college professor and I believe he has hit the nail on the head and that is a concern. We have more taking handouts than paying the bills. And guess who the non-contibutors will vote for?

The working person that draws a check is the typical Obama voter? They sign checks on the back. I sign checks on both sides, and am an Obama voter.

[Truth]

The working person that draws a check is the typical Obama voter? They sign checks on the back. I sign checks on both sides, and am an Obama voter.

Wrong again. The typical Obama voter pays no income taxes and lives off the rest of us who do contribute to the system. Truth is truth. How can you doubt it?
By the way, this professor, a professor of business and economics, also reminded me that poor people don't create jobs. Again, absolutely true.

[TheRealVille]

Wrong again. The typical Obama voter pays no income taxes and lives off the rest of us who do contribute to the system. Truth is truth. How can you doubt it?
By the way, this professor, a professor of business and economics, also reminded me that poor people don't create jobs. Again, absolutely true.

You said Obama supporters sign the back of a check. That takes in a lot of working people.

[Hoot Gibson]

The House passed a "republican" budget.

The House passed a budget. The Senate has not passed a budget since 2009 and Democrats have held the majority of seats the entire time. It has been a long time since a single Democrat even voted for a budget.

Face it, the Democratic Party is the undisputed champion of fiscal irresponsibility. Aside from passing the very unpopular Obamacare bill, Democrats are the do-nothing party and in a few weeks, even that "accomplishment" may be erased. Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats will be remembered more for what they failed to do than what they did.

[Hoot Gibson]

You said Obama supporters sign the back of a check. That takes in a lot of working people.

Most Obama supporters sign the back of checks that their Uncle Sam writes.