[nky]

Fromer President Clinton broke from the current democratic talking points about the "evil" workings of Bain Capital and said this as far as Romney goes

Clinton said there was no question Romney was capable of performing the "essential functions of the office."
"The man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold," Clinton said.
Unlike some fellow Democrats, Clinton acknowledged Romney's time at Bain Capital formed a "good business career." He also acknowledged that the nature of private equity meant some companies inevitably fail.
"There is a lot of controversy about that," Clinton told guest host Harvey Weinstein, who has raised millions of dollars for Obama's campaign. "But if you go in and you try to save a failing company, and you and I have friends here who invest in companies, you can invest in a company, run up the debt, loot it, sell all the assets, and force all the people to lose their retirement and fire them."
The former president continued, "Or you can go into a company, have cutbacks, try to make it more productive with the purpose of saving it. And when you try, like anything else you try, you don't always succeed."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...-sterling/

[LWC]

I am a Clinton fan, so if this is legit, it helps me lean farther towards Romney than I already was.

My vote is 60% Romney, 40% Donald Duck (no joke, I would right that name in). If my support gets to 75% for a real candidate, they will get my vote, otherwise it is Donald Duck.

[nky]

It was part of a larger speech given by President Clinton last Thursday in Wisconsin

[TheRealVille]

You will never see Clinton back Romney in the election.

Former President Clinton Says Romney Had ‘Sterling Business Career’ But Argues Obama Proposals Superior


On CNN last night, former President Bill Clinton was asked by fill-in host Harvey Weinstein about the Obama campaign’s attacks on Mitt Romney’s tenure as head of private equity firm Bain Capital.
“Governor Romney keeps talking about his experience at Bain Capital as a producer of jobs and that he had 25 years in the private sector,” Weinstein said. “It seems to play with a certain group, but do you think that really will affect people and think that he can produce jobs that the president can’t?”
“I think it will affect some people who relate well to businessmen,” Clinton said, “and I think he had a good business career. There is a lot of controversy about that. But if you go in and you try to save a failing company, and you and I have friends here who invest in companies, you can invest in a company, run up the debt, loot it, sell all the assets, and force all the people to lose their retirement and fire them. Or you can go into a company, have cutbacks, try to make it more productive with the purpose of saving it. And when you try, like anything else you try, you don’t always succeed. Not every movie you made was a smash hit.”
“That’s for sure,” said Weinstein.
“So I don’t think that we ought to get into the position where we say ‘This is bad work, this is good work,’” Clinton continued. “I think, however, the real issue ought to be, what has Governor Romney advocated in the campaign that he will do as president? What has President Obama done and what does he propose to do? How do these things stack up against each other?
“That’s the most relevant thing. There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, the man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold,” the former president concluded. “But they have dramatically different proposals. And it’s my opinion, anyway, that the Obama proposals and the Obama record will be far better for the American economy and most Americans than those that Governor Romney has laid out. And that’s what the election ought to be about.”


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...-superior/

[LWC]

^That makes more sense.

[Wildcatk23]

So wait a Republican tried to twist Clinton's words? Shocking!

[TheRealVille]

So wait a Republican tried to twist Clinton's words? Shocking!

Who would have thought? :biggrin:

[Hoot Gibson]

Clinton, like several other high profile Democrats was just signaling to Obama that his dishonest attacks on Romney are unfair and ineffective. Clinton knows that a campaign against capitalism, given the failure of Obama to effectively deal with the recession, is a losing strategy. Bill Clinton is not going to abandon his party but Bill (not Hillary) is a capitalist and he understands that Obama is spewing nonsense about Bain.

I am not sure that Bill really wants Obama to win the election. Hillary's chances of being elected in 2016 will be much better if she puts some distance between Obama and herself - the sooner the better - although I think people have had their fill of socialism.

[Old School]

I am a Clinton fan, so if this is legit, it helps me lean farther towards Romney than I already was.

My vote is 60% Romney, 40% Donald Duck (no joke, I would right that name in). If my support gets to 75% for a real candidate, they will get my vote, otherwise it is Donald Duck.

I find it heartbreaking to see a man of god, waste his vote on Donald Duck rather than to help vote a man out of office who encourages illegalization of abortions and same sex marriages.

[Wildcatk23]

I find it heartbreaking to see a man of god, waste his vote on Donald Duck rather than to help vote a man out of office who encourages illegalization of abortions and same sex marriages.

Romney supports what ever will get him voted in. Like every other politician. Romney flips everyday on where he stands!

[Hoot Gibson]

Romney supports what ever will get him voted in. Like every other politician. Romney flips everyday on where he stands!

You mean like Obama flipped twice on gay marriage?

[Wildcatk23]

You mean like Obama flipped twice on gay marriage?

You missed the every politician part didn't you?

[Hoot Gibson]

I find it heartbreaking to see a man of god, waste his vote on Donald Duck rather than to help vote a man out of office who encourages illegalization of abortions and same sex marriages.

Obama has not only supported unrestricted abortion, he actively promoted infanticide of born alive survivors of botched abortions while he was in the Illinois state senate.

It is hard to understand how religious people can support such a sinister character, and listening to Republican politicians (including Romney) refer to Obama as a "good" or "likable" man turns my stomach. What kind of "good man" thinks that hospitals should have the right to allow an infant to die in agony in a closet?

[Hoot Gibson]

You missed the every politician part didn't you?

No, and I did not miss the fact that you mentioned Romney twice by name either.

[vector]

You missed the every politician part didn't you?

hoot misses alot of things

[LWC]

I find it heartbreaking to see a man of god, waste his vote on Donald Duck rather than to help vote a man out of office who encourages illegalization of abortions and same sex marriages.

I honestly get tired of all the "I am so sad" "I am shocked" "I am horrified" talk about me not being a die-hard member of the G.O.P. There are good Christian people that are either Democrats, Independents or maybe even right-leaning.

Democrats and Independents do stand for many things, just because a person is one or the other does NOT mean they support abortion and/or gay marriage.

I do tend to lean right on those issues, but there are many other things that make me lean a little left as well. No, I do not support Obama for any reason other than the fact that he is the current president. I do NOT want him in office again. However, I will not blindly vote for another candidate just because "He isn't Obama". Who knows? Romney could be awful. He could be just as bad as Obama.

Frankly, "I am so sad" "I am shocked" and "I am horrified" that many members of the BGR political forum would vote for someone blindly just because they are from a particular party or because their name is not Obama.

I do not mean to speak so harshly, and this is not intended at the person I am quoting specifically. This post just speaks to the overall tone of this forum.

Over the last 8 years it seems as if, in Kentucky, if you are a Republican then you lean so far to the right that you lose your balance: literally and figuratively. In doing so, it causes people like me, that do still lean a little more right than left, to appear as a full-fledged Democrat. I have voted for Democrats and Republicans before. I will probably vote across party lines again in the future. When I move, in 3 weeks, I will register as an Independent again. The whole world probably knows why.

[Hoot Gibson]

I honestly get tired of all the "I am so sad" "I am shocked" "I am horrified" talk about me not being a die-hard member of the G.O.P. There are good Christian people that are either Democrats, Independents or maybe even right-leaning.

Democrats and Independents do stand for many things, just because a person is one or the other does NOT mean they support abortion and/or gay marriage.

I do tend to lean right on those issues, but there are many other things that make me lean a little left as well. No, I do not support Obama for any reason other than the fact that he is the current president. I do NOT want him in office again. However, I will not blindly vote for another candidate just because "He isn't Obama". Who knows? Romney could be awful. He could be just as bad as Obama.

Frankly, "I am so sad" "I am shocked" and "I am horrified" that many members of the BGR political forum would vote for someone blindly just because they are from a particular party or because their name is not Obama.

I do not mean to speak so harshly, and this is not intended at the person I am quoting specifically. This post just speaks to the overall tone of this forum.

Over the last 8 years it seems as if, in Kentucky, if you are a Republican then you lean so far to the right that you lose your balance: literally and figuratively. In doing so, it causes people like me, that do still lean a little more right than left, to appear as a full-fledged Democrat. I have voted for Democrats and Republicans before. I will probably vote across party lines again in the future. When I move, in 3 weeks, I will register as an Independent again. The whole world probably knows why.

What must a candidate do to prompt you to cast a vote against him or her? I don't know of any non-Mormons who plan to vote for Romney because of his religion. This election is not about religion and straight party voters will not decide its outcome. This election will be a referendum on Obama's record and it should be obvious by now to any objective observer that the economy is not recovering.

Whatever faults Romney has, it is crystal clear that he has a solid grasp on basics of capitalist economics - and a socialist is not what this country needs to restore a healthy business climate in this country. There will be many Democrats voting for Romney this fall. Despite Romney's claims, he is no conservative - but Obama is a radical socialist and he always has been. Obama has had his shot at restoring confidence in our economy and restoring fiscal sanity to Washington and he has failed.

You are naive if you think that Romney could possibly do a worse job than Obama has done. We are most likely headed into another recession, and possibly a real depression - even if we send Obama packing in November. More of the same is just not going to cut it.

I am confident that Obama will lose in November, with or without your vote, and I fear what damage Obama and the Democratically-controlled Senate will do to this country before Romney takes office.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[LWC]

^Fair post.

To answer your question: I never vote AGAINST anyone. I will vote FOR a candidate or just write in an occasional Disney character. I understand the reasoning for voting against a candidate and would do so if most of my political beliefs lined up with 1 party. In that case I would be voting for my parties candidate as opposed to voting against someone.

[Hoot Gibson]

^Fair post.

To answer your question: I never vote AGAINST anyone. I will vote FOR a candidate or just write in an occasional Disney character. I understand the reasoning for voting against a candidate and would do so if most of my political beliefs lined up with 1 party. In that case I would be voting for my parties candidate as opposed to voting against someone.

So, no matter how bad a candidate is, you would not vote against him or her? That is amazing if true. Bill Clinton was a saint in comparison to Obama. If Obama was running as a Republican, I would not hesitate to vote for his Democratic opponent.

Hundreds of millions of people have died because of policies that socialists like Obama have implemented in this century. I cannot imagine not voting against a Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, or Chavez if I had a chance. Although I am not equating Obama with those monsters, he shares more of their political beliefs than he shares with our country's founders.

We will never have a perfect man or woman running for political office, so if you are philosophically opposed to voting for the lesser of two evils, then why even register to vote? Surely you do not believe that voting for Donald Duck fulfills any sort of moral obligation as an American citizens to participate in elections.

Writing in the name of a cartoon character on a ballot sounds like something that a child voting in an election for a 6th grade class president would do.

[Old School]

I honestly get tired of all the "I am so sad" "I am shocked" "I am horrified" talk about me not being a die-hard member of the G.O.P. There are good Christian people that are either Democrats, Independents or maybe even right-leaning.

Democrats and Independents do stand for many things, just because a person is one or the other does NOT mean they support abortion and/or gay marriage.

I do tend to lean right on those issues, but there are many other things that make me lean a little left as well. No, I do not support Obama for any reason other than the fact that he is the current president. I do NOT want him in office again. However, I will not blindly vote for another candidate just because "He isn't Obama". Who knows? Romney could be awful. He could be just as bad as Obama.

Frankly, "I am so sad" "I am shocked" and "I am horrified" that many members of the BGR political forum would vote for someone blindly just because they are from a particular party or because their name is not Obama.

I do not mean to speak so harshly, and this is not intended at the person I am quoting specifically. This post just speaks to the overall tone of this forum.

Over the last 8 years it seems as if, in Kentucky, if you are a Republican then you lean so far to the right that you lose your balance: literally and figuratively. In doing so, it causes people like me, that do still lean a little more right than left, to appear as a full-fledged Democrat. I have voted for Democrats and Republicans before. I will probably vote across party lines again in the future. When I move, in 3 weeks, I will register as an Independent again. The whole world probably knows why.

I did not say anything about you not being a die-hard member of the G.O.P. and I really don’t care what party you are affiliated with or how left or right leaning you are.

I just don’t understand how a man of god, would not use his voting powers to remove Obama from office, when he encourages abortions and gay marriage and is in a position to possibly change the laws.

While you won’t vote blindly for any candidate, you are willing to vote for Donald Duck. Sure, Romney could be a terrible president, but we know what type of president we have in Obama, and I’m more than willing to take that chance with Romney, but apparently you are willing to take your chances with Donald Duck.

Romney is not my first choice for president, so I don’t think of myself as blindly voting for Romney, it’s just seeing how Obama and his administration have conducted themselves during the past three years.

FYI, you are not the only one who switches parties. I also vote for both parties and have done so on many occasions.

[TheRealVille]

I find it heartbreaking to see a man of god, waste his vote on Donald Duck rather than to help vote a man out of office who encourages illegalization of abortions and same sex marriages.

I love to see people bring religion into politics. You think Jesus was a republican? You might want to read about Jesus. Republicans brought you abortion, and continue to keep abortion legal.

[Hoot Gibson]

I love to see people bring religion into politics. You think Jesus was a republican? You might want to read about Jesus. Republicans brought you abortion, and continue to keep abortion legal.

These are the kind of idiotic claims that make it such a waste of time trying to engage you in any serious discussion. Abortions predate the modern Republican Party and the practice predates any other American political party.

[Old School]

I love to see people bring religion into politics. You think Jesus was a republican? You might want to read about Jesus. Republicans brought you abortion, and continue to keep abortion legal.

I don’t think of it as bringing religion into politics, I think of it as addressing the morality of abortion and gay marriage, both of which I think are wrong. A lot of Christians supported Obama in the 08, and I assume many will support him in 12, IDK why given his past history.
For the record, I don’t think of Jesus being affiliated with any political party.

[vundy33]

Romney supports what ever will get him voted in. Like every other politician. Romney flips everyday on where he stands!

Your signature is retarded. I know it's not literal, but there's plenty more ways to make fun of those types of Republicans than to mock one of the worst days of my, and a lot of other people's, lives.

I don't know why most of you all couldnt care less about anything that doesn't effect you personally. Guess that's almost everyone though.

[TheRealVille]

These are the kind of idiotic claims that make it such a waste of time trying to engage you in any serious discussion. Abortions predate the modern Republican Party and the practice predates any other American political party.

Good attempt at twisting things around to make your statement true. Check who appointed which Justices that ruled on R vW in 73. Abortion being legal in America was a republican appointed thing. I guarantee if you will search history you will see that 7 of the 9 sitting Justices who were on the bench at the time were appointed by republicans, and 5 of the 9 ruled in favor of abortion, and were appointed by republicans, and that's fact. I have debated abortion many times on the christian forum I moderated, and I'll take my numbers to the bank on this issue.

[vundy33]

I am a Republican. I also vote for the man or woman that I think will do the best job, and will again do so in November. It is clear that President Obama is in over his head when it comes to nearly every one of his duties. He made promises that he couldn't keep, not even close really, and has done more damage to an already weakened economy than he's done to help it. That's just not acceptable, and we can't continue on this road. It's just impossible.

Democrats are great at a lot of things, primarily the welfare of Americans, which is great. But they're not good at rebuilding an economy, that's a conservative's job. The best man for this job is Romney, it's as simple as that, and anyone that seriously thinks that Pres Obama is are lying to themselves. All they have to do is look at our economy...look at how prices literally everything's prices has gone up. It's harder to get a job now than it was in 08', when our economy was even worse. Even our military is becoming more and more political, and because our Administration and elected officials are kidding themselves by thinking the war is "winding down" as the President said on Memorial Day, many more of our boys will die, and Afghan will enter civil war. His view on this war is completely wrong, and will end on disaster for Afghans. It's not a matter of if, it's when. It's easy for the Pres and his administration to sit on the sidelines and predict with all their Generals and aids, but unless you work, live and fight with the Afghans, and fight and understand our enemy, they'll never understand and never get it right. It's as simple as that.

[TheRealVille]

I am a Republican. I also vote for the man or woman that I think will do the best job, and will again do so in November. It is clear that President Obama is in over his head when it comes to nearly every one of his duties. He made promises that he couldn't keep, not even close really, and has done more damage to an already weakened economy than he's done to help it. That's just not acceptable, and we can't continue on this road. It's just impossible.

Democrats are great at a lot of things, primarily the welfare of Americans, which is great. But they're not good at rebuilding an economy, that's a conservative's job. The best man for this job is Romney, it's as simple as that, and anyone that seriously thinks that Pres Obama is are lying to themselves. All they have to do is look at our economy...look at how prices literally everything's prices has gone up. It's harder to get a job now than it was in 08', when our economy was even worse. Even our military is becoming more and more political, and because our Administration and elected officials are kidding themselves by thinking the war is "winding down" as the President said on Memorial Day, many more of our boys will die, and Afghan will enter civil war. His view on this war is completely wrong, and will end on disaster for Afghans. It's not a matter of if, it's when. It's easy for the Pres and his administration to sit on the sidelines and predict with all their Generals and aids, but unless you work, live and fight with the Afghans, and fight and understand our enemy, they'll never understand and never get it right. It's as simple as that.

You're my bud, but check the Clinton years, and also check the GW Bush years.

[vundy33]

You're my bud, but check the Clinton years, and also check the GW Bush years.

I should've included the word "most"...I wasn't really referring to any certain politicians, the main thing I'm referring to is their styles. Liberals are know for their usual expertise in social and public programs, for making life better for all of us. Consevatives are known for their usual tough foreign affairs stance, and decisive decision making, while also doing what's best for the people and country, no matter the consequences.

I think that on the average, Conservatives are better at rebuilding an economy than Democrats are. It's just their usual thing. That comes with the risk of also messing the economy up too, because historically Republicans don't mind to
Go to war near as much as Dems, but I don't think we could get all that much more messed up than we are now without completely falling apart as a country.

Now if Pres Obama can fix this, then I hope he gets reelected. But if he can't, which is what I think, we need an experienced conservative in the office to get our economy going again.

[vector]

I love to see people bring religion into politics. You think Jesus was a republican? You might want to read about Jesus. Republicans brought you abortion, and continue to keep abortion legal.


what else could they run on
it's every election abortion gay's and gun's
and now the last 30 some year's cut tax's on
the rich

[Hoot Gibson]

I am a Republican. I also vote for the man or woman that I think will do the best job, and will again do so in November. It is clear that President Obama is in over his head when it comes to nearly every one of his duties. He made promises that he couldn't keep, not even close really, and has done more damage to an already weakened economy than he's done to help it. That's just not acceptable, and we can't continue on this road. It's just impossible.

Democrats are great at a lot of things, primarily the welfare of Americans, which is great. But they're not good at rebuilding an economy, that's a conservative's job. The best man for this job is Romney, it's as simple as that, and anyone that seriously thinks that Pres Obama is are lying to themselves. All they have to do is look at our economy...look at how prices literally everything's prices has gone up. It's harder to get a job now than it was in 08', when our economy was even worse. Even our military is becoming more and more political, and because our Administration and elected officials are kidding themselves by thinking the war is "winding down" as the President said on Memorial Day, many more of our boys will die, and Afghan will enter civil war. His view on this war is completely wrong, and will end on disaster for Afghans. It's not a matter of if, it's when. It's easy for the Pres and his administration to sit on the sidelines and predict with all their Generals and aids, but unless you work, live and fight with the Afghans, and fight and understand our enemy, they'll never understand and never get it right. It's as simple as that.

I strongly disagree with this statement. Democrats love for welfare programs and redistribution of wealth is what got us into the economic mess in which we find ourselves. Welfare programs, including all sorts of wealth redistribution schemes in which liberal Democrats and Republicans have engaged since FDR's time is not the same as looking after our general welfare, as the founders of this country addressed in the Constitution.

Welfare programs are bankrupting this country and have robbed this generation and at least a few future generations of their right to pursue happiness and prosperity. The rate at which our federal government is compiling debt is unsustainable and eventually the young, working age people will be hit with the bill for their ancestors' greed.

Neither party has done a good job looking after the general welfare of Americans and we are barreling toward and economic collapse as a direct result.

Electing Romney may slow the inevitable depression that is lurking around the corner but far too few conservatives will be elected to Congress to make much of a difference. Furthermore, the American people are too stupid and too impatient to allow either party time to fix our broken government systems until there is no other choice.

In the next few years, there will be riots, but those riots will not be for the petty excuses of the recent past, they will be triggered by the hopelessness of a high unemployment rate, an extremely high inflation rate, and by food and gas shortages. Eventually, historians will place the blame for the coming collapse where it belongs - on an out of control federal government intent on spending far beyond its means, but human beings have shown time and again that they do not learn much from the mistakes of those who came before them. Liberals will eventually arise again and the destructive cycle will begin anew.

Obama is just a symptom of what is wrong with this country. Defeating him in November will be a step in the right direction, but it will be a baby step at best.