[nky]

The current administration continues to blame the past administration for the current economic problems.

Yet in the 2006 midterms elections the Democrats won control of Congress
[Democrats] haven't had a bill on the floor for 12 years. We're not here to whine about it; we will do it better. I intend to be very fair. I do not intend to give away the gavel. (2006 - looking forward to becoming Speaker of the House in 2007) -Nancy Pelosi

Beginning in January 2007 - JAn of 2010 the Democrats were in control of Congress. President Obama was a Senator for the first two years of that.

Doesn't Congress share the blame for the economic issues facing this country?

[vector]

the current administration continues to blame the past administration for the current economic problems.

Yet in the 2006 midterms elections the democrats won control of congress
[democrats] haven't had a bill on the floor for 12 years. We're not here to whine about it; we will do it better. I intend to be very fair. I do not intend to give away the gavel. (2006 - looking forward to becoming speaker of the house in 2007) -nancy pelosi

beginning in january 2007 - jan of 2010 the democrats were in control of congress. President obama was a senator for the first two years of that.

Doesn't congress share the blame for the economic issues facing this country?

hell no

[LWC]

I blame Ronald Regan and W. Howard Taft.

[SKINNYPIG]

hell no

Right on brother/sister!!! Not for you narcasists huh?

[TheRealThing]

The current administration continues to blame the past administration for the current economic problems.

Yet in the 2006 midterms elections the Democrats won control of Congress
[Democrats] haven't had a bill on the floor for 12 years. We're not here to whine about it; we will do it better. I intend to be very fair. I do not intend to give away the gavel. (2006 - looking forward to becoming Speaker of the House in 2007) -Nancy Pelosi

Beginning in January 2007 - JAn of 2010 the Democrats were in control of Congress. President Obama was a Senator for the first two years of that.

Doesn't Congress share the blame for the economic issues facing this country?

Of course, and FWIW, who can truly say they have forgotten the shameful ramrodding of ObamaCare through a democratically controlled, filibuster proof, Senate. Which Obama presided over, and issued marching orders to, up until they were swept out by an enraged electorate in 2010. When they had the power to really change things what did they concentrate on? They didn't care about the economy, or jobs, or anything else other than the issues of social justice. Just consider for a minute what this administration accomplished during the first two years. ObamaCare, the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, Dodd-Frank financial reform, and the ill advised stimulus known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. Obama wanted to make sure his legislation would never be confused with George W's economic legislation. The irony of which is that now, Obama is blaming ARRA -2009 on, you guessed it, George W, LOL.

The dems are running their own reverse psychology on themselves these days. Denying the viability of the very same voting sentiment and segment which spoke up so powerfully in 2010, they have resorted to the same old tactic of telling folks what they are to think. The dems are determined to prove to the rest of us that they still control the minds of the masses with their propaganda style brainwashing.

People are fleeing to this land from all over the globe to escape tyranny and poverty, while our own legislators are trying their hardest to change us into something else, anybody other than me find that to be ironic.

[nky]

hell no

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if the republicans repeal obamacare which i don't think it will happen
what are they going to replace it with?

[nky]

Couple of things:
1. open up buying health insurance across state lines- I should be able to shop around for the best policy I can. Right now I'm limited to what is offered in Kentucky.
2. Medical Liability Reform needs to be included
3.Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions to a point. Make it difficult to drop someone with a pre-existing condition but be diligent that if someone tries to buy a policy after the fact they should be denied. What if you don't have house insurance and all of a sudden your home catches fire then you try and buy home owners insurance. That's not right.
4.reform medicare. go after the waste and fraud

[TheRealVille]

Couple of things:
1. open up buying health insurance across state lines- I should be able to shop around for the best policy I can. Right now I'm limited to what is offered in Kentucky.
2. Medical Liability Reform needs to be included
3.Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions to a point. Make it difficult to drop someone with a pre-existing condition but be diligent that if someone tries to buy a policy after the fact they should be denied. What if you don't have house insurance and all of a sudden your home catches fire then you try and buy home owners insurance. That's not right.
4.reform medicare. go after the waste and fraud

I'm insured with WV insurance, living in KY.

[nky]

I'm insured with WV insurance, living in KY.

do you work in WV?

[vector]

Couple of things:
1. open up buying health insurance across state lines- I should be able to shop around for the best policy I can. Right now I'm limited to what is offered in Kentucky.
2. Medical Liability Reform needs to be included
3.Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions to a point. Make it difficult to drop someone with a pre-existing condition but be diligent that if someone tries to buy a policy after the fact they should be denied. What if you don't have house insurance and all of a sudden your home catches fire then you try and buy home owners insurance. That's not right.
4.reform medicare. go after the waste and fraud

why didn't we here anything about this when
bush2 was in office and he had control over
senate and house? i agree with #2
#3 you will cover them or not only way
it will work
#4 this adminastration has done more
about medicare fraud than any in the past
#1 you will end up with 1 or 2 insurance
company's they will put the other ones out of businesss
this is what some of the health insurance company's made first quarter 2012
cigna 371 millon
humana 248 millon
aetna 511 millon
aflac 785 millon
unitedhealth group 1388 billon
so you can see they done pretty good under the 15% rule

[TheRealVille]

do you work in WV?

Not always, but I am right now. Most of the time I work in KY, and keep the same insurance.

[nky]

why didn't we here anything about this when
bush2 was in office and he had control over
senate and house? i agree with #2
#3 you will cover them or not only way
it will work
#4 this administration has done more
about medicare fraud than any in the past
#1 you will end up with 1 or 2 insurance
company's they will put the other ones out of business
this is what some of the health insurance company's made first quarter 2012
cigna 371 million
humana 248 million
aetna 511 million
aflac 785 million
united health group 1388 billion
so you can see they done pretty good under the 15% rule

I could care less what a for profit business makes each quarter or each year unless I own stock in them. They should be able to make as much as they want. By the way if you break it down it's about $1.15 per share. You as an American have every right to invest in them and share in the profits. By the way United Health made 1.388 Billion not 1.388 trillion as you have written.:biggrin:

You also should look at how each of these companies are diversified because not all of the profits are coming from their health insurance divisions

[nky]

Not always, but I am right now. Most of the time I work in KY, and keep the same insurance.

But your employer is based in WV

[TheRealVille]

But your employer is based in WV

My union is based in WV, but my employers are based all over. Actually, my employer is based in Ohio. Are you saying since I live in KY and my union is in WV, and my employer is based in OH, I am allowed more states than you?

[nky]

My union is based in WV, but my employers are based all over. Actually, my employer is based in Ohio. Are you saying since I live in KY and my union is in WV, and my employer is based in OH, I am allowed more states than you?

Typically your insurance is based out of the state of your employer but I bet your union supersedes that because of contract.

[nky]

why didn't we here anything about this when
bush2 was in office and he had control over
senate and house? i agree with #2
#3 you will cover them or not only way
it will work
#4 this adminastration has done more
about medicare fraud than any in the past
#1 you will end up with 1 or 2 insurance
company's they will put the other ones out of businesss
this is what some of the health insurance company's made first quarter 2012
cigna 371 millon
humana 248 millon
aetna 511 millon
aflac 785 millon
unitedhealth group 1388 billon
so you can see they done pretty good under the 15% rule

by the way United Health's Net profit marginwas 5.05% last year

[TheRealVille]

Typically your insurance is based out of the state of your employer but I bet your union supersedes that because of contract.

Is your employer paying for your insurance?

[nky]

Is your employer paying for your insurance?

for part of it- just medical no dental or eyes

[vector]

for part of it- just medical no dental or eyes

i don't know your whole situation but how long would you get to
keep your medical insurance if you lost your job or got hurt and could not
work i know in my profession maybe get to keep it 2 months

[nky]

i don't know your whole situation but how long would you get to
keep your medical insurance if you lost your job or got hurt and could not
work i know in my profession maybe get to keep it 2 months

I have enough sick days to cover plus over 12 month of expenses saved up
I'll be ok IF a major event would happen

[Real Badman]

no

[Hoot Gibson]

Liberals will never tire of blaming Bush. Socialism has never worked anywhere but for liberals, that truth is just too painful to accept.

[TheRealThing]

if the republicans repeal obamacare which i don't think it will happen
what are they going to replace it with?

Nothing for a few months. Let me point out the fact that we already have a health care system in place that takes care of everybody, including the poor, which ObamaCare is trying to unseat. After the looneys are turned out to pasture this fall, it will be time to take a deep breath and think about what to do next for a change. This strategy, though alien and untried by the Ozombie administration, has the notable advantage of not adding over 2 tillion dollars of national debt to our bottom line.

[TheRealThing]

Liberals will never tire of blaming Bush. Socialism has never worked anywhere but for liberals, that truth is just too painful to accept.

A movie came out in 1951, "The Thing From Another World" The doctor, played by Robert Cornthwaite, attempted to reach out to the thing in a gesture of what might be construed as, intergallactic good will. Of course, as the doctor neared him with his palms up and speaking in a soothing voice, the thing pinched his head off and went about it's business. But, the point is, in the case of the doctor, like the liberal, his was a heart filled with compassion and the milk of human kindness. He was convinced his display of concern would melt the heart of the thing and they'd become great friends. And like the liberal of our time, all this nonsense was confined to a space between his own ears. In like fashion, an imaginary utopia (complete with universal health care), like a bad B movie, is always running as the feature presentation in the minds of liberals. Reality, really is too painful for liberals to accept.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Just curious, how will the new health care "overhaul" affect someone with my type of insurance?
Ive looked and researched and still cannot find how or if it will affect me in anyway.

I have Anthem insurace, which is for health, eye, and dental.
Through Anthem we use to wonderful HSA program where i have a deductable of $2500 a year, $500 of which my company pays.
So in other words, every single year I have to pay $2000 dollars out of pocket before my insurance will cover anything. Due to a surgery i had earlier in the year, my first ever btw, my deductable is already met and i can go to the doctor every single day for the rest of year free of charge, which sounds good, but considering you have to pay 2000 a year for that to happen is kind of ridicolous i think. However, i always put 2000 in it every January so that im always fully covered, and most years i dont have to pay anything because i dont go to the doctor. This year was the first time in 3 years actually, so i paid nothing before.

However, you also have to pay 15 dollars a week for this insurance, so on top of the 2500 deductable there sticking you with $750 a year just for having the insurance, not to mention the 20 i put in a week to my HSA except for when its at the maximum contribution.

The Dental and eye are only about 2 dollars a week and only have like a 50 dollar deductible so i could care less about that, but im just curious as to how this will be affected by the new law.

Keep in mind that only 7 year ago we had insurace that w eonly had to pay a dollar a week for and it covered 95% of cost. It was great and since then weve been stuck with this wonderful popularity of HSA's. I know a lot of this has to do with companies saving money, but to be honest, our company was forced into this by the insurance provider.

How will this affect the different types of insurances or will it at all?

[TheRealVille]

Nothing for a few months. Let me point out the fact that we already have a health care system in place that takes care of everybody, including the poor, which ObamaCare is trying to unseat. After the looneys are turned out to pasture this fall, it will be time to take a deep breath and think about what to do next for a change. This strategy, though alien and untried by the Ozombie administration, has the notable advantage of not adding over 2 tillion dollars of national debt to our bottom line.

Affordable Care Act saves 127 billion a year.

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I have enough sick days to cover plus over 12 month of expenses saved up
I'll be ok IF a major event would happen

that's great you must work at a hospital or some goverament job

[Hoot Gibson]

Affordable Care Act saves 127 billion a year.

You are either lying or willfully ignorant of the facts about Obamacare. Maybe a little of both. Maybe you are repeating bogus numbers from the Obama campaign website again. I can't say for sure because you did not provide a link to back up your "fact."

Covering 30 million additional American citizens and who knows how many illegal aliens will not save any money. Deadbeats who flood into our emergency rooms to demand treatment today will continue to abuse whatever system is put into place because they will still be deadbeats.

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CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under [SIZE="6"]$1.1 trillion over the 2012-2021[/SIZE] period-about $50 billion less than the agencies' March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period. (For comparison with previous estimates, these numbers cover the 2012-2021 period; estimates including 2022 can be found below.)

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You are either lying or willfully ignorant of the facts about Obamacare. Maybe a little of both. Maybe you are repeating bogus numbers from the Obama campaign website again. I can't say for sure because you did not provide a link to back up your "fact."

Covering 30 million additional American citizens and who knows how many illegal aliens will not save any money. Deadbeats who flood into our emergency rooms to demand treatment today will continue to abuse whatever system is put into place because they will still be deadbeats.

we will spend 8.433 trillon on military same time period