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08-19-2012, 01:26 PM
Pike County Bowl
8:15 PM
Pikeville (0-1) is coming off a 20 point loss to Harlan (41-21)
Powell County (0-0) is coming off a 36-7 loss to Morgan County (Scrimmage)
Who takes this one?
8:15 PM
Pikeville (0-1) is coming off a 20 point loss to Harlan (41-21)
Powell County (0-0) is coming off a 36-7 loss to Morgan County (Scrimmage)
Who takes this one?
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08-19-2012, 02:14 PM
Don't know much about Powell, but look for the Panthers to bounce back after the loss to Harlan.
08-19-2012, 05:44 PM
I'll go with Pikeville in this one.
08-19-2012, 05:55 PM
Pikeville BIG!! 41-6
08-20-2012, 07:12 AM
Powell Co must have lost all of there players from last season's team or something because they were a very good team last season. We all know that scrimmages don't mean squat. Pikeville should win this game at home but Powell Co very well could pull this one out. If Pikeville doesn't win this game they are for sure starting the season off 0-6 without a doubt because this game and the game against Harlan was the two easiest games of there early season slate, so I will go with Pikeville even though I have a feeling that Powell Co wins and 4 weeks later after the Panthers start off 0-6 and all the Panther fans will be calling for the the coaches job. Either way if Pikeville does win the game the best start they will have will be at 1-5. I am sure the fans will still be calling for his job at 1-5. Pikeville wins in close one 22-20. I still may change my pick later on this week, but as of right now I have Pikeville winning, but something tells me Powell Co will get the W.
08-20-2012, 08:19 AM
sportsguru4u Wrote:Powell Co must have lost all of there players from last season's team or something because they were a very good team last season. We all know that scrimmages don't mean squat. Pikeville should win this game at home but Powell Co very well could pull this one out. If Pikeville doesn't win this game they are for sure starting the season off 0-6 without a doubt because this game and the game against Harlan was the two easiest games of there early season slate, so I will go with Pikeville even though I have a feeling that Powell Co wins and 4 weeks later after the Panthers start off 0-6 and all the Panther fans will be calling for the the coaches job. Either way if Pikeville does win the game the best start they will have will be at 1-5. I am sure the fans will still be calling for his job at 1-5. Pikeville wins in close one 22-20. I still may change my pick later on this week, but as of right now I have Pikeville winning, but something tells me Powell Co will get the W.
I don't think Pikeville's season is over just yet. They have a shot at 2 of the next 3 games and if they can get them they could go 6-4 on a tough season and be battle tested come playoff time. I don'tthink SC is that improved over a 1 win season last year and that makes 2 of the next 3 possible for the Panther's. Just because Harlan beat them doesn't mean all hope is lost. Pikeville has a great coach and traditionally Pikeville teams start out slow. With the job he has done thus far at Pikeville there's no way they get rid of him after one mediocre season that we still don't know will be. With the schedule that Pikeville has,come playoff time they could be a dang tough 5-5 or 6-4 out. I still think they got a shot at the region title this year. I have learned that you don't count P'ville out this early in the season.
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08-20-2012, 10:09 AM
Folks, let's just stop for a second, take a deep breath, and relax. There is NO WAY that "hot seat" talk should come up at Pikeville. The Panthers overachieved last year and made it to the State Semi-Finals, losing to eventual State Champion Hazard on their home field. The end of the season took 15 seniors out of a Class A program (less than 30 players out last year, total). Tremendous coaching job turned in by Coach McNamee and his staff in 2011. 2012 brings 15 freshmen replacing those 15 departed seniors. 30 players on roster, exactly half of them being freshmen. Game One brought a lot of freshmen mistakes, as expected. And Harlan is a pretty good ball club. Did McNamee and his staff forget how to coach in one game? I don't think so. Sure, Pikeville has a tough schedule for its experience level, but that will only make them better in the long run. No, it doesn't appear this will be a 10-win season, but let Louisville Central explain how overrated that is. As Backwoods pointed out, this team will get better week by week, as the young players learn what they're supposed to do and react rather than think too much. I honestly expect this team to be a dangerous "out" come playoff time. And sit back and watch the next three or four years. If you're a Pikeville fan, it's gonna be a lot of fun!!! So let's not start with the "hot seat" talk after Week 1!!!
08-20-2012, 10:32 AM
This will be another tough test for the young Panthers. They will get better each week, but realistically speaking it's tough to ask so many young kids to play and expect alot right now. Live Maroon you are exactly right the Panthers are on the verge of being very very competetive in the near future. I would also be willing to bet that no matter the record come playoff time when 2 teams in the area are still in the playoffs Pikeville will be one of them, we all know the other. Back on topic, Pikeville gets the win. Some kids get a little healthier by weeks end and another gains playing eligibility this week which will add a much needed boost to the interior. Good luck Panthers!!!
08-20-2012, 10:46 AM
Pikeville will be fine, they are just a 1A team dealing with a common problem for small schools. The Panthers are in a bridge year right now. They just had a solid team last year with a "once in a decade" type of player and they lost several of those key pieces to graduation. The panthers Freshman and Sophomore Classes are loaded with talent, but they simply are too green right now.
As a 1A school this is the ebb and flow you will have. Larger schools have a larger talent pool to pull from for guys who can be those stop gaps while the younger stars emerge, 1A teams typically don't have that luxury. Even some of the bigger name schools in the Mountains go through this, Belfry in 2009 was way down finishing 8-4 after a run of being "up". The Pirates took their lumps and lost in the 2nd Round with a very young team. The next year looked to be even worse as they had lost Mr. Everything Thomas Varney (very similar to Maynard) and they hopped through a bridge year at 6-4 entering the playoffs. In the playoffs though those Freshman and Sophomores were now essentially a year older and Belfry got hot and reached the State Finals. Now those Fresh-Soph are Jr-SR and Belfry is absolutely loaded and experienced.
Be patient wit Pikeville. By season's end expect those young players including the QB who struggled mightily Week 1 to look completely different.
As a 1A school this is the ebb and flow you will have. Larger schools have a larger talent pool to pull from for guys who can be those stop gaps while the younger stars emerge, 1A teams typically don't have that luxury. Even some of the bigger name schools in the Mountains go through this, Belfry in 2009 was way down finishing 8-4 after a run of being "up". The Pirates took their lumps and lost in the 2nd Round with a very young team. The next year looked to be even worse as they had lost Mr. Everything Thomas Varney (very similar to Maynard) and they hopped through a bridge year at 6-4 entering the playoffs. In the playoffs though those Freshman and Sophomores were now essentially a year older and Belfry got hot and reached the State Finals. Now those Fresh-Soph are Jr-SR and Belfry is absolutely loaded and experienced.
Be patient wit Pikeville. By season's end expect those young players including the QB who struggled mightily Week 1 to look completely different.
08-20-2012, 11:48 AM
Not too many posters on this board that I really enjoy reading but you EKU are one of them. Always insightful and always reasonable. You are usually spot on with your assesment. Keep up the good work!!! I had a good friend pose a question to me a couple of years ago, Which streak will end sooner? UK/UT or Pikeville/Belfry? Well we all know the answer to that now. I did answer UK but I didn't think it would happen in Jokers tenure haha. Why did I bring this up? It was to emphasize your point of the 1A school. Honestly it was pretty amazing what Pikeville did during that run in the 80's. Could it be done again? Yes but to say that Pikeville will ever consistantly beat Belfry is probably not a valid statement. Alot of people in the Pikeville area are really excited about their upcomers and yes I know Pikeville's junior high beat Belfry last year, but the sheer numbers of kids that Belfry puts on the field year in and year out is really tough to match. It may take more than 1 or 2 quality classes to roll thru for a 1A school to consistantly beat a 3A power like Belfry. But I do look forward to the games being more competetive in the near future.
08-20-2012, 12:04 PM
Likewise... when Pikeville is good then it is not only good for football in EKY, it is good the whole state. Besides the talent pool being a little diluted, Pikeville has also been a victim of coaching turnover which I think a lot of people understate. Anytime you change a coach you also change up their philosophy at the feeder level. Pikeville, with a single feeder school, is even more vulnerable. I am a big Coach Mac fan and think he has the train on the tracks.
If Pikeville beats Belfry I will be pissed, I won't lie. Obviously I enjoy Belfry beating Pikeville for the obvious reasons, even moreso is the fact I can talk trash to my boy jetpilot about it
With that said, once the initial anger is gone I think I would in some way be happy it happened in the long run.
I still remember being a young kid and going to a Belfry/Pikeville game and how electric the atmosphere was for all those years. I remember how it was the talk of the mountains and regarded state wide as one of those rivalries that you wanted to know the score of even if your team had no tie to the game. I remember the anticipation of Pike County Bowl night and how even if Belfry wasn't playing until the last game you had to be there early to watch Pikeville and see what they had that year. I want the current generations to know those feelings.
If Pikeville beats Belfry I will be pissed, I won't lie. Obviously I enjoy Belfry beating Pikeville for the obvious reasons, even moreso is the fact I can talk trash to my boy jetpilot about it
With that said, once the initial anger is gone I think I would in some way be happy it happened in the long run.I still remember being a young kid and going to a Belfry/Pikeville game and how electric the atmosphere was for all those years. I remember how it was the talk of the mountains and regarded state wide as one of those rivalries that you wanted to know the score of even if your team had no tie to the game. I remember the anticipation of Pike County Bowl night and how even if Belfry wasn't playing until the last game you had to be there early to watch Pikeville and see what they had that year. I want the current generations to know those feelings.
08-20-2012, 10:38 PM
A couple of things to consider with this yrs. Pikeville team are:
1.A first yr. varsity qb. (who by the way showed flashes of a good qb at times), and only being a soph. Remember too that this was his first time out the gate against a veteran ball club on their field.
2. His attempt to get the ball to C. Estep was so close, just right off Estep's finger tips, more than once. If he could have made the connection to Estep, Burke, or others, then the outcome could have been a little different.
This team will gel, and once they work on these mistakes, they will be fine. The talent is there, Coach Mac and staff are doing a great job, so watch for this team to get better, and see them make some noise in the post season.
HAIL PIKEVILLE!!
1.A first yr. varsity qb. (who by the way showed flashes of a good qb at times), and only being a soph. Remember too that this was his first time out the gate against a veteran ball club on their field.
2. His attempt to get the ball to C. Estep was so close, just right off Estep's finger tips, more than once. If he could have made the connection to Estep, Burke, or others, then the outcome could have been a little different.
This team will gel, and once they work on these mistakes, they will be fine. The talent is there, Coach Mac and staff are doing a great job, so watch for this team to get better, and see them make some noise in the post season.
HAIL PIKEVILLE!!
08-22-2012, 10:05 AM
I have changed my Pick and I am now going with Powell Co. Pikeville's Defense showed it couldn't get to Harlan's QB at all and he had all day to decide weather to throw it or tuck it an run so I am convinced that Powell Co's Complex offense with the spread will give the Panthers defense a real problem that they simple will have no answer for. Powell Co 34 Pikeville 20
08-22-2012, 10:22 AM
sportsguru4u Wrote:I have changed my Pick and I am now going with Powell Co. Pikeville's Defense showed it couldn't get to Harlan's QB at all and he had all day to decide weather to throw it or tuck it an run so I am convinced that Powell Co's Complex offense with the spread will give the Panthers defense a real problem that they simple will have no answer for. Powell Co 34 Pikeville 20
Pikeville was able to get pressure on Harlan's QB. Saragas is a vetran QB that moves outside the pocket really well. I don't think he was able to stay in the pocket all night. Last season he passed at a rate of about 63%. He was 6 for 13 against the Panther's defense which is below his average. I think that was due to the pressure he had on him. Most QB's they see won't move outside the pocket that well.
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08-22-2012, 10:42 AM
I watched the game on Pike TV. He wasn't touched all night. You must have watched a different game than what I did. The only time he left the pocket was when he chose to.
08-22-2012, 10:51 AM
Backwoods Wrote:Pikeville was able to get pressure on Harlan's QB. Saragas is a vetran QB that moves outside the pocket really well. I don't think he was able to stay in the pocket all night. Last season he passed at a rate of about 63%. He was 6 for 13 against the Panther's defense which is below his average. I think that was due to the pressure he had on him. Most QB's they see won't move outside the pocket that well.There is no use trying lol. sportsguru4u has an obvious axe to grind with Pikeville and is loving the rebuilding process that comes along fairly frequently in Class A football. He will probably be the one that calls for an upset of Pikeville in all district games, and be one of the first to tell us all how the program is in shambles after each loss. Hopefully more people will just start to ignore his attempt to stir the pot.
As for you, I really enjoy reading your posts and they are very insightful from another point of view. Saragas has incredible pocket presence and footwork. The pressure was there at times and he simply eluded it (He stayed very composed and it didn't even appear that he was being pressured) to allow enough time for the coverage, which on longer pass plays was pretty solid, to break down and that one receiver would break off his route and Saragas would find him. It kept drives alive for Harlan and was absolutely deflating to Pikeville. On the other side of the ball, Harlan's secondary was outstanding. They were often step for step with the Pikeville Wide Outs and did not let Pikeville create many easy windows to hit. And, this is not meant as an excuse or anything like that, the Harlan DB's were very good at getting away with little things. They would grab a shouler or jersey out of a break and it would give them time to recover, but most were not so blatant it was an obvious foul. They did get caught once for that, and once for a pass interference. But it was a definite net gain for the Green Dragons.
All in all, you could tell how experienced Harlan was and they were just solid in all aspects when it counted. I certainly would love to see Harlan again, this time at Pikeville, but that requires a lot of work from both teams! Good Luck to Harlan the rest of the way!
08-22-2012, 10:58 AM
Pikeville will lose to Allen Central this season for sure. I am very close to calling the South Floyd game a loss as well considering how well South Floyd played against you all last season. I do not have an Axe to grind with any school. However I call them like I see them. So if my opinion's and projections on how the Panthers season will unfold grind your gears then you obviously must see it happening differently. Please tell me the record that you foresee for this season's team and what games they will win and lose then. I am only making my my projections. If they turnout to be true then so be it.
08-22-2012, 06:15 PM
sportsguru4u Wrote:Pikeville will lose to Allen Central this season for sure. I am very close to calling the South Floyd game a loss as well considering how well South Floyd played against you all last season. I do not have an Axe to grind with any school. However I call them like I see them. So if my opinion's and projections on how the Panthers season will unfold grind your gears then you obviously must see it happening differently. Please tell me the record that you foresee for this season's team and what games they will win and lose then. I am only making my my projections. If they turnout to be true then so be it.
The same South Floyd we beat 49-22 after back to back games against Belfry and Swain, NC? Yeah. They played REAL well against us. Please, dude. Your axe is Paul Bunyan-sized. I'm going to stop now, we're not supposed to feed the trolls. :dudecomeon:
08-22-2012, 06:26 PM
I think Pikeville will be hungry to make up for the loss to Harlan and I think they win this one at home by several scores!
Pikeville - 35
Powell Co. - 14
Pikeville - 35
Powell Co. - 14
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08-22-2012, 06:51 PM
sportsguru4u Wrote:I watched the game on Pike TV. He wasn't touched all night. You must have watched a different game than what I did. The only time he left the pocket was when he chose to.
Got a feeling guru,that you will be watching the Panthers in the playoffs on pike t.v., IF you choose to.
08-22-2012, 07:18 PM
Playing in the weakest District in all of Kentucky High School Football Pikeville should never miss the playoffs. District 8 with Phelps, Allen Central, South Floyd and Pikeville is by far the weakest so making the playoffs year in and year out shouldn't be something of a celebration but rather more a given.
08-22-2012, 10:20 PM
sportsguru4u Wrote:Playing in the weakest District in all of Kentucky High School Football Pikeville should never miss the playoffs. District 8 with Phelps, Allen Central, South Floyd and Pikeville is by far the weakest so making the playoffs year in and year out shouldn't be something of a celebration but rather more a given.
Lol! Well now, we just might not make it out of the district because of South Floyd (nothing against the Raiders) according to you, and how hard you grind your axe. Why don't you give the Panthers credit by making it as far as they did last season.(state semi at Hazard)?
08-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Pikeville wins.
08-23-2012, 02:46 PM
Pikeville 24-6
08-23-2012, 03:49 PM
Pikeville should come out pump up being at home .
I'll take the Panthers
Pikeville 41
Powell Co 14
I'll take the Panthers
Pikeville 41
Powell Co 14
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