[WideRight05]

Let's hear it...

Can anybody give me one reason that Obama is doing a good job as president?

Note: Winning two elections does not count.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

He obviously is the worst president of the last eighty years. However, he is half black, the media loves him, and if you oppose anything he says or does, you are a racist. And that is all that counts in modern day America.

[WideRight05]

It has now been over 24 hours since I posted this thread. Other than a comment by a conservative that is not an Obama supporter, I am yet to see one valid reason to support Obama.

I'm waiting...

[64SUR]

:okay: He's a Democrat :dudecomeon:

[Granny Bear]

I'm thinking!!! Still trying to come up with something.

[64SUR]

I'm thinking!!! Still trying to come up with something.

Give me some time Granny Bear... I will do some more thinking also. Dang I am eating crow I need some help from Obama. :please: MR.PRESIDENT KEEP COAL ALIVE :HitWall: :HitWall: :HitWall:

[TheRealThing]

Obama had the courage to authorize Bin Laden's take down. Game, set, match.

[TheRealThing]

Give me some time Granny Bear... I will do some more thinking also. Dang I am eating crow I need some help from Obama. :please: MR.PRESIDENT KEEP COAL ALIVE :HitWall: :HitWall: :HitWall:

Are you serious? There's a certain hot spot that will freeze over long before Obama approves the XL Pipeline, and that project is far up the list over the coal industry. If he could end all coal usage tomorrow, he'd do it without a second's hesitation.

[RunItUpTheGut]

He alone went to Pakistan and killed Bin Laden nicker:

[WideRight05]

48 hours have passed and still no legitimate answer. Come on liberals - certainly you can think of one?

[64SUR]

48 hours have passed and still no legitimate answer. Come on liberals - certainly you can think of one?

What's a liberals I have know ideal WideRight05 I'm register Democrat. :Cheerlead

[RunItUpTheGut]

Detroit is alive and bin laden is dead...


The wonderful Joe Biden.
They'll prolly put that garbage in history books.

[TheRealThing]

What's a liberals I have know ideal WideRight05 I'm register Democrat. :Cheerlead

That's what I have been trying to tell you. Unless you're waaay older than you act like you are, you're a liberal and wouldn't know a real Democrat if you saw one. Although today's Democrats speak of governing the country, in actuality their every concern is centered around making things equal socially. President Obama said it best, "If you're like us (Democrats) you believe the role of government is to make things better for the middle class." That statement alone is a contradiction of terms because the once mighty middle class he's always talking about has for all intent and purpose, faded from existence. Rather than attending to the interests of our sovereign nation, today's Democrats are busy making things equal for everybody who works for a living. Literally choking the SCOTUS and overwhelming the machinations of federal government with petty and ridiculous special interests. Harry Reid won't take up important legislation the House is working to pass but, he will spend days on end going on about things like whether the Washington Redskins football team should be forced by the Senate to change their name to something more politically acceptable. What a load! At any rate, what you will have once these morons get through "fundamentally transforming" the face of America, will be those who are rich, 2 or 3 percent of the population, and everybody else. And, everybody else will find themselves regulated to the point of desperation.

In other words, regulations and the heavy yoke of government will suppress any hope of achieving middle class status in this land. Ironically, the divide between the rich and the masses constantly being called out by this administration, will dramatically widen as the direct result of government intervention into every facet of life. Things will become oppressive and the drive and ambition that powered the dynamic of the American lifestyle will die as the result. We Americans called that nightmarish lifestyle communism back during the 1980's and 90's.

This is what I find to be so incredible, is that the drudging kind of lifestyle described above, where nobody can get ahead, is exactly how it was in the former Soviet Union. You had the uber rich and those who had nothing. No 'tweeners.' Remarkably, it has only been 23 years since the Soviet Union collapsed under it's own weight. And, the foreign policies of President Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher succeeded in bringing Russia to her knees. Fast forward to today and what do we see but the United States, my own beloved country, rushing down the path of communism. So, to your point there 64, if there are any Democrats left today, they have managed to escape my attention. Every last one of them to my knowledge, are LIBERALS.

[64SUR]

What's the differences between a tea party and a Republican. :popcorn: Give me a history lessons. :Sad04:

[TheRealThing]

What's the differences between a tea party and a Republican. :popcorn: Give me a history lessons. :Sad04:

The Tea Party is a grass roots movement made up of folks from the 'been there, done that crowd', who love their country, and the traditional values on which this nation is unquestionably founded and that have from the start nurtured, to become the greatest nation on earth, and maybe the greatest nation of all time. Said values have further provided the political environment for all who have the drive, to succeed in doing so. Therefore, Tea Partiers have chosen to align themselves politically with the Republicans because they tend to espouse the traditionally conservative view of the founding fathers and further tend to take the lessons of history more seriously than do their Democrat counter parts.

They're not an actual party per se. The movement attracts supporters and adherents from every city in this land who are wise enough to understand that you don't change things that are the envy of the entire world. In other words, once you have your race car tuned to be the fastest in the world, you don't keep screwing around with it. Just drive it and shut up.

[WideRight05]

I can tell Sur64 is just trying to yank our chains lol. He's probably conservative.

Over 72 hours have passed...I'm still waiting for an answer.

[TheRealThing]

I can tell Sur64 is just trying to yank our chains lol. He's probably conservative.

Over 72 hours have passed...I'm still waiting for an answer.

Oh heck, that's okay. He raises a point of which I enjoy straightening out. I am frequently amazed that so many think there is something wrong with the idea of the tea party. One of the Devil and Saul Alinsky's favorite modus-operandi, is to mock and berate those who have a appreciation for moral living and don't therefore love rebellion for the sake of it.

Just as in the case of the Occupy Wall Street movement sponsored by certain DC elitists. Nothing was accomplished except the fact that the taxpayer had to pay for the aftermath and supervision. And yet at the same time, we find that so many condemn Tea Party events which, have produced nary so much as a broken window or a hangnail, are guilty of extolling the virtues of those who crapped on cop cars and anything else that was sitting still, and who rapped and plundered the immediate vicinity with regularity. It isn't hard to believe 64 doesn't know any better when we see so many big name media types can't seem to wrap their head around the concept either. The only other explanation is that folks are bald faced liars who want to expedite the Titanic's ultimate demise. And who, knowing there aren't nearly enough life boats, want her to sink anyway. Hence my oft reference to the Democrat lemming rush. :biggrin:

[Mr. Onion Head]

He obviously is the worst president of the last eighty years. However, he is half black, the media loves him, and if you oppose anything he says or does, you are a racist. And that is all that counts in modern day America.

I don't support Obama and won't even try to get into a pros/cons debate here but to say worst in last 80 years might be extreme.

Carter & Johnson might like to debate that one :igiveup:

[Truth]

I don't support Obama and won't even try to get into a pros/cons debate here but to say worst in last 80 years might be extreme.

Carter & Johnson might like to debate that one :igiveup:

Poor Carter was pitiful. However, he had run a peanut farm and a state. Obama did nothing but smoke dope and ride the wave of political correctness and quotas.

Lyndon Johnson was ruthless and dishonest but, in reality, he was quite experienced and competent. Andrew Johnson was weak but not as bad as Carter and the hapless and pansy-like Barry.

[64SUR]

I don't support Obama and won't even try to get into a pros/cons debate here but to say worst in last 80 years might be extreme.

Carter & Johnson might like to debate that one :igiveup:

I would put Bush sr. Bush jr. in the running also 3 wars. :igiveup: also

[Mr. Onion Head]

I would put Bush sr. Bush jr. in the running also 3 wars. :igiveup: also

Bush Sr. actually wasn't that bad minus his "No new taxes" that killed him. His approval rating after the Persian Gulf was around 90% if I'm not mistaken. Just ran into a buzzsaw candidate in Clinton.

I begin to favor George W. more as time goes on but still think he deserves "some" blame for the economic situation of today.

But you know that no republicans have done any wrong in history according to this site. J/K with you guys.

[TheRealThing]

^I can appreciate that you are just kidding. There's a big difference in a screw up and a full on propaganda campaign. BTW, I am aware of a number of major league lapses in judgment committed by Republicans, and to my knowledge, every last one of them were owned up to, except George W never admitted his immigration policy, as it applied to our southern border, was an unmitigated disaster.

I'm convinced that the biggest problem America faces in this day, is the lack of truth emanating out of Washington. The second biggest problem are the Democrat State Governors who have taken Clinton and Obama's lead, and think similarly, that they can feed their constituents a diet of lies meant to tear down any shred of character Republicans may have, for political gain. Further, when "the people" look at their President when he makes an address, and all they can think of is that he's probably lying about whatever he's talking about again, I believe that constitutes a death spiral. Trust is the chief cornerstone of governance. And, I remember a time when doubting the voracity of the President was a thought that just did not pop into one's mind.

I mean, when FDR called the US to war with Japan and Germany, we went to war. Nobody doubted whether we should comply with the President's call to arms. And nobody doubted his judgment. (Well, let me correct myself. Liberals of that day demonstrated and bemoaned our entry into the war just like present day La-La's are wont to do) Today, none the less, it is fair to say that the office of the President has eroded to the point that I for one, find myself doubting the vast majority of the things he says. And, I believe the fault lies entirely with him.

So far during the Obama era, the Republicans have the owned the patent on truth. They have been spot on with every criticism they have made. And after all, did we send them to Washington to roll over and play dead or, play nicey nicey with the vacuous cipher Nancy Pelosi or, did we send them to stand their watch on the wall? All this talk about Republicans being the party of "no", coming from the Dems is just so much smoke on the political battlefield, in a war being waged to win the hearts and minds of the superficial. None of that baloney works on those who think for themselves.

Republicans knew ObamaCare wouldn't work and they stood their ground. They also know that the new EPA regs coming out today, requiring coal fired generating stations to further cut CO2 emissions an additional 30% will cost over a hundred thousand jobs a year for the foreseeable future. They also know that according to the same EPA's own projections, these measures being forced upon we 'self governing' Americans, will net a nearly invisible 1/20th, of a 1 degree drop in earth's mean temperature over the next century. While lessening the projected rise in the earth's oceans by 1/25th of an inch over the same period. Think of what we're going to sacrifice for this ridiculousness.

Republicans are not any where near perfect, but they're light years better a choice in general, than the liberal loons infesting government these days. We might as well all take a boat to Hawaii (jets make too much CO2), and throw ourselves into a volcano hoping to satisfy the gods. :igiveup:

[Mr. Onion Head]

^ I'm just trying to ruffle some feathers. Personally I believe that people who are extreme one way or the other (liberal or conservative) do nothing to help the problems we face in this country right now. Everything in moderation in my opinion.

[TheRealThing]

^ I'm just trying to ruffle some feathers. Personally I believe that people who are extreme one way or the other (liberal or conservative) do nothing to help the problems we face in this country right now. Everything in moderation in my opinion.

Fair enough. I can see how a modest liberal would worry if some revved up Elmer Gantry was elected president and then attempted to turn the USA into a theocracy. But, by the same token, America desperately needs conservatives to resist the rabid liberalism that has us by the throat. Because like you said, the extreme left in charge of our affairs right now, is just as much a threat and probably much more so.

[WideRight05]

We are up to five days now. I am still yet to see somebody attempt to post a legitimate argument for Obama. I will not stop until a liberal takes on the challenge.

[ronald reagan]

If I were a liberal, this is how I'd argue my point.

Fact: Unemployment rates have dropped from over 10% down to 6.3%.
Fact: Job growth has occurred for 54 out of 55 straight months.
Fact: Over 10 million new jobs created since recovery began. With approximately 300,000 last month alone.
Fact: Deficits have shrunk from about 1.8 trillion, to about 600 billion. (1/3rd of the all time high.)
Fact: Stock Markets have more than doubled (Nasdaq, S&P, Dow).
Fact: 2 wars have either ended or drawing to a close.
Fact: Bin Laden is dead.
Fact: TARP created a net increase in revenue.
Fact: Healthcare has been greatly expanded for the poor and middle class.

Now... I'm going to go blow my brains out for even thinking of those reasons. haha.

I know how to argue all those points, for and against. So don't even try. Anyone who knows me, will know that I'm a radical conservative and make no excuses for Obama. That said, I will offer a REAL example of Obama's success, no jokes:

Raising capital gains taxes has probably been his biggest accomplishment. The conventional wisdom was that raising them would be detriminal to the markets, especially during a time of recovery. The rates have increased approximately 50% under Obama. From 15% to 23.8%. (20% plus the new 3.8% medicare recovery surcharge). Luckily, I was proven wrong and the markets have more than doubled under Obama, with huge gains since the rate was raised. This has created the boom in revenue (along with accelerated job increases, and income tax increases on the rich, along with new taxes from obamacare). Although I didn't support the capital gain tax increase, then or now... I must concede and say that as a fiscal conservative whose interest is in decreasing the debt... it was probably the right decision. The only reason I'm against it, is because it wasn't part of a spending cut deal.

[ronald reagan]

I will also concede as a soldier, Obama has earned the military's respect. There have been blunders, like this latest taliban trade.... However, for the most part, his military approval on military issues is probably 75% or more. Pay has increased, equipment inventories grow, he followed the Bush SOFA agreement to the tee, implemented a surge in afghanistan, greatly expanded the highly successful drone strike program, widened the net of the war on terror into africa and other middle eastern naations previously limited..... Authorizing the Bin Laden raid was brilliant and took guts. I can only imagine what would have happened had SOAR and seal team 6 and CIA S.A.D. been ambushed and the mission failed, resulting in deaths on foreign soil. I would have had great difficulty in approving the mission, had I been president. I'm glad he did, and loved the results.

[TheRealThing]

I will also concede as a soldier, Obama has earned the military's respect. There have been blunders, like this latest taliban trade.... However, for the most part, his military approval on military issues is probably 75% or more. Pay has increased, equipment inventories grow, he followed the Bush SOFA agreement to the tee, implemented a surge in afghanistan, greatly expanded the highly successful drone strike program, widened the net of the war on terror into africa and other middle eastern naations previously limited..... Authorizing the Bin Laden raid was brilliant and took guts. I can only imagine what would have happened had SOAR and seal team 6 and CIA S.A.D. been ambushed and the mission failed, resulting in deaths on foreign soil. I would have had great difficulty in approving the mission, had I been president. I'm glad he did, and loved the results.

Listen Ronnie, you don't just come bustin in here making a few posts once every year or so, and get by with it. LOL

I guess I must be more of a pessimist than you cause I can't give him credit for doing stuff that military commanders had already set in motion. If we even have a valid SOFA with Iraq or Afghanistan, it got by me somehow. But, my main bone of contention lies with the ridiculous rules of engagement our troops are forced to endure. There's a reason casualty of war statistics have skyrocketed under this administration's watch.

[64SUR]

Thanks goodness for Ronald. :Cheerlead

[WideRight05]

Thanks goodness for Ronald. :Cheerlead

You may think he's on your side haha...

But he is a Republican.