[Pulp Fiction]

I'm sure by now everybody has seen the news about the Grand Jury's decision not to issue indict the police officer who used deadly force in the line of duty.

I was not on the grand jury, I was not involved in the investigation process and I haven't seen all the evidence dealing with this case. But after hearing the District Attorney's speech last night on TV, IMO, the officer used lethal force in the line of duty the same way a civilian would act if placed in the same situation.


Yes, I do carry a firearm with me when I leave the house as does my wife. Church, Walmart, the mall, vacation.... And no, I have never had to even reach for it for protection. Mostly on vacation, but I do keep my hand on the grip and it is ready for it designed purpose if a situation does arise.


White cop, black cop... white male, black male.
Teenager or senior citizen.... if somebody poses a threat to that officer, and they don't comply with what the police are telling them, chances are, that person is looking for trouble. I don't know about every police agency in the country, but most officers carry some type of Pepper Spray, a baton and a taser along with their firearm. I have never met the officer who took the shots. But from my training, the officer had to feel like at that moment that his life was in danger if he didn't use lethal force.

Like I said, I haven't seen all the evidence involved with this case, but I did listen to the speech the D.A. gave last night before he read the GJ's decision. At the same time, while watching the split screen, I saw several people in the city with Gas Masks on their heads. That told me they were going to cause problems no matter the decision. From what I saw on TV, the protesters were gonna cause a disturbance no matter what decision was returned.

[Bob Seger]

I guess I was raised funny or something...I was raised that if you do drugs, rob a store, get caught, disregard a police officer's orders, and then try to attack that police officer repeatedly then you stand a good chance of getting shot..


In other words , why is this even more than a footnote in the news than that a thug got shot trying to attack a ploice officer?

[TheRealThing]

I'm sure by now everybody has seen the news about the Grand Jury's decision not to issue indict the police officer who used deadly force in the line of duty.

I was not on the grand jury, I was not involved in the investigation process and I haven't seen all the evidence dealing with this case. But after hearing the District Attorney's speech last night on TV, IMO, the officer used lethal force in the line of duty the same way a civilian would act if placed in the same situation.


Yes, I do carry a firearm with me when I leave the house as does my wife. Church, Walmart, the mall, vacation.... And no, I have never had to even reach for it for protection. Mostly on vacation, but I do keep my hand on the grip and it is ready for it designed purpose if a situation does arise.


White cop, black cop... white male, black male.
Teenager or senior citizen.... if somebody poses a threat to that officer, and they don't comply with what the police are telling them, chances are, that person is looking for trouble. I don't know about every police agency in the country, but most officers carry some type of Pepper Spray, a baton and a taser along with their firearm. I have never met the officer who took the shots. But from my training, the officer had to feel like at that moment that his life was in danger if he didn't use lethal force.

Like I said, I haven't seen all the evidence involved with this case, but I did listen to the speech the D.A. gave last night before he read the GJ's decision. At the same time, while watching the split screen, I saw several people in the city with Gas Masks on their heads. That told me they were going to cause problems no matter the decision. From what I saw on TV, the protesters were gonna cause a disturbance no matter what decision was returned.

What you saw last night was mindless violence for the sake of mindless violence. The scene was truly apocalyptic. From among the list of possible causes, I had not considered the possibility that the anarchy and lawlessness which is to be characteristic of the end of the age, would be rooted in racial hatred. Rather, I envisioned a world war between nationalities, culminating at Armageddon. That will eventuality occur in any case, I just failed to connect that throngs of plundering criminals coursing through US streets would use racial unrest as their battle cry. Imagine the irony here, citizens of the United States of America, former bastion of morality and world leader for global recognition of civil rights and lecturer to the likes of China et-al to that end, have engaged themselves in burning down their own cities. And BTW, all the TV coverage doesn't stop at our borders. Folks in Moscow and the ISIS headquarters in Syria watched the scene with euphoric bliss.

How, one might ask, could the most powerful nation on earth be brought down to a level in which she could not muster the determination and force necessary to quell global conflict? America had better get a handle on the racial divide which has sprung up in her midst of late and, we're not just speaking of black versus white here either. Muslims, Asians, the complete cloud of multicultural resentment must dissipate. Otherwise, the greatest enemy America will ever face may well be her own people.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Low information voters

[RunItUpTheGut]

I believe all store or ears should ha e raised money to hire security to shoot on site. If I lived in Ferguson I would have set the welfare office on fire. All the looters would have had to Wait in football field lines to get there monthly squeeze.

[Pulp Fiction]

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/nov...t-released

76 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in in 2013.
49,851 law enforcement officers were victims of line-of-duty assaults.

According to this article, there was 27 Law Enforcement officers feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2013. Was there riots and protests.... can you name any of them without using a search engine....?

Did the president address the nation after any of these murders?
Did media send their top-teir reporters to any of those cities?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Isn't it long past time for us to quit coddling blacks. Of course, the black community, including Obama and Holder, fan the flames. Slavery ended 150 years ago. It is time for them to turn in their special ticket and fend for themselves like the rest of us. I played ball with many black athletes I have a number of black clients, I have taught many black students, and I have a goodly number of black friends and associates. However, I am tired of the whining.

Unfortunately, I look for the racist Holder to twist the law to punish Wilson and the police in Ferguson and to kiss up to the Browns (or whatever their legal names may be).

The burden of proof was on the prosecution. It failed to meet its burden because the proof was overwhelmingly in favor of Wilson. Justice was served. Now we need some justice in regard to the deadbeats, racists, and thieves disrupting Ferguson and other parts of the country. After all, for most of them, it is a freebie holiday in which they can load up on Thunderbird wine and fried chicken.

Wonder how long it will be before the three blacks on the grand jury start claiming the system was rigged? Get ready.

[Granny Bear]

There are so many tragedies here, that it's impossible to even think of them all, let alone list them.

The Browns lost their son. That indeed is a tragedy. But when you look at the reason, I don't see how you can stop at Wilson shooting him. It goes so much deeper than that. Mrs. Brown said they called him a gentle giant. Well, I wonder if the proprietor of the store he just robbed would call him that. I also wonder why at 6'4", 290 lbs and able to walk, run and fight, he felt the need to steal rather than have a job. It goes on and on.

Same for the policeman who hasn't been seen publicly or made a statement publicly since the shooting. He feels he must resign his career because he doesn't think he can be effective as a police officer anymore. Well, he can't, at least not in Ferguson.

A good friend of mine has distant family that live in Ferguson. They have left their home to weather this storm. They are not protesting, but know several folks who are. They also say that "professional protestors" have been brought in from outside to help stir the pot a little. I would imagine, though I don't know, that Al Sharpton has yet another agenda.

I don't know the answer, but a problem clearly exists....a racial problem. I also believe that racism exists in all races. Until people come together in a like mind, and truly search for answers this is only going to get worse. Rather than a beer summit, I would love to see a prayer summit. Where honest people, honestly look for an honest resolve.

[Motley]

I agree that what they are doing is absurd and a slap in the face to the martyrs and civil rights leaders of the 1960's. This isn't what they fought for. However it is just as ridiculous to lump all African Americans into 1 category, and almost ironic that anyone from East Kentucky would ever in any situation make a comment about uneducated, low information voting, welfare recipients.

And Harry Rex, funny you call protestors around the country racists (especially those doing so peacefully), claim you have black friends, and so on. Then make a comment about Thunderbird wine and fried chicken. I'm sure your imaginary black friends would greatly appreciate you saying that. Your post was textbook racism using the same old stereotypes that could have went without being said.

But by all means, keep judging an entire group of people based on the actions of some.

[TheRealThing]

^^ Fair enough, but the fact that this stuff is happening is a matter of unfortunate fact, not the imaginations of some over the top conservative. Perhaps you could name one incident where white people burned down the business district of their town for any reason, much less challenge through violence the very fabric on which our nation is founded, that being rule of law? IMO, Mr Obama should have come on TV publicly giving his condolences to the Browns for their loss. Right after that he should have given out stern warning involving violence for any reason including the finding of the Grand Jury. There should have been enough cops around to handle any possibility, and every body who caused civil disturbance should have been summarily carted off to jail. In short, our President should have backed law enforcement and our tradition of orderly society. But no, the Governor of Missouri found himself under fire from the left for going too far in preparation for the madness that indeed manifested itself last night after all.

As to civil rights, I don't agree that "we still have a long way to go." Minorities seeking higher education will find the red carpet rolled out for them. As well as companies and employers of all ilk, who readily hire reliable minority applicants. And, you will never sell me on the notion that black people are rejected by white people. It's a lie from the pit. The short of it all goes like this. The law has to apply to everybody equally, otherwise history is replete with examples of the resulting anarchy taking down that society. I'd like to see what would happen if a white man went down and torched a McDonald's somewhere, saying he didn't like the Michael Brown finding and see what happened to him. This stuff is beyond scary, like I said, it's apocalyptic.

Somewhere Bill Ayers and his cronies are reveling in delight.

[Granny Bear]

I agree that what they are doing is absurd and a slap in the face to the martyrs and civil rights leaders of the 1960's. This isn't what they fought for. However it is just as ridiculous to lump all African Americans into 1 category, and almost ironic that anyone from East Kentucky would ever in any situation make a comment about uneducated, low information voting, welfare recipients.

And Harry Rex, funny you call protestors around the country racists (especially those doing so peacefully), claim you have black friends, and so on. Then make a comment about Thunderbird wine and fried chicken. I'm sure your imaginary black friends would greatly appreciate you saying that. Your post was textbook racism using the same old stereotypes that could have went without being said.

But by all means, keep judging an entire group of people based on the actions of some.

Did you not do the very exact same thing that you cautioned others not to do?? I haven't linked all African Americans into one category. What gives YOU the right to link all eastern Kentucky citizens into the one category entitled "uneducated, low information voting, welfare recipients"?

[TheRealThing]

Did you not do the very exact same thing that you cautioned others not to do?? I haven't linked all African Americans into one category. What gives YOU the right to link all eastern Kentucky citizens into the one category entitled "uneducated, low information voting, welfare recipients"?

Point VERY well taken. We are Americans first. Otherwise, if we get caught up in all this multicultural propaganda, (and that is all that it is), we're toast.

[Motley]

Did you not do the very exact same thing that you cautioned others not to do?? I haven't linked all African Americans into one category. What gives YOU the right to link all eastern Kentucky citizens into the one category entitled "uneducated, low information voting, welfare recipients"?

I didn't. I compared it for comparison sake because of the stereotypes that exist within East Kentucky as well as in the African American community. I wasn't responding to you, nor claiming that you did link all African Americans into one category. Funny that you stood up so quickly for EKY though, but allowed others to make comments in the same way about African Americans and were just going to let it slide because it didn't offend you. Made my point that much easier.

[Motley]

^^ Fair enough, but the fact that this stuff is happening is a matter of unfortunate fact, not the imaginations of some over the top conservative. Perhaps you could name one incident where white people burned down the business district of their town for any reason, much less challenge through violence the very fabric on which our nation is founded, that being rule of law? IMO, Mr Obama should have come on TV publicly giving his condolences to the Browns for their loss. Right after that he should have given out stern warning involving violence for any reason including the finding of the Grand Jury. There should have been enough cops around to handle any possibility, and every body who caused civil disturbance should have been summarily carted off to jail. In short, our President should have backed law enforcement and our tradition of orderly society. But no, the Governor of Missouri found himself under fire from the left for going too far in preparation for the madness that indeed manifested itself last night after all.

As to civil rights, I don't agree that "we still have a long way to go." Minorities seeking higher education will find the red carpet rolled out for them. As well as companies and employers of all ilk, who readily hire reliable minority applicants. And, you will never sell me on the notion that black people are rejected by white people. It's a lie from the pit. The short of it all goes like this. The law has to apply to everybody equally, otherwise history is replete with examples of the resulting anarchy taking down that society. I'd like to see what would happen if a white man went down and torched a McDonald's somewhere, saying he didn't like the Michael Brown finding and see what happened to him. This stuff is beyond scary, like I said, it's apocalyptic.

Somewhere Bill Ayers and his cronies are reveling in delight.

I never said what they were doing was correct. I condemned it and said it was shameful. Just think it's a sad situation all around. But just because of what they're doing is shameful, doesn't mean it represents an entire group of people.

It's difficult to respond to, but I'm nearly positive white America has had its shameful moments in protests/celebrations as I've attached. But when it's celebration it's all in good fun to destroy property.

The announcement should not have been made at 8:00 PM local time. That was a huge mistake they made in first place. Riots regarding race and other factors will happen. It has happened under every President. Nothing they can say or do will stop that from happening.

You can say that African Americans are equal and not looked at any different but posts in this thread say otherwise.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I never said what they were doing was correct. I condemned it and said it was shameful. Just think it's a sad situation all around. But just because of what they're doing is shameful, doesn't mean it represents an entire group of people.

It's difficult to respond to, but I'm nearly positive white America has had its shameful moments in protests/celebrations as I've attached. But when it's celebration it's all in good fun to destroy property.

The announcement should not have been made at 8:00 PM local time. That was a huge mistake they made in first place. Riots regarding race and other factors will happen. It has happened under every President. Nothing they can say or do will stop that from happening.

You can say that African Americans are equal and not looked at any different but posts in this thread say otherwise.

It is time for truth- even when it is blunt. You seem to prefer excuses. If groups, all groups, want to be seen in a better light, they should earn it through being responsible citizens, obeying the law, earning their own way, and policing their own. When thjey get rid of the Al Sharptons, Eric Holders, Barack Obamas, Jesse Jacksons, etc. and develop responsible leaders, they may gain that respect you seem to think they don't have now.

[Motley]

It is time for truth- even when it is blunt. You seem to prefer excuses. If groups, all groups, want to be seen in a better light, they should earn it through being responsible citizens, obeying the law, earning their own way, and policing their own. When thjey get rid of the Al Sharptons, Eric Holders, Barack Obamas, Jesse Jacksons, etc. and develop responsible leaders, they may gain that respect you seem to think they don't have now.

At least you don't deny your prejudice and preconceived notions regarding African Americans. There is actually no excuse for your comment regarding fried chicken. I never made an excuse actually. Would love to know where you see one.

In that case no group should be respected or seen in a positive light since they are judged by the actions of a minority.

[Granny Bear]

I didn't. I compared it for comparison sake because of the stereotypes that exist within East Kentucky as well as in the African American community. I wasn't responding to you, nor claiming that you did link all African Americans into one category. Funny that you stood up so quickly for EKY though, but allowed others to make comments in the same way about African Americans and were just going to let it slide because it didn't offend you. Made my point that much easier.

You didn't compare it for comparison sake??nicker:
I believe you just double talked your way into a corner, but sure that you can direct the culpability of that to someone else....

And by the way Motley, you have NO idea what offends me.

[TheRealThing]

I never said what they were doing was correct. I condemned it and said it was shameful. Just think it's a sad situation all around. But just because of what they're doing is shameful, doesn't mean it represents an entire group of people.

It's difficult to respond to, but I'm nearly positive white America has had its shameful moments in protests/celebrations as I've attached. But when it's celebration it's all in good fun to destroy property.

The announcement should not have been made at 8:00 PM local time. That was a huge mistake they made in first place. Riots regarding race and other factors will happen. It has happened under every President. Nothing they can say or do will stop that from happening.

You can say that African Americans are equal and not looked at any different but posts in this thread say otherwise.

Well, burning a down a town is somewhat more significant that throwing a barricade through the window of a bus. We'll just have to disagree about the equality deal. And after all, that was what Martin Luther King was all about, was it not? He didn't expect privilege based on color, nor would he tolerate bias based on color. He just wanted black folks to be regarded the same as white folks. Not special and not inferior, regular every day people. Just exactly the way the Creator made them, equal. And for the record, I'm white and I get disappointed all the time, I hardly ever get my way.

My travels have taken me all over this earth. I have not known one black man that ever expressed to me that he felt oppressed. Neither have I ever known one white man who engaged in acts of oppression against blacks. I honestly feel that Martin Luther's vision had been largely accomplished in the America of the 70's, 80's and 90's. The insurrection of our day is manufactured if you ask me. And, does it strike anybody else as strange that racial unrest has reared it's head during the last 6 years? We have enough discrimination law on the books to fill a library. To discriminate is illegal and I seriously doubt that it goes on.

It cannot be acceptable for one class of people to burn down a town for any reason. I don't care what that reason might be.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

At least you don't deny your prejudice and preconceived notions regarding African Americans. There is actually no excuse for your comment regarding fried chicken. I never made an excuse actually. Would love to know where you see one.

In that case no group should be respected or seen in a positive light since they are judged by the actions of a minority.

Don't analyze me, Motley. You aren't capable of doing so. Should I have said Fritos instead of fried chicken? After all, they looted liquor stores. And, I suppose that Fritos would have been more available there than fried chicken. However, I doubt that the Thunderbird wine was left on the shelves. Of course, the Maker's Mark and Jack Daniel's (black label, of course) were gone, too.

You can hide behind your political correctness and fake indignation all you want. However, the fact is that these criminals were looking for an opportunity to steal. They have waited months for this opportunity. They had no interest in justice. Only freebies. Surely, you don't deny that.

[Motley]

I never once stood up for what they were doing. Just thought it was immature to make a statement like you did. Many had bad intentions, but not all. I hate what happened but it doesn't make it right to stoop to stereotypical comments about an entire race because of that. Regardless of the group. That's all I have to say.

[Motley]

You didn't compare it for comparison sake??nicker:
I believe you just double talked your way into a corner, but sure that you can direct the culpability of that to someone else....

And by the way Motley, you have NO idea what offends me.

I just find it comical you combed over the stereotypical comments about welfare, being uninformed, and stealing fried chicken but you jumped all over the chance to confront me when I mentioned Appalachia. Your response to that speaks volumes about my point.

[Farmmgr]

You cannot lump all black people into a group. What you can do is identify race baiters and thugs. I watched the video of this kid strong arm robbing a store clerk. In my opinion a thug. Did he get what he deserved I say no but he got what he got. He got what that behavior often leads too. You cant fix stupid and stupid idiots are what you are watching on TV. That being said these stupid idiots are smart enough to know that we live in a society where being perceived as a racist is worse than being a murderer. They know as soon as you pull the race card out its card blanch and all bets are off. Whites cower down run and hide and try to convince everybody they are not racist. The issue at hand is lost. Nothing is solved and back to square one. There is a fraction of the black population that will claim racism until the day comes that they are allowed to rape pillage and slaughter with zero accountability. I as a white man who has always been around blacks, living with them as teammates and neighbors in the projects of Louisiana I have had enough of it. I think those old teammates have had enough also. We are divided more by socio economics in this country than anything, not race. Race is the easiest way to divide and always has been. Obama, Holder and the race baiters understand its easier to conquer by division. This is all about building voting blocks and power. Same as immigration. Being from the deep south I can tell you race relations are worse now than 20 years ago.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I never once stood up for what they were doing. Just thought it was immature to make a statement like you did. Many had bad intentions, but not all. I hate what happened but it doesn't make it right to stoop to stereotypical comments about an entire race because of that. Regardless of the group. That's all I have to say.

It is rather hard to know where to begin. First, I didn't indict the whole black race. I am obviously referring to the deadbeats, the criminals, the con artists, and the welfare kings and queens. While that is a goodly group, it certainly doesn't include all blacks. Next, my allegations are hardly "immature". In regard to the group I am referring to, my allegations are absolutely true. If you don't know it, you are either coming out of a long term coma, completely uninformed, or an Obama worshipper.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Motley must have been the one to burn down autozone.
Why would you do that? Where we gonna buy our parts gangsta?

[Hoot Gibson]

At least you don't deny your prejudice and preconceived notions regarding African Americans. There is actually no excuse for your comment regarding fried chicken. I never made an excuse actually. Would love to know where you see one.

In that case no group should be respected or seen in a positive light since they are judged by the actions of a minority.

I will never understand the sensitivity of many blacks when it comes to associating certain foods with their culture. Fried chicken is not a "black" food and neither is watermelon and many other staples of Southern cooking. Black Americans took southern food with them as they migrated northward to find work.

I lived in Jackson, Mississippi for a year and it is absolutely amazing how many restaurants are there that serve chicken. They are everywhere - in mostly white neighborhoods, mostly black neighborhoods, and in fully integrated neighborhoods. I loved it.

So, why do blacks not embrace southern cuisine like other ethnic groups proudly claim their favorite traditional foods? I loved that catfish, fried chicken, watermelon, and pulled pork was so affordable and easy to find in the Jackson area. Overall, I think that Mississippi had the best food of any area in which I have lived. It was great southern food, not black food or white food but Southern food.

[TheRealVille]

^It's not as much about black people fighting against the southern food stereotypes, it's people like HRV using fried chicken and watermelon as derogatory, racist terms associated with black people. I would bet that HRV has 0 black friends, or he couldn't use those terms associated with black people.

[Hoot Gibson]

^It's not as much about black people fighting against the southern food stereotypes, it's people like HRV using fried chicken and watermelon as derogatory, racist terms associated with black people. I would bet that HRV has 0 black friends, or he couldn't use those terms associated with black people.

I understand that many black people are offended by references to fried chicken and watermelons but the truth is black people eat lots of fried chicken and watermelons and so do southern white people. So why are southern whites not offended by references to fried chicken, watermelons, moon pies and RC Cola? Indian people are not offended by references to curry or biryani. Koreans are proud of their fried chicken and kimchi, and Italians look down on American pizza. So why would any ethnic group not celebrate a food like fried chicken?

Something that most people do not know about central Mississippi is that tamales have been popular in the area for many years. There is a friendly debate over whether blacks or Mexicans introduced tamales to the Jackson area. The best tamales I have ever eaten came from Tony's Tamales in West Jackson and Tony is black. Tony sells tamales to several Mexican restaurants in Jackson.

[TheRealVille]

^Like I said, it's not about the food, it's the racist, derogatory way people like HRV use them. He used the food stereotypes in a racist way.

[Hoot Gibson]

^Like I said, it's not about the food, it's the racist, derogatory way people like HRV use them. He used the food stereotypes in a racist way.

Some people look for reasons to be offended. I understand being offended by stereotypes that paint a race or ethnic group as stupid, lazy, etc., but it will never make sense to me to be offended over the mention of good food. A cold, ripe slice of watermelon on a hot summer day is about as good as it gets.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

^It's not as much about black people fighting against the southern food stereotypes, it's people like HRV using fried chicken and watermelon as derogatory, racist terms associated with black people. I would bet that HRV has 0 black friends, or he couldn't use those terms associated with black people.

You would do better to keep your mouth shut rather than to open it and prove that you are a fool. And, I believe you are the one who mentioned watermelons, didn't you? In addition to blacks, I also have friends who are Democrats. However, that doesn't prevent me from exposing them as morons or worse as voters. Your post, as usual, is silly.