[MCDADDY]

Heard some folks talking about this today. How many Johnson Central players are actually from out of county?

[Kayaker]

All of them. In all honesty there are probably 4-5 that reside outside of Johnson County. But a couple of those have been in the JC school system for a long time so it isnt as if they made the move for football.

[Pepper]

Who all is from another school system, besides Nathaniel Dials?

[Codeman]

I know a boy that plays for them that lives not a mile from me and i live in Magoffin! That just aint right.

[Eagle Eye]

I know a boy that plays for them that lives not a mile from me and i live in Magoffin! That just aint right.

Did he start high school at JCHS or did he transfer in? I know a lot of kids that go to other schools that live in other counties or school districts.

[FOX SPORTS]

Heard some folks talking about this today. How many Johnson Central players are actually from out of county?

Who cares???
Good players or players interested in particular sports gravitate to good programs and coaches.

I have no problem with where a player lives versus where they play, as long as it is the player and his parents choice and there was no recruiting involved.

I know girls interested in cheerleading that end up at schools that take cheerleading very seriously and I know high potential academic kids that end up at schools known to be more proficient academically....Good for them.

I would place my child in the best individual situation as well.

[finepoint]

Heard some folks talking about this today. How many Johnson Central players are actually from out of county?

Just enough to make people notice.

[Sarrr]

Who cares???
Good players or players interested in particular sports gravitate to good programs and coaches.

I have no problem with where a player lives versus where they play, as long as it is the player and his parents choice and there was no recruiting involved.

I know girls interested in cheerleading that end up at schools that take cheerleading very seriously and I know high potential academic kids that end up at schools known to be more proficient academically....Good for them.

I would place my child in the best individual situation as well.

DITTO! So long as my kids enjoy their HS and get the experience that they want & need, I don't care what it takes. I'll drive them 2 hours to school, or MOVE if that's what it takes, to ensure they enjoy it. I HATED my HS days.

But honestly, can you hold it against a parent for taking their kids to a school better in academics? Then you can't hold it against a parent for taking their kids to a school better in something else, whether it be football, basketball, cheerleading, whatever.

[Uncle Buck]

But honestly, can you hold it against a parent for taking their kids to a school better in academics? Then you can't hold it against a parent for taking their kids to a school better in something else, whether it be football, basketball, cheerleading, whatever.

Academics and athletics aren't on the same page in my opinion. Academics is understandable because your brain will take you somewhere, make you someone, why not challenge yourself to be better prepared for college. Athletics are done for leisure. Who care's what your kids win-loss record is. If you are good enough teams will find you no matter where you are or who you play for. Take them to camps to get them exposure if you have to, send out tapes, stat sheets, hire a recruiter for them, and so on. To jump ships for athletic purposes only isn't right. If they are an athlete and their parents have their education in mind as the main priority to take them to a different school and luck out that new school is gifted in the athletic department then there shouldn't be a problem with it. As far as kids at JC from out of county originally I can only think of 2 right off the top of my head, and I think both of them come in during middle school or entering high school.

[Pickle-princess]

I have no dog in this whatsoever, but don't you find it strange that no one cared about "How many Johnson Central Players Were Originally From Out Of County", before JCHS's Football Team became what it is today. I do think that they should follow the rules of KHSAA, don't have a problem with that, but what I do have a problem with is people that just can't stand to see JCHS doing well.

[Old School]

Who cares???
Good players or players interested in particular sports gravitate to good programs and coaches.

I have no problem with where a player lives versus where they play, as long as it is the player and his parents choice and there was no recruiting involved.

I know girls interested in cheerleading that end up at schools that take cheerleading very seriously and I know high potential academic kids that end up at schools known to be more proficient academically....Good for them.

I would place my child in the best individual situation as well.

I agree, every high school has students that are from other counties or other school districts and I'm not just talking about because of athletics or academics, but many students attend other schools for various reasons such as friends, convenience (parents may work closer to another school) or they may just want to get a fresh start.

[badbones1298]

IMO if a player wants to play ball at an out of county school than the parents should move to the county so the kid could play there. I have seen a lot of good players go to other counties to play because they dont like the coach at there respective school and that is not right if you live in a county than you should have to go to school there. If you want to play for a school out of your county than move. IMO

[Cash]

Is this thread really needed? I mean, come on, leave Johnson Central alone. They start winning alot and everyone questions them. The same question can be asked for other schools like Paintsville, Belfry, and Ashland. Leave this alone.

[IRISH4]

I agree, I mean they are currently going through a lot with the KHSAA as it is and plus they are trying to make a state title run. Anyway, if a child chooses to go play ball somewhere then let them go. No need in holding someone back from something they want to do, if they do stay they will just be unhappy and not play to their full potential.

[BballFan63]

Is this thread really needed? I mean, come on, leave Johnson Central alone. They start winning alot and everyone questions them. The same question can be asked for other schools like Paintsville, Belfry, and Ashland. Leave this alone.

I agree with you. Bottom line is that adults make the decisions and the kids are the ones who get hurt. Whether it's the decision that has them in this situation or the person who blew the whistle - it's wrong. The boys have been hurt and that's not right. The decision-making adults (all of them) in this situation should be ashamed of themselves. And you people who keep dredging it up need to be ashamed of yourselves, too.

[EKUAlum05]

Academics and athletics aren't on the same page in my opinion. Academics is understandable because your brain will take you somewhere, make you someone, why not challenge yourself to be better prepared for college. Athletics are done for leisure.

Not saying you are right or wrong, but this is a more in depth topic than many think. Let me give you an actual example and you can judge yourself:

David Jones- Belfry HS, graduated 2004 (pretty sure you heard of him)

Jones grew up in Mingo County, WV and attended the Matewan school system. He started at matewan as a Freshman and Sophomore and garnered All-State honors in his Soph season. During that season, tiny Matewan made the playoffs but couldn't go very far, additionally, anyone familiar with Matewan's Coach Yogi Kinder will say without hesitation he is far from the ebst role model for his players to follow. Kinder openly made racial comments regarding Jones, that coupled with the fact that Matewan standouts rarely gett he chance to play major college football made playign at matewan a tough situation ATHLETICALLY for Jones. Additionally, Mingo County schools are not just among the worst in west Virginia in academics, but among the worst in the nation. At that time, even had Jones wnated to take an AP course to prepare for college it would have been impossible as Matewan did not offer them. In fact, matewan did not even offer Pre-Calculus.

Jones transferred legally to Belfry, there he went to a superior school system in terms of academics to prepare him for college and give him the necessary tools to qualify through the NCAA clearinghouse. He also got the ability to play for a team on a major level (There is NO comparison between the WV State Finals and KY State Finals), which in turn led to his ineviatble invites to camps (Nike Camp) and the D-1 interest that follwoed (Recruited by Kentucky, Virginia Tech, and Ohio state among others)

Had Jones stayed at matewan I would say without hesitation that he would have A) Never been offered a FULL SCHOLARSHIP (major misconception abut NAIA sports, there are very few to no full rides offered) B) He would have never won a state title C) Would have never been recruited by a D-1 school D) And with the track record of athletes in Southern WV, the chance sof him actually remaining in college four years would have been slim

In this case transferring to a better ACADEMIC institure went hand in hand with ATHLETIC success and improving a kid's future.

By no means is every transfer a win-win case such as Jones', but I wouldn't be so quick to disgard that the Athletics and Academics can't have a synergistic connection.

[Kayaker]

Johnson Central currently has something that not many schools in our area can boost, thats great academics and great athletics. JC is one of the top 10 School Systems is the state and have some or are on their way to having some of the nicest athletic facilities in the state. Dont kid yourself, kid and parents want to go somewhere where the child can be successful in the classroom and on the playing fields. Now JC is out here recruiting kids with this information, but like a magnetic it draws them in. Very few of JC's impact players are from out of county, actually I can only think of 2.

[bball fan]

Build it and they will come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NEXT]

I have no dog in this whatsoever, but don't you find it strange that no one cared about "How many Johnson Central Players Were Originally From Out Of County", before JCHS's Football Team became what it is today. I do think that they should follow the rules of KHSAA, don't have a problem with that, but what I do have a problem with is people that just can't stand to see JCHS doing well.

People love to hate winners...................

[Keepnitreal]

People love to hate winners...................

Ain't that the truth!

[charlie22]

People love to hate winners...................

I'm a Highlands fan....tell me about it.

[kyrifle]

Here is the bottom line. If you as a parent have a son that is a very good 7th or 8th grade football player, skill position ie; running back, QB and you want him to have the best opportunity to be seen and to be able to play at the next level JC is without question the place to send your child. As a parent you want the best for your child. I think the last 3 years JC has by far had the best football program around. I'm not saying this for every sport they have there, only in football. Basketball is a little behind right now Shelby Valley and Paintsville right now.

[Capt. DH]

Who cares???
Good players or players interested in particular sports gravitate to good programs and coaches.

I have no problem with where a player lives versus where they play, as long as it is the player and his parents choice and there was no recruiting involved.

I know girls interested in cheerleading that end up at schools that take cheerleading very seriously and I know high potential academic kids that end up at schools known to be more proficient academically....Good for them.

I would place my child in the best individual situation as well.

I 100% agree with FOX. I think that a kid should be able to go where he wants to go. I am not saying that he should switch schools every year but if they don't like their school their freshmen year then let the kid leave and go where he wants as long as it is the parents decision with no outside persuasion.

[Keepnitreal]

I can guarantee that there has been no "persuasion" from anyone associated with the Johnson Central program with regards to any player on the football team. If a kid wants to transfer to Central they have been accepted onto the team, but NOBODY has recruited!

[bobby1]

I 100% agree with FOX. I think that a kid should be able to go where he wants to go. I am not saying that he should switch schools every year but if they don't like their school their freshmen year then let the kid leave and go where he wants as long as it is the parents decision with no outside persuasion.

I agree, but to stop a kid from switching schools every year the parents should be made to move to the district that the kid wants to play in. That would put a stop to school swapping.

I have no connection with Johnson County at all. I am talking in general, to all schools and players.IMO

[Watchful Eye]

I truly think that ALL schools should abide by Khsaa regulations but in this situation I believe it wasn't the schools choice. They didn't recruit the players posters refer to sometimes, myself included. You basically had a very good football coach come to a school that was intereseted in building a football tradition. They hadn't had the best of luck with the football program in the past ..oh...20 years. They offer the job to a fellow known for motivating athletes, on and off the field. The player's parents or guardians felt that Central would have the best chance for them to develop, play, learn and grow. Same thing goes for Paintsville basketball, if you have a grade school age child that shows interest in that sport and wants to work hard...there's the answer. Great Example= I always believed when they created Letcher Central that they would have a great tradition in girls basketball. Whitesburg and Letcher Central.
As a previous poster said, "You build it and they will come"

[Mr.Kimball]

I truly think that ALL schools should abide by Khsaa regulations but in this situation I believe it wasn't the schools choice. They didn't recruit the players posters refer to sometimes, myself included. You basically had a very good football coach come to a school that was intereseted in building a football tradition. They hadn't had the best of luck with the football program in the past ..oh...20 years. They offer the job to a fellow known for motivating athletes, on and off the field. The player's parents or guardians felt that Central would have the best chance for them to develop, play, learn and grow. Same thing goes for Paintsville basketball, if you have a grade school age child that shows interest in that sport and wants to work hard...there's the answer. Great Example= I always believed when they created Letcher Central that they would have a great tradition in girls basketball. Whitesburg and Letcher Central.
As a previous poster said, "You build it and they will come"

Just wondering where you were at during the mid 90's up to 2000. Johnson Central had some dang good football teams. In the last 12 years they have only had three bad seasons, that being the three years after Bill Musick left. Then the begginning of the Matney era. Make no mistake, Bill Musick had a very good football program going.

[JCHS_EAGLE]

I know of 3 out of county kids. Dials, Welch, and Hall

Bill Musick did have a winning program going I was on his teams my Fresh,Soph year before he left. Musick had good numbers and some good players during his time there. The Peck brothers, Josh Banks, Mike Bowlin, there were a lot of good players. I loved musick but he is just not the coach that matney is.:popcorn:

[Blackcat_Fan_#1]

Honestly I don't see the big deal I mean as long as the kid is from a county within a decent range I don't know why they shouldn't be able to choose where they go. This sounds like a lot of people are mad that JCHS is good and they are trying to find any little thing to point out and criticize about. I don't know that there is a school in the area that doesn't have at least one kid from out of area. I mean this point could be made about any school with a good team, more than likely someone on that team is not in the schools district. I think we should just let JCHS have their glory and not try and nick pick at every little thing.

[Mr.Kimball]

I know of 3 out of county kids. Dials, Welch, and Hall

Bill Musick did have a winning program going I was on his teams my Fresh,Soph year before he left. Musick had good numbers and some good players during his time there. The Peck brothers, Josh Banks, Mike Bowlin, there were a lot of good players. I loved musick but he is just not the coach that matney is.:popcorn:

Welch lives just across the county line and has always attended the Johnson County School system. He attended WR Castle Elementary.

So this whole thread is over a grand total of 2 out of county kids that transferred in?