[plantmanky]

First Mathew Perry now Malcolm-Jamal Warner killed via drowning.  What is going on with NBC actors.

[jetpilot]

Plus CBS drowned Colbert in a river of tears...

[Old School Hound]

Plus CBS drowned Colbert in a river of tears...

[Westside]

The Cosby Show was one of my all-time favorite shows if not my all-time favorite.  RIP, Malcolm.

[Old School Hound]

MJW was a very talented guy. Actor, producer, director, poet, bass player. Sad end to a successful life. I would never want to die by drownng or by fire. Seems like a bad way to go. If I had to choose a way to die by my own hands I would probably choose to do like Brad Delp and fire up a couple of charcoal grills in my unvented bathroom.

[Hoot Gibson]

You need professional help. Seriously. Short of that, I will offer a bit of free, unsolicited advice. 

I found that increasing the time that I devoted to things that brought me joy lifted me out of deep depression. I tried three different anti-depressants and none of them brought me happiness.

In my case, I ultimately switched careers. The aspect of my job that I enjoyed most was problem solving and computer programming, so I decided to do that full-time. If you can find a way to get paid for doing something that you truly enjoy, then resolve to make it happen.

I don't know what triggered my depression, but drastically changing scenery and my daily routine worked for me. Good luck to you on a speedy recovery.

[King Kong]

When I was bad off with anxiety, ocd, and depression it was hard to find a medicine that helped.  They tried me on some that just made me feel worse than I already was. It was like I was a real life zombie is what I felt like.

After trial and error of trying me on several different medications that didn't help or made things worse, finally able to find something that actually helped.  And again my counselor/psychiatrist was one of the best, and so was my support cast.

[Old School Hound]

When I was bad off with anxiety, ocd, and depression it was hard to find a medicine that helped.  They tried me on some that just made me feel worse than I already was. It was like I was a real life zombie is what I felt like.

After trial and error of trying me on several different medications that didn't help or made things worse, finally able to find something that actually helped.  And again my counselor/psychiatrist was one of the best, and so was my support cast.

I worry that meds might make me worse, maybe even turn me into a psycho killer. One uncle blew his brains out on the sidewalk close to his home. My other uncle has been free maybe three years out of the last forty -five. The rest of the time was spent in a maximum security prison. My uncle's son is messed up in the head, spent five years in the state pen. If I thought  I would be given a med that would help the depression, the destructive ,compulsive thoughts, I wouldn't hesitate to get on the meds. But I have heard so many cases where they didn't help or made the person worse. Worse for someone like me could be the end .

[Granny Bear]

By doing nothing, you won't get better. Sometimes meds have to be adjusted and it can take a while to get an effective result, but at least that's going in the better direction.

[jetpilot]

By doing nothing, you won't get better.  Sometimes meds have to be adjusted and it can take a while to get an effective result, but at least that's going in the better direction.

Absolutely. That seems to be the route you are going OSH. Please tell us that is not the case and you are fighting and not giving up.

[King Kong]

By doing nothing, you won't get better.  Sometimes meds have to be adjusted and it can take a while to get an effective result, but at least that's going in the better direction.

I agree with your post Granny 110%  

It took some time to find medicines that actually worked for me, but we did. Different medications work best for different people.  The medicine thats helped me the most isn't even a narcotic.  And I was in bad shape with mental illnesses, about as bad as one could get with it. And the medicine that has helped me the most isn't even a narcotic!

Again also, a strong support cast, trust in the Good Lord, and hobbies really helped me and still does. Something that might help you get the edge a little bit, on what your going through. 

And OSH I'm not lying when I say this, I'll be pulling for Corbin this year every game except for one    when they play JC!

[Old School Hound]

You all bless my heart. Granny, Jet, Kong. I love you all. Such wonderful people. I just feel I am fighting a losing battle with my mind. It's a shame how our minds can betray us. I saw a counselor for awhile. Nice woman. Smart woman. Just didn't help. She did suggest seeing a psychiatric nurse who could suggest some medications. I joke aboiut meds but I have always been reluctant to even take a Tylenol if I can possibly avoid it. One thing that I don't know if I've mentioned or not but I also do self-harm behaviors. Not cutting myself, but I do punch myself in the face quite often. Has anyone else ever showed self harm behaviors? If so, how did you gain control of that?

[Granny Bear]

I haven't ever self harmed but I smoked like a fiend for 40 years. That was enough!!

I was lucky in that what my doctor prescribed worked from the start. I know a lot of folks who take medication that had to adjust more than one time. I take Lexapro, which is a synthetic of Prozac. It doesn't sedate me or make me feel goofy, but takes the peaks and valleys out of my moods.

As far as taking meds is concerned, OSH, if taking a pill makes you feel better then why would you NOT do it?? I take 11 pills/day, and am proud that they all work. If it would make me better, and was prescribed by my doctor, I'd take 20. Over half of what I take are not prescriptions, but were recommended by or approved by my doctor. Such as Vitamin D, Tumeric (works great for arthritis pain), baby aspirin, Vitamin B12, Fish Oil and Vitamin C. I don't mind taking a pill or 12 when they help me.

[King Kong]

Like Granny I used to smoke like a freight train. I'd smoke half a pack, 10 cigarettes in a single sit down.  I was going thru several packs a day. I knew this wasn't good but I didn't care. Haven't smoked a cigarette now in around 12 year's.  Can't even stand to look at one now, brings back bad memories. 

Like OSH I hate medicines.  I once messed my ankle and leg up so bad, I  had to take therapy to learn how to walk again.  I was on crutches for so long, I had no balance when I tried to walk. I'd just fall over lol

The dr I seen kept offering me different pain medicines each time I seen him. I wouldn't take any.  I barely took a aspirin even during this time.  The dr told both my wife and mom how impressed he was, that I wouldn't take pain medicine.  He said he seen people in not nearly as bad of shape as I was in, begging for pain meds. He said I was tough. Idk about that, crazy would be a better word to describe me 

Different meds work best for different people, in terms of anxiety and depression.  They tried me on several that just made things worse. Shoot, they give me a sleeping pill and I started sleeping less after I took it lol

The medicine that helped me most is buisporone, or something like that, guaranteed I blundered the spelling on it. It's not even a narcotic.  So different treatment plans and medicines work best for different people. 

OSH a punching bag is a good work out. I'm no boxer but it's a good workout.  Hit a punching bag a few times and you'll be to tired to even think about harming yourself, you'll just want to rest. Just watch and don't over do it on the workout.

[Granny Bear]

You're pretty dang close!!! Buspirone, or Buspar as most people refer to it. None of the anxiety medicines are narcotic. Back in the day, docs used to hand out Librium and Valium as "nerve" pills. And they were quite addictive. Mostly what they did was sedate, and not medicate the problem. We have made some positive growth in mental illnesses and treatments, IMO.

[King Kong]

You're pretty dang close!!!  Buspirone, or Buspar as most people refer to it.  None of the anxiety medicines are narcotic.  Back in the day, docs used to hand out Librium and Valium as "nerve" pills.  And they were quite addictive.  Mostly what they did was sedate, and not medicate the problem.  We have made some positive growth in mental illnesses and treatments, IMO.

Thanks Granny for fixing my spelling for me  I'm terrible at spelling sometimes lol

Also thanks for the clarification that none of the anxiety meds are narcotics, I did not know that. 

We definitely have made positive growth in mental illnesses treatment.  Along with more people being aware and more understanding of those with mental illnesses.  Because until it happened to me, I had no clue what anyone had been thru that was dealing with it.

[Granny Bear]

I also think we have advanced toward reducing the stigma of mental/emotional issues. I did a two month round at East Tennessee State Hospital. That has been many many years ago, and I don't think it exists any more. But most of my patients were Vietnam veterans; some with some pretty severe physical trauma along with their mental trauma. I was ashamed of myself when I realized that these weren't the typical "crazy" people, but very much like me who were trying to deal with enormous trials and tribulations. I learned a lot more than psych nursing protocols during that time, and I haven't forgotten those lessons!!!

[Old School Hound]

I haven't ever self harmed but I smoked like a fiend for 40 years.  That was enough!!

I was lucky in that what my doctor prescribed worked from the start.  I know a lot of folks who take medication that had to adjust more than one time.  I take Lexapro, which is a synthetic of Prozac.  It doesn't sedate me or make me feel goofy, but takes the peaks and valleys out of my moods.

As far as taking meds is concerned, OSH, if taking a pill makes you feel better then why would you NOT do it??  I take 11 pills/day, and am proud that they all work.  If it would make me better, and was prescribed by my doctor, I'd take 20.  Over half of what I take are not prescriptions, but were recommended by or approved by my doctor.  Such as Vitamin D, Tumeric (works great for arthritis pain), baby aspirin, Vitamin B12, Fish Oil and Vitamin C.  I don't mind taking a pill or 12 when they help me.

I have terrible arthritis pain in my knee, Granny. I can't sleep at night because of it. What form of tumeric do you take for arthritis? Is it in pill form? My knee pain has been terrible today. So bad that it causes me to be somewhat nauseated. This knee pain definitely doesn't help the depression issues, especially since I can't sleep because of it.

[Granny Bear]

Tumeric Curcumin 500 mg. You can find it anywhere Vitamins are sold. I get mine at Walmart, or sometimes I can find them on sale at CVS or Food City Pharmacy.

May I tell you, you need to be sure you're treating osteo arthritis. Go to your general practitioner and get a good check up. Discuss your issues/needs, and get some good professional advice. If you don't have a GP, I can recommend a great one!! IF you aren't sexist. Tumeric works for me. I'm not sure how it would work for others. Could be that it works in conjunction with my other arthritis meds. I just want the best result for you.

[Old School Hound]

Tumeric Curcumin 500 mg.  You can find it anywhere Vitamins are sold.  I get mine at Walmart, or sometimes I can find them on sale at CVS or Food City Pharmacy. 

May I tell you, you need to be sure you're treating osteo arthritis.  Go to your general practitioner and get a good check up.  Discuss your issues/needs, and get some good professional advice.  If you don't have a GP, I can recommend a great one!!  IF you aren't sexist.    Tumeric works for me.  I'm not sure how it would work for others.  Could be that it works in conjunction with my other arthritis meds.  I just want the best result for you.

Would you recommend cortisone shot. Has that ever given you some relief? I'll try shots, pills, anything.

[Granny Bear]

I cannot "recommend" anything, because I don't know what's going on with you health-wise. Doesn't sound like you know either. My recommendation is to find a GP/family practitioner that you trust and get a good physical. Then go from there. Like I said, I can recommend a doctor that I trust, and my trust does not come easily.

Generally, cortisone injections are given in conjunction with lidocaine. The lidocaine will numb the area for a time, giving the cortisone more time to do it's job. Cortisone works primarily on inflammation. If you in fact have osteo arthritis, your pain is caused by inflammation or bone on bone activity. Personally, I am cautious about cortisone injections. I've never had them.

Arthritis is an insidious SOB. It has effected every single joint in my body, particularly my spine. Arthritic spurs have frozen and attached my L1-L3 vertebrae. I was recently diagnosed with spondylolisthesis. This is where the vertebrae have been mislocated and no longer line up straight. They can be twisted, or just slid out of alignment. I have both.

Getting old is not for the weak!!!

[Granny Bear]

An afterthought: I WOULD definitely recommend YIN yoga. That's the one thing that helps my back pain. The stretching exercises are simply amazing!!
If Harlan has a yoga teacher, Corbin MUST have one!!

[jetpilot]

I'm going to send long post shortly. I have starred in this movie and I'll tell you what worked for me.

[Granny Bear]

Booze and bimboes!!!

[jetpilot]

^^^That is a universally known cure all but unfortunately arthritis pain needs a more specific treatment.

[jetpilot]

Years ago I was on the coach for a month with excruciating knee pain. Kept waiting for it to go away. Big mistake.

[jetpilot]

Through medical advice and proactive trial and error I almost never have any knee pain. Here is what worked for me and hope it helps OSH.

[jetpilot]

1. Diet change, weight loss, exercise, yoga, turmeric etc are 100% necessary. BUT, that is medium/long term/maintenance fix. Got to do it. However, you are in crisis mode and need very quick if not immediate relief.

[jetpilot]

2. This would be my plan. You need to work this plan every. single. day.

[jetpilot]

3. GP can help some but can't fix it. Get GP to get you an appointment with a rheumatologist ASAP. If you don't have a GP find one yourself but you need one bad.