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10-09-2008, 02:29 PM
http://www.FightTheSmears.com
Smear groups and now a desperate McCain campaign are trying to connect Barack to William Ayers using age-old guilt by association techniques. Here’s the truth: the smear associating Barack to Ayers is “phony,” “tenuous,” – even “exaggerated at best if not outright false.”
William Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with whom Barack served on the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990’s. According to the Associated Press, they are not close: “No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago …”
Smear groups and the McCain campaign are trying to connect Obama to acts Ayers committed 40 years ago – when Barack was just eight years old. Here’s what the New York Times reported on the connection:
But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”
Barack has publicly denounced Ayers’ radical actions from the 1960’s:
Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.
Smear groups and now a desperate McCain campaign are trying to connect Barack to William Ayers using age-old guilt by association techniques. Here’s the truth: the smear associating Barack to Ayers is “phony,” “tenuous,” – even “exaggerated at best if not outright false.”
William Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with whom Barack served on the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990’s. According to the Associated Press, they are not close: “No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago …”
Smear groups and the McCain campaign are trying to connect Obama to acts Ayers committed 40 years ago – when Barack was just eight years old. Here’s what the New York Times reported on the connection:
But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”
Barack has publicly denounced Ayers’ radical actions from the 1960’s:
Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.
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10-09-2008, 04:37 PM
The 2 men do not appear to be close. And because it appears that they were not close, then this is the truth about Barack Obama and it is smearing his name. This is speculation and has false title. It is true that they have been associated. Is it true that they lived near one another. It is true that they served on the same board. While we don't know if they were best friends, they obviously knew one another and had associations. So tell us the truth then. All McCain is doing is making people aware of this connection. He is not saying Obama was best friends with the man and shared his views. However, if Obama has been associated with this man as well as the man he chose to be his pastor for so long, then it makes it tough to believe that the views of his friends has not shaped Obama's views in some way. I mean, you sit under a pastor for 18 years, and you start to think like him. Otherwise, if you don't, then you're not paying attention, and you're only going for a political stunt or some other reason. So tell me what is the truth?
10-09-2008, 04:51 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. I knew that report on CNN was biased.
10-09-2008, 05:15 PM
WheelsNdaSky Wrote:The 2 men do not appear to be close. And because it appears that they were not close, then this is the truth about Barack Obama and it is smearing his name. This is speculation and has false title. It is true that they have been associated. Is it true that they lived near one another. It is true that they served on the same board. While we don't know if they were best friends, they obviously knew one another and had associations. So tell us the truth then. All McCain is doing is making people aware of this connection. He is not saying Obama was best friends with the man and shared his views. However, if Obama has been associated with this man as well as the man he chose to be his pastor for so long, then it makes it tough to believe that the views of his friends has not shaped Obama's views in some way. I mean, you sit under a pastor for 18 years, and you start to think like him. Otherwise, if you don't, then you're not paying attention, and you're only going for a political stunt or some other reason. So tell me what is the truth?
The problem is, Palin is stating that Obama was "palling around" with Ayers.
According to the Associated Press, they are not close: âNo evidence shows they were âpalsâ or even close when they worked on community boards years ago â¦â
Barack has publicly denounced Ayersâ radical actions from the 1960âs:
Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.
McCain is not just making people aware of this connection. If it is nothing more than "making a connection" then why bring it up? He and his campaign are trying to strike fear into people's minds by having them make a connection between terrorism and Barack Obama.
I live in a neighborhood where I'm sure shady things go on from time to time, does that mean that I should be reprimanded in the future for the neighbors I live around? The fact is I did not consider who lived around me when picking my home, I chose based on location and price. A lot of the time, we cannot help who we live around.
BTW, the board that Obama and Ayers sat on was overseen by Walter Annenberg, a former ambassador appointed by Reagan.
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10-09-2008, 05:16 PM
jetpilot Wrote:That site isn't fighting any smears against conservatives...please, don't title a thread "the truth" and link to an ultra-liberal website...
It's my opinion, and I am posting as myself, not on behalf on BGR. It is also the title of the article I posted, I did not come up with the title. If you click the link and visit the article you will see that the article is entitled "The Truth About Barack Obama and William Ayers."
Why is it ultra-liberal? Because it doesn't come from Fox News?
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10-09-2008, 05:23 PM
ComfortEagle Wrote:It's my opinion, and I am posting as myself, not on behalf on BGR. It is also the title of the article I posted, I did not come up with the title. If you click the link and visit the article you will see that the article is entitled "The Truth About Barack Obama and William Ayers."
Why is it ultra-liberal? Because it doesn't come from Fox News?
No, it's ultra-liberal because it promotes ultra-liberal views, and uses spin and outright lies to do it...
10-09-2008, 05:25 PM
This didn't come from Fox News:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/26/...the-money/
There are many many more articles just like this out there, but the liberals don't want to hear it...
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/26/...the-money/
There are many many more articles just like this out there, but the liberals don't want to hear it...
10-09-2008, 05:26 PM
jetpilot Wrote:No, it's ultra-liberal because it promotes ultra-liberal views, and uses spin and outright lies to do it...
What is it spinning and lying about? Can you point out where in the article any blatant lies are?
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10-09-2008, 05:29 PM
I read your article jetpilot, and the claim they made in your article a lie:
But that is not all. Barack also was essentially an employee of Bill Ayers for eight years.
In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers. Ayers co-wrote the initial grant proposal and proudly lists himself on his own website as the co-founder of the Challenge.
While it is true that they were on this same board, Obama was not being paid by Ayers as your article implies. The funding for the Annenberg Challenge was obtained by Walter Annenberg a former ambassador appointed by Reagan.
But that is not all. Barack also was essentially an employee of Bill Ayers for eight years.
In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers. Ayers co-wrote the initial grant proposal and proudly lists himself on his own website as the co-founder of the Challenge.
While it is true that they were on this same board, Obama was not being paid by Ayers as your article implies. The funding for the Annenberg Challenge was obtained by Walter Annenberg a former ambassador appointed by Reagan.
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10-09-2008, 05:34 PM
ComfortEagle Wrote:I read your article jetpilot, and the claim they made in your article a lie:Ever heard of the Annenberg Foundation?
But that is not all. Barack also was essentially an employee of Bill Ayers for eight years.
In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers. Ayers co-wrote the initial grant proposal and proudly lists himself on his own website as the co-founder of the Challenge.
While it is true that they were on this same board, Obama was not being paid by Ayers as your article implies. The funding for the Annenberg Challenge was obtained by Walter Annenberg a former ambassador appointed by Reagan.
http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/
10-09-2008, 05:37 PM
DevilsWin Wrote:Ever heard of the Annenberg Foundation?
http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/
Yes, and I believe that is what we're talking about here, the CAC, or Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
You can go to the Annenberg Foundation site and see that they have opened their records on the CAC.
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10-09-2008, 05:39 PM
On December 17, 1993, the Annenberg Foundation launched the Annenberg Challenge for School Reform with a five-year $500 million grant to revive and inspire school reform efforts in this nation. The Challenge brought together civic, business and university leaders, as well as foundations and other groups, in support of 18 school improvement projects, and it built broad public-private coalitions consisting of mayors, superintendents, principals, union leaders, civic leaders and community groups. The CAC was supported with a $49.2 million grant.
Founding members of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Board were: Susan Crown, vice president, Henry Crown Company; Patricia Graham, president, The Spencer Foundation, and former dean, Harvard Graduate School of Education; Stanley Ikenberry, president-emeritus, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; Handy Lindsey, executive director, Field Foundation; Barack Obama; Arnold Weber, former president, Northwestern University, and president, Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; and Wanda White, executive director, Community Workshop on Economic Development.
■ The Chicago Annenberg Challenge has no record of providing any salary for William Ayers.
^All from the Annenberg Foundation's website.
Founding members of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Board were: Susan Crown, vice president, Henry Crown Company; Patricia Graham, president, The Spencer Foundation, and former dean, Harvard Graduate School of Education; Stanley Ikenberry, president-emeritus, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; Handy Lindsey, executive director, Field Foundation; Barack Obama; Arnold Weber, former president, Northwestern University, and president, Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; and Wanda White, executive director, Community Workshop on Economic Development.
■ The Chicago Annenberg Challenge has no record of providing any salary for William Ayers.
^All from the Annenberg Foundation's website.
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10-10-2008, 11:57 AM
EkyLb Wrote:It means there is much more of a connection than Obama would have you believe.
What it really means is that McCain is slipping in the polls, so Fox has sent out their trolls to sling some old mud.
10-10-2008, 12:32 PM
Coach_Owens87 Wrote:What it really means is that McCain is slipping in the polls, so Fox has sent out their trolls to sling some old mud.
Don't change the subject.
Face it Obama lied about his connection to Ayers. A terrorist and a communist, plain and simple.
10-10-2008, 02:06 PM
DevilsWin Wrote:You seem to think that Obama and the Democrats are freedom hating Christian persecuting demons that were sent here to spend your money, destroy America and turn everyone into Gay Muslims.
I don't think that. I do think they want to spend all our money for us though.
Plus how could anyone like Pelosi or Reed or Frank?
10-10-2008, 08:28 PM
I have been told that often the truth lies somewhere in the grey area. Maybe Obama and Ayers were more connected than Obama is making it out to be, but on that same note, I do not think they were as connected as McCain, Sean Hannity, and Fox News are making it out to be.
However, I think it is wrong to assume that somehow if Obama wins, he will turn into someone like Ayers or even consult with Ayers. I'm pretty sure his ties, whatever they may have been, are completely severed with him now and we shouldn't harp on the past. If we are going to harp on the past then we could bring up some things in John McCain's past (Keating 5) but the fact is, it is not relevant to the present.
I used to hang out with some shady people, but I do not associate with them anymore and I don't consider myself part of that crowd. We live and learn and no one is perfect.
However, I think it is wrong to assume that somehow if Obama wins, he will turn into someone like Ayers or even consult with Ayers. I'm pretty sure his ties, whatever they may have been, are completely severed with him now and we shouldn't harp on the past. If we are going to harp on the past then we could bring up some things in John McCain's past (Keating 5) but the fact is, it is not relevant to the present.
I used to hang out with some shady people, but I do not associate with them anymore and I don't consider myself part of that crowd. We live and learn and no one is perfect.
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10-11-2008, 12:31 AM
ComfortEagle Wrote:I have been told that often the truth lies somewhere in the grey area. Maybe Obama and Ayers were more connected than Obama is making it out to be, but on that same note, I do not think they were as connected as McCain, Sean Hannity, and Fox News are making it out to be.
However, I think it is wrong to assume that somehow if Obama wins, he will turn into someone like Ayers or even consult with Ayers. I'm pretty sure his ties, whatever they may have been, are completely severed with him now and we shouldn't harp on the past. If we are going to harp on the past then we could bring up some things in John McCain's past (Keating 5) but the fact is, it is not relevant to the present.
I used to hang out with some shady people, but I do not associate with them anymore and I don't consider myself part of that crowd. We live and learn and no one is perfect.
Did you go to church for 20 years with a nutbag preacher and then claim you didn't realize he was a nutbag, didn't get his message???
10-11-2008, 02:14 AM
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/...ordinator/
Obama Muslim Outreach Coordinator Under Fire for Meeting with Extremists. Another interesting read and it is from Fox News. They are saying nothing to smear Obama's name, but simply giving a story. I wonder what the truth about Obama is? How do you explain this? How do you cover it up? Is Obama just blatantly dumb to the fact that this goes on? Or is it merely him reaching out? Or could it be that he's a tricky character who happens to be a good orator? I don't trust him. I don't fully believe Obama is 'palling around with terrorists' or 'is the antichrist' as I've heard, but I don't want him leading the country I live in yet. He has no record of doing anything for it yet. I didn't want McCain as much either, but at least he has a record of putting his country first and doing stuff for it.
Obama Muslim Outreach Coordinator Under Fire for Meeting with Extremists. Another interesting read and it is from Fox News. They are saying nothing to smear Obama's name, but simply giving a story. I wonder what the truth about Obama is? How do you explain this? How do you cover it up? Is Obama just blatantly dumb to the fact that this goes on? Or is it merely him reaching out? Or could it be that he's a tricky character who happens to be a good orator? I don't trust him. I don't fully believe Obama is 'palling around with terrorists' or 'is the antichrist' as I've heard, but I don't want him leading the country I live in yet. He has no record of doing anything for it yet. I didn't want McCain as much either, but at least he has a record of putting his country first and doing stuff for it.
10-11-2008, 11:38 AM
WheelsNdaSky Wrote:http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/...ordinator/
Obama Muslim Outreach Coordinator Under Fire for Meeting with Extremists. Another interesting read and it is from Fox News. They are saying nothing to smear Obama's name, but simply giving a story. I wonder what the truth about Obama is? How do you explain this? How do you cover it up? Is Obama just blatantly dumb to the fact that this goes on? Or is it merely him reaching out? Or could it be that he's a tricky character who happens to be a good orator? I don't trust him. I don't fully believe Obama is 'palling around with terrorists' or 'is the antichrist' as I've heard, but I don't want him leading the country I live in yet. He has no record of doing anything for it yet. I didn't want McCain as much either, but at least he has a record of putting his country first and doing stuff for it.
Thanks for the Fox news. You all keep posting Fox News links like anyone other than you takes them seriously.
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10-11-2008, 11:44 AM
jetpilot Wrote:Did you go to church for 20 years with a nutbag preacher and then claim you didn't realize he was a nutbag, didn't get his message???
It's my impression, and I don't know for sure because I've never been to that church, that Rev. Wright was not as hateful or crazy as his is/was in the recent past.
Oprah used to go to Rev. Wright's church as well and millions of women in the U.S. watch her every day, like her, and I'm sure they feel she has good judgment. It was a very popular black church in the area, but also probably a political move. I don't know, but I would guess that his church was the one the rest of the black politicians went to. I don't know, just saying.
Have I sat in a pugh and listened to things I didn't agree with? Yes. Did I leave the church because I didn't agree with them? No.
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10-14-2008, 09:14 AM
If the connection to Ayers was so slight why did Obama lie about it? Why did Obama lie about his connection to ACORN, its not being associated that brings up questions, or atleast makes them stick around this long, its the fact he LIED about it. Makes ya think he must be hiding something. Maybe not, but he should explain his blatant lies.
You need to check out some of the radical doctrine's the Trinity Church upholds. Makes Osama look like a peace maker.
You need to check out some of the radical doctrine's the Trinity Church upholds. Makes Osama look like a peace maker.
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