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11-20-2008, 02:22 PM
'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location
Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
Of course I guess he is racist also.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PA...geId=80931
Now before you all start posting the supposed pictures of Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, I will let you all know that a COLB is not the same as a Birth Certificate. HI has really wierd BC laws.
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childâs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."
The case also raises the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship.
Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."
Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
Of course I guess he is racist also.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PA...geId=80931
Now before you all start posting the supposed pictures of Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, I will let you all know that a COLB is not the same as a Birth Certificate. HI has really wierd BC laws.
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childâs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."
The case also raises the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship.
Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."
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11-20-2008, 02:40 PM
This isn't the only issue. If he was born in Hawaii, there are four (4) other obstacles to Senator Obama’s eligibility. In and about 1967, Senator Obama moved to Indonesia, took the last name of his stepfather, Soetoro, and went by the name Barry Soetoro. In original legal action filed by Mr. Berg, he presented Senator Obama’s school registration, showing him registered as Barry Soetoro, Citizenship-Indonesian, Religion Islam, signed by L. Soetoro. From 1945, Indonesia has not allowed dual citizenship and, therefore, Ms. Dunham-Obama-Soetoro, Senator Obama’s mother, had to relinquish her son’s U.S. citizenship in order to obtain Indonesian citizenship for him, which would make him ineligible to become a United States President. Additionally, the United States could not allow dual citizenship with Indonesia at that time, as Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, and it was prohibited by the Hague Convention of 1930, as interfering with the internal affairs of another sovereign Country.
In addition, upon return to the United States in and around 1971-1972, Senator Obama would have been required to go to the then current immigration procedures to regain his U.S. citizenship. There is no record of him ever doing that. Even if he had done so, he would be considered a naturalized
citizen and not a “natural born” citizen.
Additionally, assuming Senator Obama was born in what is now Kenya, at the time of Senator Obama’s birth in 1961, (now) Kenya was the British Protectorate of Zanzibar and Senator Obama was automatically accorded a form of British citizenship under Section 32(1) of the British Nationality Act of 1948, effective date January 28, 1949, based on his father’s citizenship.
Finally, in 1981, Senator Obama traveled to Pakistan, when there was a ban for U.S. citizens to travel to Pakistan. The only logical possibility for him to do so was by using one of his other passports: Indonesian, Kenyan, or British
In addition, upon return to the United States in and around 1971-1972, Senator Obama would have been required to go to the then current immigration procedures to regain his U.S. citizenship. There is no record of him ever doing that. Even if he had done so, he would be considered a naturalized
citizen and not a “natural born” citizen.
Additionally, assuming Senator Obama was born in what is now Kenya, at the time of Senator Obama’s birth in 1961, (now) Kenya was the British Protectorate of Zanzibar and Senator Obama was automatically accorded a form of British citizenship under Section 32(1) of the British Nationality Act of 1948, effective date January 28, 1949, based on his father’s citizenship.
Finally, in 1981, Senator Obama traveled to Pakistan, when there was a ban for U.S. citizens to travel to Pakistan. The only logical possibility for him to do so was by using one of his other passports: Indonesian, Kenyan, or British
11-20-2008, 03:30 PM
alfus21 Wrote:If "WorldnetDaily.com" is reporting this you can guarantee it is going to be huge!
Well you're not gonna see MSM run with it, maybe they will start to pick it up now that Keyes has filed a suit. I believe there are 12 current suits active and Obama is spending so much money trying to fight them when he could just release his BC and end it right away.
11-20-2008, 05:12 PM
I don't think that the Indonesian dual citizenship thing will be a problem. I mean he may have went over there, attended school, "had" to be declared a citizen in order to attend, buuuut how likely is it that the system was so advanced that either country would know about the dual citizenship and all rights were relinquished?
Furthermore, in modern day, I cannot see the United States and the Democratic National Committee letting anyone run for President who by law is ineligible. Why would he himself attempt to run if he knew that he would be caught and stopped? Isn't it more of an embarassment to be elected and have to forfeit your reign as a country's President rather than never run at all?
The Republicans can jump on this all they want because they see it as a slight glimmer of hope that McCain may be the elect but I don't think it is happening.
Furthermore, in modern day, I cannot see the United States and the Democratic National Committee letting anyone run for President who by law is ineligible. Why would he himself attempt to run if he knew that he would be caught and stopped? Isn't it more of an embarassment to be elected and have to forfeit your reign as a country's President rather than never run at all?
The Republicans can jump on this all they want because they see it as a slight glimmer of hope that McCain may be the elect but I don't think it is happening.
11-20-2008, 05:54 PM
thetribe Wrote:I don't think that the Indonesian dual citizenship thing will be a problem. I mean he may have went over there, attended school, "had" to be declared a citizen in order to attend, buuuut how likely is it that the system was so advanced that either country would know about the dual citizenship and all rights were relinquished?
Furthermore, in modern day, I cannot see the United States and the Democratic National Committee letting anyone run for President who by law is ineligible. Why would he himself attempt to run if he knew that he would be caught and stopped? Isn't it more of an embarassment to be elected and have to forfeit your reign as a country's President rather than never run at all?
The Republicans can jump on this all they want because they see it as a slight glimmer of hope that McCain may be the elect but I don't think it is happening.
I don't think there is a problem.....but....why can't the guy just produce the documents and put it all to rest...I mean how hard would that be???
11-21-2008, 03:27 AM
jetpilot Wrote:I don't think there is a problem.....but....why can't the guy just produce the documents and put it all to rest...I mean how hard would that be???
I read somewhere online another theory as to why Obama is doing his best to avoid making his birth certificate public. It alluded to his being listed as Muslim on the form. In his adult life, he's a declared Christian. In the Muslim world, renouncing Islam for another belief is a capitol offense.
The author stated the BC would prove his change of faiths, he would instantly become marked for execution by Muslim extremists.
Of course, that may be as kookie as some of the other stuff you find on radical websites...
11-21-2008, 09:37 AM
MSM will not run with this until it picks up more speed.
Oneijoe, the man is gonna be the President. I can almost guarantee you he is marked by those extremists anyways. He needs to just produce the proper documents. The more this drags out, the less people are going to believe when this is settled. They will feel like there is soem type of cover up. Our country doesn't need that right now, he stated his entire campaign that everything he did as President would be transparent. Yet so far everything has been completely secretive.
Oneijoe, the man is gonna be the President. I can almost guarantee you he is marked by those extremists anyways. He needs to just produce the proper documents. The more this drags out, the less people are going to believe when this is settled. They will feel like there is soem type of cover up. Our country doesn't need that right now, he stated his entire campaign that everything he did as President would be transparent. Yet so far everything has been completely secretive.
11-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Beetle01 Wrote:MSM will not run with this until it picks up more speed.
Oneijoe, the man is gonna be the President. I can almost guarantee you he is marked by those extremists anyways. He needs to just produce the proper documents. The more this drags out, the less people are going to believe when this is settled. They will feel like there is soem type of cover up. Our country doesn't need that right now, he stated his entire campaign that everything he did as President would be transparent. Yet so far everything has been completely secretive.
No, Only CERTAIN people will believe that it is a cover-up
11-21-2008, 02:00 PM
Crossbones Wrote:http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bir...ficate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
What are those supposed to show me?
11-21-2008, 02:02 PM
Beetle01 Wrote:What are those supposed to show me?Read them. Looked pretty plain to me. I was simply putting information out, just as you were.
It plainly states the birth certificate was not a forgery and was copied from the original Certificate of Live Birth.
11-21-2008, 02:07 PM
Crossbones Wrote:Read them. Looked pretty plain to me. I was simply putting information out, just as you were.
so snopes posting their opinion is the same as actual court cases?
BTW a COLB is not the same as a BC.
Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childâs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."
Not only that Obama is spening millions blocking people from finding his financial records of how he afforded to goto a placelike Harvard. He is blocking people from releasing papers he wrote in college. So much for a "transparent" presidency. He's starting already to look as bad as Bush.
11-21-2008, 02:28 PM
Beetle01 Wrote:so snopes posting their opinion is the same as actual court cases?So WDN (a socially conservative website) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily posting a article which is not on any of the major news sites more credible? Are you sure they are different?http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_di..._of_Hawaii
BTW a COLB is not the same as a BC.
Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childâs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."
Not only that Obama is spening millions blocking people from finding his financial records of how he afforded to goto a placelike Harvard. He is blocking people from releasing papers he wrote in college. So much for a "transparent" presidency. He's starting already to look as bad as Bush.
The quoted paragraph tell me nothing but what I have already read. Hence the quotes of someone else trying to disprove the Certificate of Live Birth. As for the last part, people should at least give him as much time as President Bush to see if he is as bad or not.
11-21-2008, 02:42 PM
The source I use has nothing to do with the fact that there are actual court cases. What you posted is pure opinion.
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm
I'd say that website is about as legitimate as it gets.
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm
I'd say that website is about as legitimate as it gets.
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