[TheRealThing]

I have to say this though. We never send rounds at an enemy without knowing what is going on on the ground...

BUT, the guys on the ground were in constant communication with resources, not to mention the drones flying over which give a view of the ground so detailed that its hard to believe its real. We have sent aid in Afghan where the rules of engagement are nearly as right. Also, we had a tier one, which is Army Delta Force and SEAL Team Six who are the most skilled fighters on earth, in place that could've been inserted fairly easily. By ground or high altitude jump, they do it all the time.

It's just hard for me to believe we didn't send help because of a murky picture of what was happening. We've sent help to our people with MUCH less of an understanding of what's going on. Delta and DEVGRU are straight up killers and they hardly ever take any casualties, even against very well trained Al-Qaeda. In my opinion, they could have taken out the bad guys within 30 mins to an hour depending on ground conditions. But hell, we didn't even have to send them in! Remember me mentioning the CIA officers leading targets? They did that for aircraft, especially heavily armed and precise AC-130 Spectre gunships. They have 25mm rounds, a bigger cannon, and the a giant 105mm gun, all capable of taking out the targets on the ground that night.

All of this is why this just makes me sick. This same kind of hesitation has nearly killed and killed many of us, and why Marine SGT Dakota Meyer, a Kentuckian, was forced to do what he did to earn his Medal of Honor.

Don't leave people behind my ass....WE don't leave our people behind. Our government does.

Absolutely right. And from my perspective it looks like they weren't just left behind. Of course, they were left behind when Lt. Col Andrew Woods and his 16 man security team was ordered to rotate back to the states, leaving Ambassador Stevens and his team practically defenseless. But, once the attack was under way, with real time reports coming into the white house situation room, along with drone video, somebody decided to just cut the heros at Benghazi loose.

[TheRealThing]

Charles Woods personally met with President Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and concluded that they were not telling the truth about what happened in Benghazi. To say that Mr. Woods' opinion is based solely on a Fox News report is a lie. Furthermore, what kind of man would accept the word of a president who says that he needs an investigation that will take place after the election to answer a simple question about an event in which he was a central figure? Obama knows what he did or did not do that night.

Also, Mr. Woods' son was a 41 year old retired Navy Seal. Does anybody really believe that none of the people with whom he worked confided anything about what happened with his grief stricken father? That is just not how the real world works. Fox News is not the villain here.

That's two things we have to wait until after the election to find out. What happened in Benghazi and what Obama intended to give the Russians.

[WideRight05]

That's two things we have to wait until after the election to find out. What happened in Benghazi and what Obama intended to give the Russians.

:yikes: Hopefully he will be gone and we won't have to find out what his intention was.

[Granny Bear]

Absolutely right. And from my perspective it looks like they weren't just left behind. Of course, they were left behind when Lt. Col Andrew Woods and his 16 man security team was ordered to rotate back to the states, leaving Ambassador Stevens and his team practically defenseless. But, once the attack was under way, with real time reports coming into the white house situation room, along with drone video, somebody decided to just cut the heros at Benghazi loose.


That gives me chills everytime I read it. It's hard to wrap your head around anybody that is capable of doing that.

[TheRealThing]

FOX News is really carrying the torch on the matter. Pat Roberts ® Kansas, came on Gretta Van Susteren's show and really threw down the gauntlet. Challenging FOX to step up their efforts to expose the treachery of our government with regard to the Benghazi Scandal. Roberts is the longest serving senator who served in the marines. He said that he'd been contacted by thousands of irate ex and active service men that are totally ticked off about the cover up. Further, active service men are asking if put in harm's way themselves, would the country just give them up like it did Ambassador Stevens and the navy seals who tried to save him? He believes this is a major threat to military morale. John McCain ® Arizona, was there too saying he'd been contacted by a like number of service personel.

This isn't over yet, there may yet be hope that the matter will get the attention it so richly deserves.

[Granny Bear]

Can you imagine being in this position? You're placing your life in jeopardy, and don't feel like you can depend on Obama for support?

No wonder military morale is sinking.

[TheRealVille]

I wish you all had been so vocal over the 4000+ that died in Iraq. I hate that 4 died in Benghazi, but I way more pissed about the Iraq war deaths. But, I understand your thought train, Benghazi is political for you.

[TheRealVille]

I wish you all had been so vocal over the 4000+ that died in Iraq. I hate that 4 died in Benghazi, but I way more pissed about the Iraq war deaths. But, I understand your thought train, Benghazi is political for you.

but I am

[SKINNYPIG]

I wish you all had been so vocal over the 4000+ that died in Iraq. I hate that 4 died in Benghazi, but I way more pissed about the Iraq war deaths. But, I understand your thought train, Benghazi is political for you.

Something tells me that if this happened under a republican president, you would be spitting venom. Since it's Mr. Mesmerize, you're ignoring it.

Disclaimer...I don't claim to known this as a fact, it's just how I feel you would react, based on the level of your partisan hackness.

[Granny Bear]

I wish you all had been so vocal over the 4000+ that died in Iraq. I hate that 4 died in Benghazi, but I way more pissed about the Iraq war deaths. But, I understand your thought train, Benghazi is political for you.

That's a totally unfair statement to make.
You know why Benghazi is different.

[TheRealVille]

Something tells me that if this happened under a republican president, you would be spitting venom. Since it's Mr. Mesmerize, you're ignoring it.

Disclaimer...I don't claim to known this as a fact, it's just how I feel you would react, based on the level of your partisan hackness.

Absolutely not. But, I stay very pissed about all the kids getting killed over in that desert, especially Iraq, where we didn't need to be. I just find it odd that people on here go apeshit over the Benghazi incident, and hardly ever said a word about all the Iraq deaths.

[TheRealVille]

That's a totally unfair statement to make.
You know why Benghazi is different.

Why is it different? Are you saying that the 4000+ plus that were killed in an unwarranted war are somehow justified deaths? You don't have to answer the political question, I know the answer. I won't ask you to lie in public.

[SKINNYPIG]

Absolutely not. But, I stay very pissed about all the kids getting killed over in that desert, especially Iraq, where we didn't need to be. I just find it odd that people on here go apeshit over the Benghazi incident, and hardly ever said a word about all the Iraq deaths.

We can't all agree with what's going on "in that desert", but certainly we can agree no one has blatantly turned their back on them. We can't say the same about Benghazi, can we?

[Granny Bear]

Why is it different? Are you saying that the 4000+ plus that were killed in an unwarranted war are somehow justified deaths? You don't have to answer the political question, I know the answer. I won't ask you to lie in public.

I've asked that you not put words in my mouth before but it doesn't seem to make any difference to you. I'm sure you're betting on trying to really piss me off. Well, congrats!!

I will choose the questions I am to answer; not you. And I'm not telling any public lies. But then, according to you, you know the answer. You know all the answers, don't you RealVille? You also know why Benghazi is different yet you use the situation in a pitiful attempt to distract from the real issue at hand.

I'm not trying to get you to change your mind on anything. That's fairly impossible. But, until I see evidence to the contrary, my mind won't change either.

SKINNYPIG hit the nail fairly on the head.

[TheRealVille]

We can't all agree with what's going on "in that desert", but certainly we can agree no one has blatantly turned their back on them. We can't say the same about Benghazi, can we?

Yes, we can. Fox....the more you watch, the less you know.

WASHINGTON — Security officers from the C.I.A. played a pivotal role in combating militants who attacked the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on Sept. 11, deploying a rescue party from a secret base in the city, sending reinforcements from Tripoli, and organizing an armed Libyan military convoy to escort the surviving Americans to hastily chartered planes that whisked them out of the country, senior intelligence officials said Thursday.
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The account given by the senior officials, who did not want to be identified, provided the most detailed description to date of the C.I.A.’s role in Benghazi, a covert presence that appears to have been much more significant than publicly disclosed.

Within 25 minutes of being alerted to the attack against the diplomatic mission, half a dozen C.I.A. officers raced there from their base about a mile away, enlisting the help of a handful of Libyan militia fighters as they went. Arriving at the mission about 25 minutes after that, the C.I.A. officers joined State Department security agents in a futile search through heavy smoke and enemy fire for Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens before evacuating the mission’s personnel to the apparent safety of their base, which American officials have called an annex to the mission. Mr. Stevens was one of four Americans killed in the attack.

A four-hour lull in the fighting beginning shortly after midnight seemed to suggest that the worst was over. An unarmed military drone that the C.I.A. took control of to map possible escape routes relayed reassuring images to Tripoli and Washington. But just before dawn, and soon after a C.I.A.-led team of reinforcements, including two military commandos, arrived from Tripoli, a brief but deadly mortar attack surprised the Americans. Two of the C.IA. security officers who were defending the base from a rooftop were killed.

“The officers on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation on the night of 11 and 12 September as quickly and as effectively as possible,” one of the senior intelligence officials told reporters.

Thursday’s briefing for reporters was intended to refute reports, including one by Fox News last Friday, that the C.I.A.’s chain of command had blocked the officers on the ground from responding to the mission’s calls for help.

“There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of continuing investigations by the State Department and the F.B.I.

At a time when the circumstances surrounding the attack on the Benghazi compound have emerged as a major political issue, with Republicans criticizing the Obama administration’s handling of the episode, the senior official also sought to rebut reports that C.I.A. requests for support from the Pentagon that night had gone unheeded.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/world/...?ref=world

[TheRealVille]

WASHINGTON — CIA security officers in a Benghazi post responded within 25 minutes to a call for help from a nearby State Department compound after it came under attack Sept. 11, officials said Thursday, seeking to refute a Fox News report asserting that CIA managers ordered them to stay put.

In releasing a detailed timeline of CIA actions that night, senior intelligence officials have put aside long-standing concerns about revealing the extent of the agency's presence in Benghazi in order to push back against what officials say are baseless allegations that aid was withheld.

"At every level in the chain of command, from the senior officers in Libya to the most senior officials in Washington, everyone was fully engaged in trying to provide whatever help they could," a senior intelligence official said in a statement. "There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support."

Fox News asserted in a story last week that CIA managers had ordered agency security officers to "stand down" and remain in their own facility, known as the Annex, when the attack on the diplomatic compound began about 9:40 p.m. and that there was an hour delay before officers disobeyed orders and went to help repel the attack that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and State Department officer Sean Smith.

Among those who rushed to help was Tyrone Woods, a former Navy SEAL who was part of the CIA security team and who later died in the attacks.

The Fox story also asserted that the CIA "chain of command" refused to pass along requests from its officers for military aid and that special operations forces in nearby Sicily could have been sent to help but were not. Intelligence and Pentagon officials strenuously denied that Thursday.

They insisted there was no viable military option to disrupt what amounted to a series of sporadic attacks in a crowded city full of people sympathetic to the U.S. There were no armed drones in the region and airstrikes were not called for, officials said.

"Let's say we were able to get an aircraft there. Do you go in and start strafing a populated area without knowing where friend or foe is?" a senior Defense official asked. "If you did that, you could kill the very people you are trying to help."

A special operations team was sent to Naval Air Station Sigonella in Sicily, but the team arrived after the attack ended, said the senior Defense official, who would not be quoted by name discussing potentially classified information.

Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta learned of the attack shortly after it began, about 4:30 p.m Eastern time, Defense officials said, and discussed it in a previously scheduled meeting with the president. Obama ordered him to pursue whatever options were feasible, a Defense official said.

Panetta "ordered all appropriate forces to respond to the unfolding events in Benghazi, but the attack was over before those forces could be employed," Pentagon spokesman George Little said.

Shortly after 11 p.m. a surveillance drone had arrived from elsewhere in Libya — about an hour after it was requested, officials said. But the video feed was not seen by the president, contrary to some news reports. And the feed did not offer analysts a clear understanding of what was happening on the ground, officials said.

After the CIA team arrived at the compound, "over the next 25 minutes, team members approach the compound, attempt to secure heavy weapons [from Libyans], and make their way onto the compound itself in the face of enemy fire," the senior U.S. intelligence official said.

The senior intelligence official disclosed that the CIA also sent a second six-member team from Tripoli on a chartered plane to help repel the attack. The team included Glen Doherty, another former SEAL, who was later killed when attackers fired mortar rounds at the CIA Annex.

The team arrived around midnight but got bogged down at the airport. Ultimately, it learned that "the ambassador was almost certainly dead" and headed to the agency facility "to assist with the evacuation," the official said.

It arrived with Libyan support at the Annex at 5:15 a.m., just before mortar rounds began to strike. Woods and Doherty were killed as they fired on militants from the roof. The mortar attack lasted 11 minutes, the official said.

The drone overhead was not armed. Even if it had been, there were no viable targets, officials said.

"The officers on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation on the night of 11 and 12 September as quickly and as effectively as possible," the intelligence official said. "The security officers in particular were genuine heroes. They quickly tried to rally additional local support and heavier weapons, and when that could not be accomplished within minutes, they still moved in and put their own lives on the line to save their comrades."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/...8659.story

[TheRealVille]

I've asked that you not put words in my mouth before but it doesn't seem to make any difference to you. I'm sure you're betting on trying to really piss me off. Well, congrats!!

I will choose the questions I am to answer; not you. And I'm not telling any public lies. But then, according to you, you know the answer. You know all the answers, don't you RealVille? You also know why Benghazi is different yet you use the situation in a pitiful attempt to distract from the real issue at hand.

I'm not trying to get you to change your mind on anything. That's fairly impossible. But, until I see evidence to the contrary, my mind won't change either.

SKINNYPIG hit the nail fairly on the head.

Hopefully my previous two posts will help you to feel better about being so pissed at Obama.. Well.......unless it was all political. Look above, there's your evidence you were looking for. Some of the information is coming out now.

[TheRealThing]

Absolutely not. But, I stay very pissed about all the kids getting killed over in that desert, especially Iraq, where we didn't need to be. I just find it odd that people on here go apeshit over the Benghazi incident, and hardly ever said a word about all the Iraq deaths.

As usual you ride in and highjack the thread. This has nothing to do with Iraq and Afghanistan. The difference between Benghazi and the Iraq War is that our president didn't decide to just turn his back on Americans in distress, like Obama did to those unfortunate four in Benghazi. Didn't turn his back and then create a cover up just to protect his own political hide. I'm still mad about WWII deaths too, but we wouldn't be a free people without them. And not a one of those guys were cut loose, or left behind.

[TheRealThing]

Why is it different? Are you saying that the 4000+ plus that were killed in an unwarranted war are somehow justified deaths? You don't have to answer the political question, I know the answer. I won't ask you to lie in public.

LOL, you have to ask why it's different but you can still get yourself out there on the thin ice making pronouncements of grandeur about it.

[TheRealVille]

As usual you ride in and highjack the thread. This has nothing to do with Iraq and Afghanistan. The difference between Benghazi and the Iraq War is that our president didn't decide to just turn his back on Americans in distress, like Obama did to those unfortunate four in Benghazi. Didn't turn his back and then create a cover up just to protect his own political hide. I'm still mad about WWII deaths too, but we wouldn't be a free people without them. And not a one of those guys were cut loose, or left behind.

Read about the events in my above two posts. Nobody's back was turned on anybody. #45, #46.

BTW, it has everything to do with how you all reacted to Iraq,a war based on lies, different than Benghazi, with wrong details nonetheless.

[Granny Bear]

Hopefully my previous two posts will help you to feel better about being so pissed at Obama.. Well.......unless it was all political. Look above, there's your evidence you were looking for. Some of the information is coming out now.

I wasn't referring to being pissed at Obama. :please:


Yes, we can. Fox....the more you watch, the less you know.:lame:

No other network or website that I searched was carrying the interview at that time.


As usual you ride in and highjack the thread. This has nothing to do with Iraq and Afghanistan. The difference between Benghazi and the Iraq War is that our president didn't decide to just turn his back on Americans in distress, like Obama did to those unfortunate four in Benghazi. Didn't turn his back and then create a cover up just to protect his own political hide. I'm still mad about WWII deaths too, but we wouldn't be a free people without them. And not a one of those guys were cut loose, or left behind.

Bingo!!!!

[TheRealThing]

Read about the events in my above two posts. Nobody's back was turned on anybody. #45, #46.

BTW, it has everything to do with how you all reacted to Iraq,a war based on lies, different than Benghazi, with wrong details nonetheless.

I'm not saying you can't surf around and find this baloney. Heck administration officials are lying their heads off about it. Jay Carney actually had the nerve to get up and say that he never said that a spontaneous response to the video was the cause of all this. :igiveup: I heard him say it more than once. Yes they did turn their backs.

[Granny Bear]

Read about the events in my above two posts. Nobody's back was turned on anybody. #45, #46.

BTW, it has everything to do with how you all reacted to Iraq,a war based on lies, different than Benghazi, with wrong details nonetheless.

Can't say for sure, but you're probably correct. Nobody's back was turned, I'd say he sat right there and watched the whole murderous affair in real time....

Benghazi has gone far is reflecting the character of Obama.

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

Read about the events in my above two posts. Nobody's back was turned on anybody. #45, #46.

BTW, it has everything to do with how you all reacted to Iraq,a war based on lies, different than Benghazi, with wrong details nonetheless.

Last time I checked Generals don't get fired over nothing this is a cover up of epic proportions we can agree on iraq but quite frankly this is a whole different deal, we had Delta waiting to go they wouldnt cause civilian casualties and the ex-seals had targets lazed for an AC-130, which as far as air support goes is incredibly precise, fact of the matter i we knew the attack was coming. We did jack shit to stop it. And then we as people were fed a lie that it was about a video. You can't be naive enough to believe that to be the truth. Type Hillary Clinton On Benghazi attacks into google and read the articles especially the newer ones. We were lied to and the liberal media is doing there damnest to cover up

[Granny Bear]

^^
:Clap::Clap::Clap::Clap:

[TheRealThing]

Last time I checked Generals don't get fired over nothing this is a cover up of epic proportions we can agree on iraq but quite frankly this is a whole different deal, we had Delta waiting to go they wouldnt cause civilian casualties and the ex-seals had targets lazed for an AC-130, which as far as air support goes is incredibly precise, fact of the matter i we knew the attack was coming. We did jack shit to stop it. And then we as people were fed a lie that it was about a video. You can't be naive enough to believe that to be the truth. Type Hillary Clinton On Benghazi attacks into google and read the articles especially the newer ones. We were lied to and the liberal media is doing there damnest to cover up

Not only that, the Counterterrorism Security Group was never conviened and they are very upset about it. They were formed specifically to respond to this kind of thing. They are the ones who know specifics with regard to assets in the region and they are the ones who can best coordinate those assets to respond to the crisis. No CSG and no response, except for those ex seals who disobeyed orders to stand down in order to rescue the 30 folks who did get saved or they'd be dead too.

[TheRealVille]

:hilarious: Even when the timeline is coming out, and the telling of what happened, you all still politicize it.




BTW Granny, I knew who you were pissed at. I was referring to you being all pissed at Obama yesterday, ......unless it was just all political.
I can't speak for Obama, but of the two people you are pissed at, I can assure you with the utmost confidence, one don't give a rat's ass if you at pissed at him, or not.

:truestory:

[TheRealThing]

:hilarious: Even when the timeline is coming out, and the telling of what happened, you all still politicize it.




BTW Granny, I knew who you were pissed at. I was referring to you being all pissed at Obama yesterday, ......unless it was just all political.
I can't speak for Obama, but of the two people you are pissed at, I can assure you with the utmost confidence, one don't give a rat's ass if you at pissed at him, or not.

:truestory:

Have yourself a real good laugh while you're at it. They say laughing is like medicine. Speaking of which, America's cure is coming in 3 days. Tuesday morning, those still capable of lucid thought will get to vote. For Romney

[Granny Bear]

:hilarious: Even when the timeline is coming out, and the telling of what happened, you all still politicize it.




BTW Granny, I knew who you were pissed at. I was referring to you being all pissed at Obama yesterday, ......unless it was just all political.
I can't speak for Obama, but of the two people you are pissed at, I can assure you with the utmost confidence, one don't give a rat's ass if you at pissed at him, or not.

:truestory:

Thank you for clearing that up for me RealVille. I am SO relieved!!!
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[SKINNYPIG]

Say or believe what you want about this whole Benghazi mess. One thing is true. There were four Americans slaughtered within a seven hour time period, and the United States of America chose to do NOTHING to defend them in those seven hours. Our country fired zero bullets (other than by those in the fray). Our country stood by with NO retaliation, and is still standing by.

Politicized or not, this should infuriate every American. In my opinion, those wanting to un-politicize this are weak and are putting party over truth and the value of American lives.