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09-09-2009, 08:46 AM
look at all your other polls,central, belfry,breahitt, they are still ranked,with two loses,prob because of the teams they have played, they will all be there come playoff time....
09-09-2009, 09:12 AM
TheBrahmaBull Wrote:Kinda funny how Prestonsburg beats Breathitt by 1 point and they are ranked so high as compared to the Bobcats. They obviously are not that much better, if at all if you really study what happened in that game. If anything, Breathitt and Prestonsburg are one above the other. These rankings are meaningless and the people who put them together are clueless IMO. Go by what the popular sentiment is at the moment.Prestonsburg didn't move in the polls. They were 4th last week and are in the same spot this week. Prestonsburg is undefeated and Breathitt has lost twice in 3 games. You also have to think that the game was played at Breathitt, which usually gives a team around a 2-4 point advantage. Had this game been played at Prestonsburg, by those numbers, Prestonsburg would have won by 2-5 points. But that's neither here nor there. The fact is, Prestonsburg has beaten some quality opponents, Breathitt has not, which justifies them dropping in the rankings. Do I think they deserve to drop out, probably not, but I understand where WYMT is coming from. I don't understand, however, is that Sheldon Clark was ranked around the same spot in last weeks poll. If you have Breathitt drop out because they lose to 2 great teams, then SC must drop out based on the spot they were in in last weeks poll. They basically didn't move at all in the rankings after a loss. But, as crazy as the year has been, it still looks good to me.
09-09-2009, 09:43 AM
Yeah Breathitt and Belfry should both still be in the top 3. I mean they are 1-2 and these other teams that are undefeated dont deserve to be higher than them in the rankings. :ChairHit:Are you serious? Sure Breathitt and Belfry are good teams, and better than probably the majority of the mountain top 10. But do they deserve to be in the rankings as of this week in the year? No, and there 2 losses both might have been with a combined score less than 10, but you got to find a way to win the close games. I dont see why you people get so bent out of shape if your team isn't in this poll, it's still early in the season. Here in a couple of weeks when Breathitt and Belfry prove that they deserve to be on there they will be, and some other teams will show they were probably undeserving. IMO all the teams in the mountain top 10 deserved to be there at this moment and those who are not there do not.
How many of you believe that OU should still be ranked in the top 5 of the College rankings, even though other teams went out and got the job done?
How many of you believe that OU should still be ranked in the top 5 of the College rankings, even though other teams went out and got the job done?
09-09-2009, 10:16 AM
goBIGblue82 Wrote:Yeah Breathitt and Belfry should both still be in the top 3. I mean they are 1-2 and these other teams that are undefeated dont deserve to be higher than them in the rankings. :ChairHit:Are you serious? Sure Breathitt and Belfry are good teams, and better than probably the majority of the mountain top 10. But do they deserve to be in the rankings as of this week in the year? No, and there 2 losses both might have been with a combined score less than 10, but you got to find a way to win the close games. I dont see why you people get so bent out of shape if your team isn't in this poll, it's still early in the season. Here in a couple of weeks when Breathitt and Belfry prove that they deserve to be on there they will be, and some other teams will show they were probably undeserving. IMO all the teams in the mountain top 10 deserved to be there at this moment and those who are not there do not.Rankings based on W\L alone are not accurate. Breathitt was clearly better than SC and Prestonsburg in those games, but just did not take advantage of the many opportunities they had to put them away. It is not that Prestonsburg was that much better or SC was that much better. I agree that good teams "find a way" and until the Bobcats find a way to play sour quarters of descent football, they will remain average,
How many of you believe that OU should still be ranked in the top 5 of the College rankings, even though other teams went out and got the job done?
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09-09-2009, 10:21 AM
TheBrahmaBull Wrote:Rankings based on W\L alone are not accurate. Breathitt was clearly better than SC and Prestonsburg in those games, but just did not take advantage of the many opportunities they had to put them away. It is not that Prestonsburg was that much better or SC was that much better. I agree that good teams "find a way" and until the Bobcats find a way to play sour quarters of descent football, they will remain average,How can you say that Breathitt is a better team? Is it because Channing Fugate ran all over Prestonsburg in the first half, but got shut down in the 2nd half? Breathitt Co. lead 19-7 at the half. In the 2nd half, Prestonsburg outscored Breathitt 19-6. Prestonsburg won the game, had a more dominating half, and shut Fugate down after the 1st half, yet Breathitt Co. is obviously better than Prestonsburg? I don't get your logic here.
And just to show that I'm not biased towards Prestonsburg, Sheldon Clark held Fugate to 5 yards the whole game. Breathitt could get nothing going against the Cardinals. When you get shutout by a team, you have no reason to say the team that got shutout was the better team. Breathitt got shutout for a reason, and it wasn't because SC just lucked into it.
09-09-2009, 10:33 AM
TheBrahmaBull Wrote:Rankings based on W\L alone are not accurate. Breathitt was clearly better than SC and Prestonsburg in those games, but just did not take advantage of the many opportunities they had to put them away. It is not that Prestonsburg was that much better or SC was that much better. I agree that good teams "find a way" and until the Bobcats find a way to play sour quarters of descent football, they will remain average,
How can you say they were clearly better when they GOT BEAT?! Taking advantage of your opportunities is what makes a good football team, and they don't. They all had an "opportunity" to show up and play an entire 4 quarters of football, and obviously Breathitt hasn't been able to do that. They may never do it. Potential doesn't mean a darn thing until it is shown out on the football field and wins are produced. And for you to sit here and say that Breathitt was CLEARLY better then SC and Prestonsburg when they got beat is totally obsurd. Take off your blue colored glasses and stay a while.
09-09-2009, 10:35 AM
The Iceboxx Wrote:I agree with some of these ranking but come on???
who really thinks that Belfry and Breathitt arnt top 10 teams, do the WYMT people really believe that North Larual, Somerset, and Rockcasle could beat Breathitt??
North hasnt beat a team with multiple wins
Rockcastle is 1-1, and the team they beat "wayne co" is 0-3
Somerset also hasnt beaten a team with more than 1 win.
I believe that WYMT is putting these guys in the top 10 to boast ratings, all three are in the same area, far west for the mountains, and barely in coverage area.
Also Rockcastle's ONE loss was to Boyle County in DANVILLE. And Rockcastle still scored 3 times as many points as any of the other mountain teams have scored on them this season.
Belfry lost a game at home! Grant it, Ashland is a great team, but you can't lose home games and stay in the mountain top ten, THIS early in the season.
Breathitt, like Belfry has lost 2 games already. It might be hard to swallow, but they both have losing records this season. When Rockcastle started the season with a losing record and was in NOBODY'S top ten list, I didn't worry or complain because a lot of games are left to prove ourselves.
Will N.L, Rock, and Somerset be there when the season is over? Who knows? Probably not all three.
Do I think all three are in just because they are in the Western viewing area? No. It is an interesting point though.
09-09-2009, 10:56 AM
Breathitt hasn't beaten a team with any wins. Lost to a good Prestonsburg team on their home field. Lost to a sheldon Clark team who turned around and lost to a Lawrence County team who didn't win a game last year. Brian Milam, shame on you, Breathitt County without a doubt should be ranked #1 in the top ten even above that Bell County team. Shame Shame Shame. If they win or lose against Perry Central this week they should still be ranked #1 as the Commodores have such a rich football tradition and any close game with them should put you at #1.
09-09-2009, 04:44 PM
BCF4L Wrote:How can you say that Breathitt is a better team? Is it because Channing Fugate ran all over Prestonsburg in the first half, but got shut down in the 2nd half? Breathitt Co. lead 19-7 at the half. In the 2nd half, Prestonsburg outscored Breathitt 19-6. Prestonsburg won the game, had a more dominating half, and shut Fugate down after the 1st half, yet Breathitt Co. is obviously better than Prestonsburg? I don't get your logic here.
And just to show that I'm not biased towards Prestonsburg, Sheldon Clark held Fugate to 5 yards the whole game. Breathitt could get nothing going against the Cardinals. When you get shutout by a team, you have no reason to say the team that got shutout was the better team. Breathitt got shutout for a reason, and it wasn't because SC just lucked into it.
Completely agree, except when Breathitt played Sheldon Clark, from what I've been told, Fugate only had 2 carries and played only 5 downs.
09-09-2009, 04:52 PM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:Breathitt hasn't beaten a team with any wins. Lost to a good Prestonsburg team on their home field. Lost to a sheldon Clark team who turned around and lost to a Lawrence County team who didn't win a game last year. Brian Milam, shame on you, Breathitt County without a doubt should be ranked #1 in the top ten even above that Bell County team. Shame Shame Shame. If they win or lose against Perry Central this week they should still be ranked #1 as the Commodores have such a rich football tradition and any close game with them should put you at #1.
LOL. Now who is dias. Breathitt should be #1 no matter what. Well let's just tell KHSAA to just give them the trophy and call off the season because Breathitt is going to win it all no matter what. Yeah right. You prove yourself on the field man on man. they have proved that yes they are a very good ball club but even a very good ball club can get beat on any day. As far as them being ranked #1 no they do not deserve it. Maybe if there wasn't a game played on the field and done on paper then maybe. But there is always going to be the arguement of who is better or not but proof is in the pooding and the pooding says they didn't get it done on the field when it was time. So no Belfry or Brethitt deserves it, and yes some of the other teams that won do.
I do like the arguement about the competition they played but if you look at that then you can say neither one has really has beaten a team that has a good record at the present time besides Sheldon Clark and they have only played 2 games. So that isn't an arguement anymore. Sorry OrangenowBlue but as bad as you may hate it, your team deserves what they have earned and that being nothing. :devilflam
09-09-2009, 04:54 PM
TheBrahmaBull Wrote:Rankings based on W\L alone are not accurate. Breathitt was clearly better than SC and Prestonsburg in those games, but just did not take advantage of the many opportunities they had to put them away. It is not that Prestonsburg was that much better or SC was that much better. I agree that good teams "find a way" and until the Bobcats find a way to play sour quarters of descent football, they will remain average,
How was Breathitt County "clearly" the better team than Prestonsburg and Sheldon Clark when they lost both games? The games were lost back to back, so obviously the SC loss didn't wake Breathitt up. The Prestonsburg game was in Jackson for crying out loud. Looks to me like the Bobcats were a tad overrated. The Bobcats will be playing in Bowling Green, no doubt. But, come on, you can't still be that high on the Bobcats. That is just ridiculous. They have lost two games and won one. The Blackcats have won three and lost zero. That is what the poll boils down to.
I thought these two losses would quiet some of you Breathitt fans down, but it sure as heck didn't. How can one be so nieve?
How about this, someone give me some good clean defense on how Breathitt is better than Prestonsburg or Sheldon Clark. I doubt I get anything. :biggrin:
09-09-2009, 04:54 PM
Sorry but they didn't beat sheldon clark so oops:argue::moon:
09-09-2009, 05:03 PM
I like the poll for THIS WEEK. A poll posted after Week 3 doesn't mean anything come playoff time.
I also agree with everything BCF4L has said. Breathitt seems to be a little overrated to me as well, as MBAlum said. I'm not at all saying that Breathitt isn't an outstanding team, because I have said in other threads that no one better sleep on the Bobcats. But at the same time, two early losses has to put them behind a little bit and make people (other than Breathitt fans) start to question the dominance and greatness of this team. I don't question a bit that they will be in Bowling Green at seasons end, but I really think they have been just slightly overrated, and I mean slightly.
I also agree with everything BCF4L has said. Breathitt seems to be a little overrated to me as well, as MBAlum said. I'm not at all saying that Breathitt isn't an outstanding team, because I have said in other threads that no one better sleep on the Bobcats. But at the same time, two early losses has to put them behind a little bit and make people (other than Breathitt fans) start to question the dominance and greatness of this team. I don't question a bit that they will be in Bowling Green at seasons end, but I really think they have been just slightly overrated, and I mean slightly.
09-09-2009, 05:04 PM
looks good to me
09-09-2009, 06:04 PM
outdoorsman43 Wrote:I like the poll for THIS WEEK. A poll posted after Week 3 doesn't mean anything come playoff time.From what I have seen, this Breathitt team is having trouble putting four quarters of "good" football together. They are adjusting to a new DC and it will take time to work out the kinks, and the line, qb, and receivers need to be more consistent. They can turn it arounf and their schedule gets easier, so I think they will be able to work on timing patterns and such in the passing game. That will take the pressure off the run and the Bobcats will be in the running to make it to BG. Even though Breathitt has lost two games, they have out played both opponents and were in position to win, they just did not execute. I do not think that Breathitt is head and shoulders better than the rest of 3A in the mountains, but they have as much a chance of making it as anyone else.
I also agree with everything BCF4L has said. Breathitt seems to be a little overrated to me as well, as MBAlum said. I'm not at all saying that Breathitt isn't an outstanding team, because I have said in other threads that no one better sleep on the Bobcats. But at the same time, two early losses has to put them behind a little bit and make people (other than Breathitt fans) start to question the dominance and greatness of this team. I don't question a bit that they will be in Bowling Green at seasons end, but I really think they have been just slightly overrated, and I mean slightly.
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09-09-2009, 06:31 PM
TheBrahmaBull Wrote:From what I have seen, this Breathitt team is having trouble putting four quarters of "good" football together. They are adjusting to a new DC and it will take time to work out the kinks, and the line, qb, and receivers need to be more consistent. They can turn it arounf and their schedule gets easier, so I think they will be able to work on timing patterns and such in the passing game. That will take the pressure off the run and the Bobcats will be in the running to make it to BG. Even though Breathitt has lost two games, they have out played both opponents and were in position to win, they just did not execute. I do not think that Breathitt is head and shoulders better than the rest of 3A in the mountains, but they have as much a chance of making it as anyone else.
I agree with everything but the bolded statement. How can you outplay an opponent and lose? The Cardinals and Blackcats won because they had more heart and outplayed the Bobcats. They showed that they didn't have as much heart in those two games that they lost. They were outplayed, out-coached, and out-hearted in both of those games.
Like I said though, Breathitt should finish the regular without losing a game and be in great position to make it to Bowling Green and possibly win a state title.
09-09-2009, 09:49 PM
IMO Breathit was overrated and now have fell like a overrated/underachiving team they have been. This is a week by week poll.
09-09-2009, 11:27 PM
Roadrunner_24 Wrote:LOL. Now who is dias. Breathitt should be #1 no matter what. Well let's just tell KHSAA to just give them the trophy and call off the season because Breathitt is going to win it all no matter what. Yeah right. You prove yourself on the field man on man. they have proved that yes they are a very good ball club but even a very good ball club can get beat on any day. As far as them being ranked #1 no they do not deserve it. Maybe if there wasn't a game played on the field and done on paper then maybe. But there is always going to be the arguement of who is better or not but proof is in the pooding and the pooding says they didn't get it done on the field when it was time. So no Belfry or Brethitt deserves it, and yes some of the other teams that won do.
I do like the arguement about the competition they played but if you look at that then you can say neither one has really has beaten a team that has a good record at the present time besides Sheldon Clark and they have only played 2 games. So that isn't an arguement anymore. Sorry OrangenowBlue but as bad as you may hate it, your team deserves what they have earned and that being nothing. :devilflam
If I can understand what you posted, I believe that you think I was posting something supporting Breathitt County. You need to read my post again. A first grader could have understood my sarcastic post. Oh by the way, pooding is actually spelled pudding.
09-09-2009, 11:31 PM
Belfry and Breathitt will have a whole season to prove they belong in that category....I'm not suprised by Belfry's record, but Breathitt has been a lil suprising though they lost to two pretty good schools...i still think they'll be in the mix when it comes playoff time.
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