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I strongly disagree with this statement. Democrats love for welfare programs and redistribution of wealth is what got us into the economic mess in which we find ourselves. Welfare programs, including all sorts of wealth redistribution schemes in which liberal Democrats and Republicans have engaged since FDR's time is not the same as looking after our general welfare, as the founders of this country addressed in the Constitution.

Welfare programs are bankrupting this country and have robbed this generation and at least a few future generations of their right to pursue happiness and prosperity. The rate at which our federal government is compiling debt is unsustainable and eventually the young, working age people will be hit with the bill for their ancestors' greed.

Neither party has done a good job looking after the general welfare of Americans and we are barreling toward and economic collapse as a direct result.

Electing Romney may slow the inevitable depression that is lurking around the corner but far too few conservatives will be elected to Congress to make much of a difference. Furthermore, the American people are too stupid and too impatient to allow either party time to fix our broken government systems until there is no other choice.

In the next few years, there will be riots, but those riots will not be for the petty excuses of the recent past, they will be triggered by the hopelessness of a high unemployment rate, an extremely high inflation rate, and by food and gas shortages. Eventually, historians will place the blame for the coming collapse where it belongs - on an out of control federal government intent on spending far beyond its means, but human beings have shown time and again that they do not learn much from the mistakes of those who came before them. Liberals will eventually arise again and the destructive cycle will begin anew.

Obama is just a symptom of what is wrong with this country. Defeating him in November will be a step in the right direction, but it will be a baby step at best.


it just not welfare that's going to break us it's a lot of thing's

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

on defense we spend more than the next 20 country's total

that's why hoot also bring's up welfare all the time because

he know's if obama get's elected for a second term everything

will be on the table even military spending which could cause

him to lose his job

[Hoot Gibson]

I strongly disagree with this statement. Democrats love for welfare programs and redistribution of wealth is what got us into the economic mess in which we find ourselves. Welfare programs, including all sorts of wealth redistribution schemes in which liberal Democrats and Republicans have engaged since FDR's time is not the same as looking after our general welfare, as the founders of this country addressed in the Constitution.

Welfare programs are bankrupting this country and have robbed this generation and at least a few future generations of their right to pursue happiness and prosperity. The rate at which our federal government is compiling debt is unsustainable and eventually the young, working age people will be hit with the bill for their ancestors' greed.

Neither party has done a good job looking after the general welfare of Americans and we are barreling toward and economic collapse as a direct result.

Electing Romney may slow the inevitable depression that is lurking around the corner but far too few conservatives will be elected to Congress to make much of a difference. Furthermore, the American people are too stupid and too impatient to allow either party time to fix our broken government systems until there is no other choice.

In the next few years, there will be riots, but those riots will not be for the petty excuses of the recent past, they will be triggered by the hopelessness of a high unemployment rate, an extremely high inflation rate, and by food and gas shortages. Eventually, historians will place the blame for the coming collapse where it belongs - on an out of control federal government intent on spending far beyond its means, but human beings have shown time and again that they do not learn much from the mistakes of those who came before them. Liberals will eventually arise again and the destructive cycle will begin anew.

Obama is just a symptom of what is wrong with this country. Defeating him in November will be a step in the right direction, but it will be a baby step at best.


it just not welfare that's going to break us it's a lot of thing's

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

on defense we spend more than the next 20 country's total

that's why hoot also bring's up welfare all the time because

he know's if obama get's elected for a second term everything

will be on the table even military spending which could cause

him to lose his job

If you fancy yourself a mind reader, then you are delusional. I assume that my job will be in jeopardy no matter what the outcome of the election. If Obama wins, he will take it as a mandate to continue cutting our military capability. If he loses, I expect that he will do as much damage to the military as he can possibly do before he leaves office out of spite.

If you still work in the coal industry, you must be counting on drawing a government check after the election because Obama is just as much at war with the coal industry as he is with his own DoD. Probably more so. The government cupboard is just about bare, so I am not counting on a welfare check myself.

I don't support or oppose candidates based on what I think that they will do for me and I never have. If Obama is reelected, being out of work for a couple of extra months won't matter much anyway. I don't see an upside for anybody supporting a failure like Obama.

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If you fancy yourself a mind reader, then you are delusional. I assume that my job will be in jeopardy no matter what the outcome of the election. If Obama wins, he will take it as a mandate to continue cutting our military capability. If he loses, I expect that he will do as much damage to the military as he can possibly do before he leaves office out of spite.

If you still work in the coal industry, you must be counting on drawing a government check after the election because Obama is just as much at war with the coal industry as he is with his own DoD. Probably more so. The government cupboard is just about bare, so I am not counting on a welfare check myself.

I don't support or oppose candidates based on what I think that they will do for me and I never have. If Obama is reelected, being out of work for a couple of extra months won't matter much anyway. I don't see an upside for anybody supporting a failure like Obama

where has obama cut defense ?

who comes on here all the time and say's he has passed no budget ?

as for the coal industry NATURAL GAS

ANY MONEY THAT IS SPENT BY THE US GOVERNMENT MUST FIRST

COME THROUGH THE HOUSE

[Hoot Gibson]

If you fancy yourself a mind reader, then you are delusional. I assume that my job will be in jeopardy no matter what the outcome of the election. If Obama wins, he will take it as a mandate to continue cutting our military capability. If he loses, I expect that he will do as much damage to the military as he can possibly do before he leaves office out of spite.

If you still work in the coal industry, you must be counting on drawing a government check after the election because Obama is just as much at war with the coal industry as he is with his own DoD. Probably more so. The government cupboard is just about bare, so I am not counting on a welfare check myself.

I don't support or oppose candidates based on what I think that they will do for me and I never have. If Obama is reelected, being out of work for a couple of extra months won't matter much anyway. I don't see an upside for anybody supporting a failure like Obama

where has obama cut defense ?

who comes on here all the time and say's he has passed no budget ?

as for the coal industry NATURAL GAS

ANY MONEY THAT IS SPENT BY THE US GOVERNMENT MUST FIRST

COME THROUGH THE HOUSE

Why don't you learn how to post. Is it that difficult for you to learn to use the quote button?

If you don't believe that Obama is waging a war against coal, then you are beyond redemption. I have a hard time believing that you work in the coal industry and are ignorant of the actions that Obama's EPA has taken tighten the screws on the coal industry. If you are actually a coal miner, you owe it to yourself to become better informed on the subject.

As for Obama's cuts to defense programs...well it is hard to believe that anybody would still question Obama's resolve to slash defense spending after his 3-1/2 years in office. Democrats are playing a dangerous game of chicken with Republicans, and unless Republicans agree to renege on their pledge not to raise taxes an automatic cut of $500 billion to the defense budget will kick in early next year.

This is how Democrats manage to get tax increases through Congress. They hold programs like national defense hostage to force Republicans to "compromise" and agree to tax increases. Obama has a reverse Midas touch. Everything the man touches turns to crap.

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[COLOR="Blue"]Obama Unveiling Defense Strategy, Military Cuts

WASHINGTON — Looking beyond the wars he inherited, President Barack Obama on Thursday launched a reshaping and shrinking of the military. He vowed to preserve U.S. pre-eminence even as the Army and Marine Corps shed troops and the administration considers reducing its arsenal of nuclear weapons.

The changes won't come without risk, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said. But he called it acceptable and, because of budget restraints, inevitable.

In a presentation at the Pentagon, Obama said the U.S. is "turning a page" after having killed Osama bin Laden, withdrawn troops from Iraq and begun to wind down the war in Afghanistan. He outlined a vision for the future that some Republican lawmakers quickly dubbed wrong-headed.

"Our military will be leaner, but the world must know the United States is going to maintain our military superiority," Obama said with Panetta and the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman, Gen. Martin Dempsey, at his side.

In a presidential election year the strategy gives Obama a rhetorical tool to defend his Pentagon budget-cutting choices. Republican contenders for the White House already have attacked him on national security issues including missile defense, Iran and planned reductions in ground forces.

Obama unveiled the results of an eight-month defense strategy review that is intended to guide decisions on cutting hundreds of billions from planned Pentagon spending over the coming decade.
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[COLOR="Blue"][url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/us/politics/military-will-withstand-cuts-obama-says.html"[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/us/politics/military-will-withstand-cuts-obama-says.html#h[]]]Military Will Remain Strong With Cuts, Obama Tells Cadets[/url]

COLORADO SPRINGS — President Obama vowed on Wednesday to keep the military strong even as he winds down the wars of the last decade and takes the budget knife to Pentagon spending in an age of increasing government austerity.

Addressing the graduating cadets of the Air Force Academy, Mr. Obama said spending cuts were inevitable for the armed forces but he promised to guard against reductions that would compromise the nation’s security. Dismissing talk of national decline, he described an “American century” in which the United States would continue to flourish[/URL]
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[COLOR="Blue"]Obama Administration's Proposed Nuclear Weapons Cuts Attacked By House GOP

WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans on Wednesday vowed to block the Obama administration from sharply cutting the U.S. nuclear force, calling potential reductions of as much as 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons "reckless lunacy."

Pointing to the growing number of trouble spots, from Iran to Syria to Egypt, members of the House Armed Services Committee said any significant cuts would undermine the U.S. ability to deter aggression. The Associated Press reported on Tuesday that the administration is weighing several options for new reductions from the current treaty limit of 1,550 deployed strategic warheads.
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[COLOR="Blue"]Panetta warns against automatic defense cuts

Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta on Sunday said more than $500 billion in defense-related cuts scheduled to kick in early next year would be “disastrous” to national security and begged lawmakers to restore the money.

The cuts were included in last summer’s bipartisan debt and budget agreement that allowed the White House to raise the debt ceiling. Since then, congressional Republicans have led an effort to undo the Pentagon’s portion of the $1.2 trillion “sequestration” budget cuts that also target non-defense domestic programs.

“I think what both Republicans and Democrats need to do, and the leaders of both sides, is to recognize that if sequester takes place, it would be disastrous for our national defense and, very frankly, for a lot of very important domestic programs,” Mr. Panetta said on ABC’s “This Week” program that aired Sunday.

“They have a responsibility to come together and find the money necessary to detrigger sequester.”

Mr. Panetta said the Defense Department has been diligent in trimming costs to help the federal government shrink its ballooning deft and deficit.
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[TheRealVille]

Why don't you learn how to post. Is it that difficult for you to learn to use the quote button?

If you don't believe that Obama is waging a war against coal, then you are beyond redemption. I have a hard time believing that you work in the coal industry and are ignorant of the actions that Obama's EPA has taken tighten the screws on the coal industry. If you are actually a coal miner, you owe it to yourself to become better informed on the subject.

As for Obama's cuts to defense programs...well it is hard to believe that anybody would still question Obama's resolve to slash defense spending after his 3-1/2 years in office. Democrats are playing a dangerous game of chicken with Republicans, and unless Republicans agree to renege on their pledge not to raise taxes an automatic cut of $500 billion to the defense budget will kick in early next year.

This is how Democrats manage to get tax increases through Congress. They hold programs like national defense hostage to force Republicans to "compromise" and agree to tax increases. Obama has a reverse Midas touch. Everything the man touches turns to crap.

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West Virginia is on the radio begging for people that can strip coal to apply for coal jobs.

[Hoot Gibson]

West Virginia is on the radio begging for people that can strip coal to apply for coal jobs.

The state of West Virginia? Are they running short of mine inspectors? Sorry, but West Virginia has spoken about what they think of Obama's record on coal mining. 40 percent of Democrats would prefer seeing a convicted felon in the White House over Obama. I imagine that West Virginia Republicans feel much the same.

[vundy33]

If you fancy yourself a mind reader, then you are delusional. I assume that my job will be in jeopardy no matter what the outcome of the election. If Obama wins, he will take it as a mandate to continue cutting our military capability. If he loses, I expect that he will do as much damage to the military as he can possibly do before he leaves office out of spite.

If you still work in the coal industry, you must be counting on drawing a government check after the election because Obama is just as much at war with the coal industry as he is with his own DoD. Probably more so. The government cupboard is just about bare, so I am not counting on a welfare check myself.

I don't support or oppose candidates based on what I think that they will do for me and I never have. If Obama is reelected, being out of work for a couple of extra months won't matter much anyway. I don't see an upside for anybody supporting a failure like Obama

where has obama cut defense ?

who comes on here all the time and say's he has passed no budget ?

as for the coal industry NATURAL GAS

ANY MONEY THAT IS SPENT BY THE US GOVERNMENT MUST FIRST

COME THROUGH THE HOUSE

Seriously?! Lol, those were the biggest cuts of all!

Some spending needed to be cut to adjust to the troop level in Afghan, around the world, and size of our military overall since we're downsizing a bit. But not near as much that was finally agreed on...it's way to much, and definitely way, way to many battlefield cuts, which are cuts that directly or indirectly effect the battlespace

[Old School]

West Virginia is on the radio begging for people that can strip coal to apply for coal jobs.

Last year many coal companies conducted job fairs to find new employees, the problem companies were having was that most appalicants could not pass a drug test. I have talked to several HR managers and they all said the same thing, on average they had to interview six to eight peolpe before they could find one that could pass a drug test, then they had to find out if actually do the job.

Also you should realize that nearly 1,000 surface miners have lost their jobs or have been given notices this year in West Virginia and Kentucky.

[TheRealVille]

Last year many coal companies conducted job fairs to find new employees, the problem companies were having was that most appalicants could not pass a drug test. I have talked to several HR managers and they all said the same thing, on average they had to interview six to eight peolpe before they could find one that could pass a drug test, then they had to find out if actually do the job.

Also you should realize that nearly 1,000 surface miners have lost their jobs or have been given notices this year in West Virginia and Kentucky.

You might want to report that to the Logan radio station that airs the commercials every day on my way to, and from work, so that they can relay that to the coal companies that are hiring(paying for the air time).

[Old School]

You might want to report that to the Logan radio station that airs the commercials every day on my way to, and from work, so that they can relay that to the coal companies that are hiring(paying for the air time).

I'm sure they already know that since they have reported on the mine cut backs and closings.

[TheRealVille]

I'm sure they already know that since they have reported on the mine cut backs and closings.

West Virginia coal is hiring, or at least trying, in big numbers at present.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
Stricter rules on MSHA laws created that mess, and now WV coal companies are begging for help from people that can actually do the work.

One thing is for certain, KY coal companies are laying off by the hundreds right now, and the downturn isnt going to get any better this year.
It's very likely that another boom wont happen until atleast next year.

[Old School]

West Virginia coal is hiring, or at least trying, in big numbers at present.

Common sense will tell you that whenever you have to interview 6 to 8 applicants before you can find one to pass a drug test, you will be asking for several people to apply. BTW, these adds are for both surface and underground mining positions, not just surface jobs.

So far in 2012, Alpha has laid off at least 320 people in Ky. and Wva,, Patriot has laid off at least 250 in Wva. and rumored to be on the brink of bankruptcy, Arch laid off 117 in Ky., Sapphire Mine is closing in June and 163 jobs will be lost, Southern Coal laid off around 100 earlier this year.

[TheRealVille]

Common sense will tell you that whenever you have to interview 6 to 8 applicants before you can find one to pass a drug test, you will be asking for several people to apply. BTW, these adds are for both surface and underground mining positions, not just surface jobs.

So far in 2012, Alpha has laid off at least 320 people in Ky. and Wva,, Patriot has laid off at least 250 in Wva. and rumored to be on the brink of bankruptcy, Arch laid off 117 in Ky., Sapphire Mine is closing in June and 163 jobs will be lost, Southern Coal laid off around 100 earlier this year.

No, those ads are for surface, at least the ones on the Logan radio station. I work for Patriot at present.

[Old School]

No, those ads are for surface, at least the ones on the Logan radio station. I work for Patriot at present.

I know that the Logan station carries adds for both surface and underground miners, apparently we are not taking about the same ads.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Its no secret that the pill problem among miners is huge.
Fact is, if youve got a 20 guys underground, you can bet your ass that atleast one will be doped up.
However, mining is one of, if not the best paying job in eastern KY if your just a high school graduate or less. The only problem with that is, is how tough a job and how back breaking it is. How many 18-19 year old kids you know today that would sign up for that?
The times have changed.
Plus the MSHA laws are more or less a joke in a lot of circumstances, especially getting your card.
For example, since i have to go to job sites, i have to have my msha card to get on the property. To get that card, i had to go to a class about 7 or 8 years ago. That class consisted of two days full of crap that i dont even remember. Half the guys slept threw it.