[Mr.Kimball]

Kimball is out of line then, he is spreading lies. Respect just went way down for Kimball.

Ah man relax, If DW would just think back a few months we kind of had an on going joke going back and forth. It's all in fun. Sheesh, I figured surely that DW would remember the jabs we threw at each other on this subject.

There ain't nothing ever serious between me and DW, at least on my part anyways. I dont take anything he says seriously, and surely to goodness he takes nothing I say to heart. Good grief, I missed the old codger while he was away. It took a lot of the fun out of this stuff.

[DevilsWin]

Ah man relax, If DW would just think back a few months we kind of had an on going joke going back and forth. It's all in fun. Sheesh, I figured surely that DW would remember the jabs we threw at each other on this subject.

There ain't nothing ever serious between me and DW, at least on my part anyways. I dont take anything he says seriously, and surely to goodness he takes nothing I say to heart. Good grief, I missed the old codger while he was away. It took a lot of the fun out of this stuff.

hh:

I try to forget our conversations Kimball. But sometimes its hard to tell when your joking and when you have diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.:lmao:

[jetpilot]

Ah man relax, If DW would just think back a few months we kind of had an on going joke going back and forth. It's all in fun. Sheesh, I figured surely that DW would remember the jabs we threw at each other on this subject.

There ain't nothing ever serious between me and DW, at least on my part anyways. I dont take anything he says seriously, and surely to goodness he takes nothing I say to heart. Good grief, I missed the old codger while he was away. It took a lot of the fun out of this stuff.

I kinda enjoyed it.:biggrin:

[Mr.Kimball]

hh:

I try to forget our conversations Kimball. But sometimes its hard to tell when your joking and when you have diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.:lmao:

Now be honest and tell the real reason why you cant remember. May not be any grown on the plantation there at ASH LAND, but that sure has never stopped you from partaking now, has it? Hey, your the one that owned up to it all by your own free will to begin with. So dont get all sore at me!! Kinda got your own little version of NEVER NEVER LAND going on up there, ain't you?

I do have to admit, it has been a blast watching you go into orbit. Man you talk about a little fellar squirmin and going into panic mode. :yikes:

However, now that I have set the record straight you can go to the crapper and change them bloomers.:flush:

:biggrin:

[Mr.Kimball]

I kinda enjoyed it.:biggrin:

Actually JP, the little fellar was so torn up, I just felt sorry for him. You know, sort of a moral booster:biggrin:

[jetpilot]

Actually JP, the little fellar was so torn up, I just felt sorry for him. You know, sort of a moral booster:biggrin:

You definitely had him on TILT.:notworthy

[DevilsWin]

LOL You 2 need to get over yourselves. lol

[pagan]

Nixon actually was a pretty good president...he's the reason the dollar got strong again....opened up relations with China and USSR....ended the war in Vietnam.....started the EPA.....Reagan was pretty good.....Clinton gaves a huge surplus......i still think george washington is underrated b/c of lot of things he said holds water today..not to get involved in party politics

[launchpad4]

Obama! Oh wait I thought you said the best president at making monumental mistakes. my bad. This one is Easy Lincoln!! Kept the country together and made progressive movements towards equal rights. Granted he was killed before he could finish office and who knows if the 1960s Civil Rights Movement could have been the 1860s Civil Rights Bills. But Great pres and from the Commonwealth so that's always good.

[launchpad4]

Nixon actually was a pretty good president...he's the reason the dollar got strong again....opened up relations with China and USSR....ended the war in Vietnam.....started the EPA.....Reagan was pretty good.....Clinton gaves a huge surplus......i still think george washington is underrated b/c of lot of things he said holds water today..not to get involved in party politics

Originally there were no parties. The founding fathers saw the conflicts and disaster that parties would have on government so they sought to eliminate the party system. However Washington was the only pres not to be associated with a party. Great idea but Adams and Jefferson kinda killed the no party policy.

[TidesHoss32]

Nixon actually was a pretty good president...he's the reason the dollar got strong again....opened up relations with China and USSR....ended the war in Vietnam.....started the EPA.....Reagan was pretty good.....Clinton gaves a huge surplus......i still think george washington is underrated b/c of lot of things he said holds water today..not to get involved in party politics

:notworthy:Thumbs::notworthy

[pagan]

[/B]
Originally there were no parties. The founding fathers saw the conflicts and disaster that parties would have on government so they sought to eliminate the party system. However Washington was the only pres not to be associated with a party. Great idea but Adams and Jefferson kinda killed the no party policy.

yea i agree...Adams not as much...he kind of got forced into it when he started to have 'side' with people, and Jefferson was forcing his hand....but Jefferson and Hamilton really took it to the extreme....i think that's where Washington really saw how parties could be bad..when he's sec. of state and sec. of treasury were waging their own politcaly 'wars' against each other and using George's name...its funny how much insight Washington had and yet no one really listened to him when he was leaving office...:worthy:

[Hoot Gibson]

All time: Washington.

20th Century: Reagan.

Best of the rest: Jefferson, Polk, and Jackson.

Most overrated: Lincoln. Upwards of a half-million Americans died in a bloody civil war on Lincoln's watch. The only thing worse would have been losing the war. Every other developed nation in the Western world managed to eliminate slavery without resorting to civil wars, so why does Lincoln get credit for being a great president when he failed so miserably to avoid such a bloody war?

[launchpad4]

All time: Washington.

20th Century: Reagan.

Best of the rest: Jefferson, Polk, and Jackson.

Most overrated: Lincoln. Upwards of a half-million Americans died in a bloody civil war on Lincoln's watch. The only thing worse would have been losing the war. Every other developed nation in the Western world managed to eliminate slavery without resorting to civil wars, so why does Lincoln get credit for being a great president when he failed so miserably to avoid such a bloody war?

Uh, study some history from time to time. This couldn't be avoided because the south was almost completely an agricultural society. The large plantation owners in power knew the work was too hard for people to want to do it so they believed the only way to stay in control and make money was to keep slavery intact. That is why it was unavoidable. Slavery was an institution of the south not just something they thought ws a good idea.

[Hoot Gibson]

Uh, study some history from time to time. This couldn't be avoided because the south was almost completely an agricultural society. The large plantation owners in power knew the work was too hard for people to want to do it so they believed the only way to stay in control and make money was to keep slavery intact. That is why it was unavoidable. Slavery was an institution of the south not just something they thought ws a good idea.

Uh...I have studied my fair share of history but thank you for the suggestion. The northern states played a big role in slowing the development of the southern states by getting still import tariffs passed. Maybe the South's resentment of the North was too much to overcome by the time Lincoln took office and maybe he could not have averted the war. Either way, I do not believe serving president during a bloody civil war, which Lincoln mismanaged before finally putting Grant in charge, warrants ranking Lincoln high in the list of great presidents.

Many societies outlawed slavery that were heavily dependent on agriculture. The dawn of the Industrial Age and the invention of the cotton gin would have soon doomed the institution of slavery, just as it did in other countries around the world.

[Squid]

I'll take my top five in this order:

5) Clinton - Last President to understand that we actually need to pay for the things the government does for us. Ran (and served) as a Dem, but governed as a moderate conservative (fiscally speaking).
4) Lincoln - abolished slavery, when it was morally right, but unpopular.
3) JFK - stared into the barrel of a nuclear holocaust and didn't blink. Like Clinton, governed as a moderate conservative, even though he was a Dem.
2) Washington - led the defeat of the British, in unimaginable conditions, and declined the opportunity to put himself above what was best for our young country.
1) FDR - where to begin? As has been said before (in this thread) - it really isn't even close. And he did it from a wheelchair.

[catwoman]

How about truman. Israel gets back their homeland,,ended the war with the dropping of the bomb.

[catwoman]

gee mr kimball,,you sure have no right to preach to me about saying anything negative. come down off that high horse. after reading a bunch of your posts I sir was too hard on myself.

[DevilsWin]

Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize today.

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=catwoman]gee mr kimball,,you sure have no right to preach to me about saying anything negative. come down off that high horse. after reading a bunch of your posts I sir was too hard on myself.[/QUOTE

Whoa here now tiger, your the one who comes up with all those idiotic posts and looks makes theirselves look like the real ding bat, not me. Besides, I dont reckon I've done anything to you that I know of anyways to begin with. Perhaps you should just stay on the Lawrence Co. football threads and try to master them first before you come on here and run your mouth. I got news for you pal, you struggle mightily with those. Judging from your posts on those threads your in waaay over your head over here.

Hate to be a smart elleck, but you asked for that. Now, do you want to smart off about something else?

[Mr.Kimball]

Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize today.

Hey, that's the same thing they gave Al Gore too , aint it?:yikes:............:biggrin:

[congressman]

Anyone who thinks Lincoln was the best, has never read his debates with Stephen Douglas. He was opposed to equal rights for blacks... and made this clear! He didn't 'abolish slavery'. He waited towards the end of his career to 'abolish' it.. and only did so in the states he no longer controlled. It was pure propaganda. He was a horrible president who mismanaged the war, and history has romanticized him to the point that it makes me sick to my stomach.

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

[nky]

Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize today.

He must be the best president ever- just ask his PR department

[Truth]

Reagan

[TheRealVille]

Reagan

Not for me. He tried to break the union trade.

[Hoot Gibson]

Not for me. He tried to break the union trade.

Reagan fired air traffic controllers after warning them that their strike was illegal. He did his job by enforcing the law. I do not recall Reagan firing anybody engaged in a legal strike. Reagan was the best communicator who has been in the White House during my lifetime but unlike the current occupant, he was a man of his word. Millions of people in eastern Europe are free today because the Soviets understood that fact. It was too bad that the air traffic controllers decided that Reagan was bluffing.

[Squid]

Reagan fired air traffic controllers after warning them that their strike was illegal. He did his job by enforcing the law. I do not recall Reagan firing anybody engaged in a legal strike. Reagan was the best communicator who has been in the White House during my lifetime but unlike the current occupant, he was a man of his word. Millions of people in eastern Europe are free today because the Soviets understood that fact. It was too bad that the air traffic controllers decided that Reagan was bluffing.

Ah yes - the old meme that Reagan single handedly defeated the USSR, by virtue of his conservativism and magnetic personality. I don't suppose the prior 40 years of the cold war had any impact on the outcome, did it?

[Hoot Gibson]

Ah yes - the old meme that Reagan single handedly defeated the USSR, by virtue of his conservativism and magnetic personality. I don't suppose the prior 40 years of the cold war had any impact on the outcome, did it?

Of course it did but liberals like yourself just cannot seem to give Reagan any credit for pursuing the strategy that sealed the deal. While liberals in our own Congress publicly ridiculed Reagan's strategic defense initiative, the Soviets were taking it very seriously and finally realized that trying to compete with the US militarily was bankrupting their system.

Reagan was an outstanding leader and he was able to get bipartisan legislation through a Democratic Congress. Obama is having trouble getting legislation through a Congress despite the fact that Democrats command large majorities in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Reagan hired competent advisors whose judgment he trusted and he did not need months of deliberation to act upon their recommendations. Contrast that with Obama's indecision on the request for additional troops for Afghanistan for a war that he labeled as the "necessary" one. Great leaders make tough decisions and accept responsibility for them.

[Joe Friday]

Ah yes - the old meme that Reagan single handedly defeated the USSR, by virtue of his conservativism and magnetic personality. I don't suppose the prior 40 years of the cold war had any impact on the outcome, did it?

President Reagan also had a lot of help from his close friend, Maggie Thatcher, the Iron Lady of England. Ronald Reagan was a great president, and a great American !

[Squid]

President Reagan also had a lot of help from his close friend, Maggie Thatcher, the Iron Lady of England. Ronald Reagan was a great president, and a great American !

I agree with a lot of this, Joe. I would have put him at #6, just outside my top five.

His personal alliance with Thatcher, and the fact that they were practically in lock step on most issues made both countries that much stronger on the world stage. It was a case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.